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[Aaleel]

I might have considered buying the game if there was an opt out clause in Origin, but I'm not running a process monitor to watch it, shouldn't have to.

When all the ME3 hype and Origin backlash die down, there is nothing to guarantee we won't see the original version or Origin come back.

I don't see why it's needed for single player at all, and I don't understand why there is not opt out clause. So I'm just gonna take a pass this time.

Aside from TOR which is an MMO, which I've decided aren't for me. this will be the first Bioware game I don't buy and play.

[BaronIveagh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

There was a statement released and it was also shown and discussed a great deal within the threads of the BSN forums at the time. 

According to The Escapist, there was a statment released, and then more people were banned (both in single player and in forum).  It also seems have happened to several posters in this forum recently, on...hmm... this issue (ME3 and Origin), if the internet is to be belived. 

Issuing a statment that states you don't do something and then doing it again repetedly enough to get caught, again, strikes me as a bit odd, don't you think?

[Pupuppu]

Eurypterid wrote...

Pupuppu wrote...
At the moment it's the customer who is "suffering" by not having the chance to choose where to buy a specific game.

Not true in the case of ME3. You can buy it from many outlets, just not from Steam.

Wrong, I can buy a content delivery system with a build in shopping application that allows me to enter a key and provide me with a download. In some cases I can download said content delivery and shopping application bundled somewhere else, some places do not offer the download itself and just provide a key that one redeem in the third party shop.

[Stanley Woo]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Alright, thank you, although I have to ask, what is your role? I thought you were associated with the public relations process with ME3 as well?

My role is the same as it's always been: Priestly's sidekick, longtime community Moderator, forum rage target, advocate of responsible consumerism and good science, refugee form the 80's, and all-around Volus.

[Vendrium]

hmm

Modifié par Vendrium, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:13 .

[Yuoaman]

I would totally form the '80s with you Mr. Woo but I'm still restructuring the '30s.

[Eurypterid]

Pupuppu wrote...
Wrong, I can buy a content delivery system with a build in shopping application that allows me to enter a key and provide me with a download. In some cases I can download said content delivery and shopping application bundled somewhere else, some places do not offer the download itself and just provide a key that one redeem in the third party shop.

I have to be honest: I don't understand what you're saying here.

[BaronIveagh]

Stanley Woo wrote...
My role is the same as it's always been: Priestly's sidekick, longtime community Moderator, forum rage target, advocate of responsible consumerism and good science, refugee form the 80's, and all-around Volus.

Poor Stan here is a walking fire magnet so that the people you really want to yell at don't have to hear it.


Edit: reading Murdoch's recent rant, I wonder if he owns a percentage of EA?

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:17 .

[Chavez_Dice]

Eurypterid wrote...

Pupuppu wrote...
Wrong, I can buy a content delivery system with a build in shopping application that allows me to enter a key and provide me with a download. In some cases I can download said content delivery and shopping application bundled somewhere else, some places do not offer the download itself and just provide a key that one redeem in the third party shop.

I have to be honest: I don't understand what you're saying here.

I'm taking a wild guess: He's saying that regardless of where you buy it, the transaction is done through Origin because the product key (which basically is the product unit) is activated through Origin, so essentially finalizing the transaction of buying ME3 happens through Origin.

Modifié par Chavez_Dice, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:17 .

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Eurypterid wrote...

Pupuppu wrote...
At the moment it's the customer who is "suffering" by not having the chance to choose where to buy a specific game.

Not true in the case of ME3. You can buy it from many outlets, just not from Steam.

This topic is not about Steam not being support, it's about Origin being required.

[v0rt3x22]

I wonder if Origin was even worth it for EA / Bioware. You guys are getting flamed from all sides and it seems the focus has turned away from the actual game so close to launch - and I could see this happening in the future again and again and again for future products being released on the platform.

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:20 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Stanley Woo wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Alright, thank you, although I have to ask, what is your role? I thought you were associated with the public relations process with ME3 as well?

My role is the same as it's always been: Priestly's sidekick, longtime community Moderator, forum rage target, advocate of responsible consumerism and good science, refugee form the 80's, and all-around Volus.

I loled

Also because I caught what some of those things refer too

As for guy below him posting about using a modified Origin.exe, wouldn't work unless we are talking about having Origin independent of the game in operationate minus cross validation, it seems more likely the game will launch from Origin itself, which is a bit concerning especially if EA ever scraps the Origin client.

Unless of course we never have to update our offline Origin client, which would allow you to play indefinitely after registering it and running offline...I think.

