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[CVert77]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

CVert77 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote..


9) Can I install Origin, install Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect 3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games.

Oh well, guess I won't be seeing how this series ends.

Same here. Assassins Creed killed off for me by Ubisofts DRM; Batman Arkham Asylam drove me to not buying  another Games for Windows Live game; and now Origin kills the ending of Mass Effect 3 for me.

It looks like i'll only be playing indie or GOG titles soon

Or buy a console...and plug it into your monitor's HDMI port (assuming your monitor isn't a pile), so you can still feel like PC gaming is alive and you are just using a gamepad

Don't have the money to buy a console; Don't like gamepads. Oh well, no game for me

[Dragoonlordz]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I think that is true not just for Stanley. People are mostly upset about the delivery system, the distribution aspect which is handled by EA. However for most it is easier to come here and blame the developers of the game than target and talk to the ones with final say on the distribution. There is only so much Bioware have control over and this just is not one of those things. I have no issues at all with people complaining about the game to the creators of the game [Bioware] when in regards to gameplay elements and how the game was made. This makes sense to me and is valid. It seems dubious at best to then also target them by proxy for not having enough say on what the distributor who owns them decides about how to distribute the game itself.

The problem is that there are only a handful of things that EA listens to: dollars, lawyers, and bankers.  I'm aiming for the former by having cancelled my pre-order's for both PC and PS3 CE.

That is fair and quite within rights do do without any doubt as you know. It is also probably the only major thing you can do other than write off letters to EA. You never included Bioware in your list of what EA listens to which I found interesting but probably even though they do listen it doesn't mean they act on what they hear. It does however annoy me when see people ripping into someone who has no say on why they are getting ripped into in the first place. Not that you personally are doing so, but relates to me first post that this is based on and from which was reply to your original one.

[Aaleel]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Or buy a console...and plug it into your monitor's HDMI port (assuming your monitor isn't a pile), so you can still feel like PC gaming is alive and you are just using a gamepad

I have both consoles and I have have ME1 & ME2 on the Xbox from when I was building my current PC.  Yes I bought both games on two platforms along with DA:O so I could keep playing them while I built my new PC.  SO that should show just how much I'm against this in not buying this game.

Taking a stand on the PC is very hollow if I still give them the money on the console.

[Clive Howlitzer]

apixaez wrote...

vietkb2000 wrote...

wow...well there's always other ways to avoid origin. <^> o_O <^>

Yes there is, but either not legal or a bannable offense in EA's book which results (if they find out) to get you banned from your account and cut off from your paid games.

Thank god for the option of just flat out not buying their games!

[Chavez_Dice]

Eurypterid wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

I'm taking a wild guess: He's saying that regardless of where you buy it, the transaction is done through Origin because the product key (which basically is the product unit) is activated through Origin, so essentially finalizing the transaction of buying ME3 happens through Origin.

Fair enough, I guess, but I see little difference between that and buying a game requiring Steam. Essentially, if you buy requiring Steam, you cannot complete the transaction without DLing, or activating, it through Steam.

The point I was making is, you can buy the game through various retail outlets and digital distributors, just not Steam.

Technically, there isn't (except for important details that are irrelevant in my current plead). However, you should take into consideration that the customer's perspective of Steam differs greatly from the one they have on Origin. Assuming that the whole idea of Origin was to compete with Steam, Origin doesn't do a very fine job at being appealing when comparing it to Steam. There are a lot of things that the developers of Origin could have taken into consideration but chose not to, from community features to functionalities like integrated screenshotting and uploading to your personal cloud.

While I don't blame EA for not having these things listed as requirements in Origin's functional design, I do think that the customers have a solid point for trying to omit Origin. Their perspective shows two platforms, one crippled and one functioning well, yet the crippled one is seizing all interesting titles while the other has only one proprietary title because it came from the same studio. It's not hard to figure out why what should've been interest turned into discontent.

Having that said, I don't think staff from BioWare or EA can afford making that comparison.

Modifié par Chavez_Dice, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:37 .

[billy the squid]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I wonder if Origin was even worth it for EA / Bioware. You guys are getting flamed from all sides and it seems the focus has turned away from the actual game so close to launch - and I could see this happening in the future again and again and again for future products being released on the platform.

They do not have much of a choice in this matter, even if they managed to break away from EA, they would probably lose all rights to Mass Effect and Dragon Age in the process. That has been what generally happens in the past. This isn't even going into the fact EA pumped 300+ million into SWtor and if Bioware no longer supported that game I believe there is a risk EA may come knocking on the door asking for one hell of a bill or demandfor compensation..

It would depend if the terms of the acquisition stated that the IPs were to remain attatched to Bioware as a company, so if EA chose to sell it in the future then the value of the company would be significantly higher because it comes with the attatched IP rights, along with potential premesis etc.

Or what happens some times is the acquisition is entirely absorbed by the larger company and broken up, the studio essentially becoming subsumed in the company which takes all of the IP's and the studio name is kept for marketing and sale purposes. If sales are then made it would only be the IP sold.

I think Bioware would have been the former based on it's size, but I can't be sure without looking at the terms of the acquisition.

[kofelover]

Aaleel wrote...

I might have considered buying the game if there was an opt out clause in Origin, but I'm not running a process monitor to watch it, shouldn't have to.

When all the ME3 hype and Origin backlash die down, there is nothing to guarantee we won't see the original version or Origin come back.

I don't see why it's needed for single player at all, and I don't understand why there is not opt out clause. So I'm just gonna take a pass this time.

Aside from TOR which is an MMO, which I've decided aren't for me. this will be the first Bioware game I don't buy and play.

I cancelled my preorder thru Gamestop earlier this afternoon for the exact same reasons.  I'd like to buy it in the future if i can get a retail box without the Origin client as it now stands (or thru Steam). 

It's also the first non-mmo Bioware game i've passed on since the 90's as well, but, after DA2, I think preordering was a bit precipitous on my part anyway.  Best to just wait and see how all this pans out in the end.  I can't believe this will reach the degree of success they're hoping for, so maybe cooler heads will prevail down the line.  I can wait -- I have a huge backlog of games to keep me very, very busy.

Modifié par kofelover, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:37 .

[Dragoonlordz]

billy the squid wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I wonder if Origin was even worth it for EA / Bioware. You guys are getting flamed from all sides and it seems the focus has turned away from the actual game so close to launch - and I could see this happening in the future again and again and again for future products being released on the platform.

They do not have much of a choice in this matter, even if they managed to break away from EA, they would probably lose all rights to Mass Effect and Dragon Age in the process. That has been what generally happens in the past. This isn't even going into the fact EA pumped 300+ million into SWtor and if Bioware no longer supported that game I believe there is a risk EA may come knocking on the door asking for one hell of a bill or demandfor compensation..

It would depend if the terms of the acquisition stated that the IPs were to remain attatched to Bioware as a company, so if EA chose to sell it in the future then the value of the company would be significantly higher because it comes with the attatched IP rights, along with potential premesis etc.

Or what happens some times is the acquisition is entirely absorbed by the larger company and broken up, the studio essentially becoming subsumed in the company which takes all of the IP's and the studio name is kept for marketing and sale purposes. If sales are then made it would only be the IP sold.

I think Bioware would have been the former based on it's size, but I can't be sure without looking at the terms of the acquisition.

True and that I do not have access to for obvious reasons. I based my statement on that I hear quite often such happens.

[Rudy Lis]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Or buy a console...and plug it into your monitor's HDMI port (assuming your monitor isn't a pile), so you can still feel like PC gaming is alive and you are just using a gamepad

Some of us have issues with gamepads.


Now question to Bioware reps. Since my questions remains unanswered, I asking them again:
1. How bout fix that Origin's pseudo-offline mode?
2. How bout answering that DLC's national question? If there will be any regional issues with games purchased via Origin I better go and order western retail while I still can do that. Knowing how our Postal Service works from time to time - maybe I will receive it before you release any DLC.
Reminds me how I ordered a couple of Camelbak hydration backpacks for my friend and his fiancee. While our Postal service "processed" envelope, my friend and his fiancee: married, had their first kid and only then they got their backpacks. 11 months, EMS dammit!

[Massefeckt]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I think that is true not just for Stanley. People are mostly upset about the delivery system, the distribution aspect which is handled by EA. However for most it is easier to come here and blame the developers of the game than target and talk to the ones with final say on the distribution. There is only so much Bioware have control over and this just is not one of those things. I have no issues at all with people complaining about the game to the creators of the game [Bioware] when in regards to gameplay elements and how the game was made. This makes sense to me and is valid. It seems dubious at best to then also target them by proxy for not having enough say on what the distributor who owns them decides about how to distribute the game itself.

The problem with that is Bioware have insisted they are their own bosses and not controlled by EA. So either thats not true or they are fully behind Origin.

Eurypterid wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

I'm
taking a wild guess: He's saying that regardless of where you buy it,
the transaction is done through Origin because the product key (which
basically is the product unit) is activated through Origin, so
essentially finalizing the transaction of buying ME3 happens through
Origin.

Fair enough, I guess, but I see little difference
between that and buying a game requiring Steam. Essentially, if you buy
requiring Steam, you cannot complete the transaction without DLing, or
activating, it through Steam.

The point I was making is, you can buy the game through various retail outlets and digital distributors, just not Steam.

I think most people that are upset over it not being on Steam(if you take away Origin fear) is the services listed so far aren't known to be customer friendly and reliable. Steam on the other hand has a proven track record and is well liked.

I just wish they had waited till after ME3 I really want to play ME3 so feel railroaded if it had been after ME3 then I could have just not bothered but I've played the first two and want to complete the story. I can't help but feel that's exactly what EA are relying on.