[BaronIveagh]

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

This topic is not about Steam not being support, it's about Origin being required.

This is, sadly, the rub.  And sadly we all know that they're just pointlessly alienating thier fanbase, since this setup is unlikely to net them any sales.

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

As
for guy below him posting about using a modified Origin.exe, wouldn't
work unless we are talking about having Origin independent of the game
in operationate minus cross validation, it seems more likely the game
will launch from Origin itself, which is a bit concerning especially if
EA ever scraps the Origin client.

Unless of course we never have
to update our offline Origin client, which would allow you to play
indefinitely after registering it and running offline...I think.

You bring up two good concerns, but, again, altering the exe even if it's possible, is a violation of the DMCA.  You can go to jail for that.  (Not that this stops anyone, but...)

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:21 .

[CVert77]

Aaleel wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote..


9) Can I install Origin, install Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect 3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games.

Oh well, guess I won't be seeing how this series ends.

Same here. Assassins Creed killed off for me by Ubisofts DRM; Batman Arkham Asylam drove me to not buying  another Games for Windows Live game; and now Origin kills the ending of Mass Effect 3 for me.

It looks like i'll only be playing indie or GOG titles soon

[Dragoonlordz]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
My role is the same as it's always been: Priestly's sidekick, longtime community Moderator, forum rage target, advocate of responsible consumerism and good science, refugee form the 80's, and all-around Volus.

Poor Stan here is a walking fire magnet so that the people you really want ot yell at don't have to hear it.

I think that is true not just for Stanley. People are mostly upset about the delivery system, the distribution aspect which is handled by EA. However for most it is easier to come here and blame the developers of the game than target and talk to the ones with final say on the distribution. There is only so much Bioware have control over and this just is not one of those things. I have no issues at all with people complaining about the game to the creators of the game [Bioware] when in regards to gameplay elements and how the game was made. This makes sense to me and is valid. It seems dubious at best to then also target them by proxy for not having enough say on what the distributor who owns them decides about how to distribute the game itself.

[apixaez]

Ottemis wrote...

craigdolphin wrote...
I would grudgingly SETTLE for 'with Origin' provided the EULA/TOS does not allow EA to collect data without my ability to opt-out. Like the EULA, the privacy policy and TOS can be updated at any time so what they currently say is fairly pointless. I want to know that I can refuse future changes to those legal documents without compromising my ability to play the games I have paid money for already.

If you think that unreasonable then fine. Go ahead and agree to it yourself. I won't. And I won't lose a moments sleep over it.

You know, people saying this kind of crap should honestly gtfo if you ask me, because what a load of crock.
But sure, do your thing, just don't think that argumentation wins you any points, because it is absolutely rediculous.
By that reasoning you can question everything everywhere anytime, if you don't that just makes you inconsistent, which hurts the argumentation even more. It also makes you paranoid, which doesn't suggest anything positive either, does it. Negative, there's another one. I don't think I have to continue pointing out the obvious here.

I'm sometimes ashamed I share this country with people like this. Even if my roots aren't entirely here. Also it's "ridiculous".
Apparently and shockingly after the amount of time you spent in this thread and the other you still do not seem to get that people are rightfully mistrustful of what Origin and it's EULA stands for. Throwing YOUR information out there and possibly making money out of it, to 3rd parties. Whether I have X file or Y folder is not the issue at hand. You argueing "but X program or Y website can do it aswell! and you don't question that which makes you inconsistant and a hypocrite basicly!" is not valid as you have a choice in the matter. Choice being whether to visit a website or not or sign up to it or not. Choice to actually allow a program to collect data and ONLY the data we allow it to and not for example, like showcased as example in Germany, a file about your taxes.

Origin DOES NOT give you a choice at all and while it currently (apparently, hearsay) "plays nice" in it's own folder, it still says in the EULA they can change it whenever they deem necessary and thus resulting in unchecked datamining again without the option to block it.

So given the bad reputation it has gotten and how it has disrupted trust in both EA and Origin (not for the first time I might add, unrelatedly), it is understandable I'd say that people are mistrustful.

What you should be asking for yourself is:
A) Can I trust them?
Do I want to trust them?
C) Am I fine with not being given the option to what I share with the world (EA, 3rd parties)?

If you say yes to all 3, you're good to go. Privacy is a personal thing and please do not force your own view upon others about it. I don't come to your house either to tell you what rug you must put in the living room, do I now?

If you answer NO to one of those questions however, there is a problem.

Easy solution so everyone stops whining: Make opt-out an option, put in the EULA the information will not be shared with 3rd parties and you're good to go. Problem solved. But you know, that's me trying to be somewhat logical and trying to compromise.

Also healthy "paranoia" is nothing to be ashamed of. People taking things for granted are always the first ones to be abused, misled and so on. I suggest you adopt a more critical view of things.

Personally Origin is a dealbreaker for me, unfortunately. And until I see a more viable way of obtaining it (me3) in legal means I will do so. Console not included as I do not play on a console and because of my saves. Which is quite a shame because I look foward to continue Shepard's story and epicness and support a developer, however "deformed" they might be now by the company that bought them up as I always have in the last decade or more.

Sorry for the long reply, but I guess there was no other way to put it.

Modifié par apixaez, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:33 .

[Eurypterid]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

I'm taking a wild guess: He's saying that regardless of where you buy it, the transaction is done through Origin because the product key (which basically is the product unit) is activated through Origin, so essentially finalizing the transaction of buying ME3 happens through Origin.

Fair enough, I guess, but I see little difference between that and buying a game requiring Steam. Essentially, if you buy requiring Steam, you cannot complete the transaction without DLing, or activating, it through Steam.

The point I was making is, you can buy the game through various retail outlets and digital distributors, just not Steam.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

CVert77 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote..


9) Can I install Origin, install Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect 3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games.

Oh well, guess I won't be seeing how this series ends.

Same here. Assassins Creed killed off for me by Ubisofts DRM; Batman Arkham Asylam drove me to not buying  another Games for Windows Live game; and now Origin kills the ending of Mass Effect 3 for me.

It looks like i'll only be playing indie or GOG titles soon

Or buy a console...and plug it into your monitor's HDMI port (assuming your monitor isn't a pile), so you can still feel like PC gaming is alive and you are just using a gamepad

[BaronIveagh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I think that is true not just for Stanley. People are mostly upset about the delivery system, the distribution aspect which is handled by EA. However for most it is easier to come here and blame the developers of the game than target and talk to the ones with final say on the distribution. There is only so much Bioware have control over and this just is not one of those things. I have no issues at all with people complaining about the game to the creators of the game [Bioware] when in regards to gameplay elements and how the game was made. This makes sense to me and is valid. It seems dubious at best to then also target them by proxy for not having enough say on what the distributor who owns them decides about how to distribute the game itself.

The problem is that there are only a handful of things that EA listens to: dollars, lawyers, and bankers.  I'm aiming for the former by having cancelled my pre-order's for both PC and PS3 CE.

[vietkb2000]

wow...well there's always other ways to avoid origin. <^> o_O <^>

[Dragoonlordz]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I wonder if Origin was even worth it for EA / Bioware. You guys are getting flamed from all sides and it seems the focus has turned away from the actual game so close to launch - and I could see this happening in the future again and again and again for future products being released on the platform.

They do not have much of a choice in this matter, even if they managed to break away from EA, they would probably lose all rights to Mass Effect and Dragon Age in the process. That has been what generally happens in the past. This isn't even going into the fact EA pumped 300+ million into SWtor and if Bioware no longer supported that game I believe there is a risk EA may come knocking on the door asking for one hell of a bill or demandfor compensation..

[BaronIveagh]

vietkb2000 wrote...

wow...well there's always other ways to avoid origin. <^> o_O <^>

Yes: don't buy EA games.

[apixaez]

vietkb2000 wrote...

wow...well there's always other ways to avoid origin. <^> o_O <^>

Yes there is, but either not legal or a bannable offense in EA's book which results (if they find out) to get you banned from your account and cut off from your paid games.

[v0rt3x22]

I'd be more interested in what Bioware thinks about all of this - rather than EA.

Bioware is NOT EA. They belong to them - sure - but they are a developer studio working for a publisher and didn't come up with Origin.

I mean - things were nice and gloomy in the ME1+2 days - and now suddenly there's so much hate, which BioWare isn't really to blame for at all.

I wonder if Chris is sitting coming to work each day, scratching his head and thinking: "Ya know...I really feel sorry for our fanbase, they ddin't deserve this - and it if were up to me, I'd do things right and forget about Origin - but my hands are tide" :-P

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:30 .

[BaronIveagh]

apixaez wrote...

Yes there is, but either not legal or a bannable offense in EA's book which results (if they find out) to get you banned from your account and cut off from your paid games.

Which, I found out, is why there' a thing i nthe EULA prohibiting you from being a member of a class action suit.  Seems EA is getting ready to have to prove this one in front of a judge.