[Eurypterid]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

While I don't blame EA for not having these things listed as requirements in Origin's functional design, I do think that the customers have a great point for trying to omit Origin. Their perspective shows two platforms, one crippled and one function well, yet the crippled one is seizing all interesting titles while the other has only one proprietary title because it came from the same studio. It's not hard to figure out why what should've been interest turned into discontent.

I won't argue with you there. I agree, although I do personally think EA plans to have Origin become as 'robust' as Steam in the future.

For the record, I'm also not buying ME3 due to the Origin requirement. Not out of any sense of paranoia about what info it collects, but on principle. Actually... strike that. I'm looking at Origin the same as I do Steam: I won't buy any games requiring it until it hits the $5 bargain bin. The requirement to use Steam or Origin vastly decreases my perceived value of a game, so I won't buy the game until it's heavily discounted.

[Chavez_Dice]

Rudy Lis wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Or buy a console...and plug it into your monitor's HDMI port (assuming your monitor isn't a pile), so you can still feel like PC gaming is alive and you are just using a gamepad

Some of us have issues with gamepads.

That, and importing savegames.

[Dragoonlordz]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Reminds me how I ordered a couple of Camelbak hydration backpacks for my friend and his fiancee. While our Postal service "processed" envelope, my friend and his fiancee: married, had their first kid and only then they got their backpacks. 11 months, EMS dammit!

The real kicker is it is probably only down the road in sorting local office all this time, so close yet failing to get up that one street or road.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Aaleel wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Or buy a console...and plug it into your monitor's HDMI port (assuming your monitor isn't a pile), so you can still feel like PC gaming is alive and you are just using a gamepad

I have both consoles and I have have ME1 & ME2 on the Xbox from when I was building my current PC.  Yes I bought both games on two platforms along with DA:O so I could keep playing them while I built my new PC.  SO that should show just how much I'm against this in not buying this game.

Taking a stand on the PC is very hollow if I still give them the money on the console.

True takes a lot of backbone to say outright no to EA/BIoware's questional practices with respect to Origin. You get a lot of my respect for that.

But that being said, even despite the cancer which is Origin, missing out on the conclusion of the series would suck. Personally I'd suggest buying it on console then pulling the plug on Bioware games indefinitely, because it still sends a message with poor PC sales, but you still get to eat your cake. And then you get to move on and experience other great games, broaden your horizon or what have you, since the market still has quite a large share of titles.

[Adugan]

Eurypterid wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

While I don't blame EA for not having these things listed as requirements in Origin's functional design, I do think that the customers have a great point for trying to omit Origin. Their perspective shows two platforms, one crippled and one function well, yet the crippled one is seizing all interesting titles while the other has only one proprietary title because it came from the same studio. It's not hard to figure out why what should've been interest turned into discontent.

I won't argue with you there. I agree, although I do personally think EA plans to have Origin become as 'robust' as Steam in the future.

For the record, I'm also not buying ME3 due to the Origin requirement. Not out of any sense of paranoia about what info it collects, but on principle. Actually... strike that. I'm looking at Origin the same as I do Steam: I won't buy any games requiring it until it hits the $5 bargain bin. The requirement to use Steam or Origin vastly decreases my perceived value of a game, so I won't buy the game until it's heavily discounted.

What I dont like with Steam or Origin is that they can ban you and you lose ALL games FOREVER. MP and SP. Saying something bad online on a forum or in a heated match can mean you lose hundreds of dollars worth of games as well as thousands of hours of playtime.

Origin itself has other issues that make it a no-go for me.

[Eurypterid]

Adugan wrote...

What I dont like with Steam or Origin is that they can ban you and you lose ALL games FOREVER. MP and SP. Saying something bad online on a forum or in a heated match can mean you lose hundreds of dollars worth of games as well as thousands of hours of playtime.

Origin itself has other issues that make it a no-go for me.

Part of the reason (and only a part) my perceived value of games requiring clients like Steam or Origin is so low.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Rudy Lis wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Or buy a console...and plug it into your monitor's HDMI port (assuming your monitor isn't a pile), so you can still feel like PC gaming is alive and you are just using a gamepad

Some of us have issues with gamepads.


Now question to Bioware reps. Since my questions remains unanswered, I asking them again:
1. How bout fix that Origin's pseudo-offline mode?
2. How bout answering that DLC's national question? If there will be any regional issues with games purchased via Origin I better go and order western retail while I still can do that. Knowing how our Postal Service works from time to time - maybe I will receive it before you release any DLC.
Reminds me how I ordered a couple of Camelbak hydration backpacks for my friend and his fiancee. While our Postal service "processed" envelope, my friend and his fiancee: married, had their first kid and only then they got their backpacks. 11 months, EMS dammit!

I think everyone missed the whole point of that post...the joke

"so you can still feel like PC gaming is alive"

Also fyi I am a PC gamer, but it is pretty much dead.

[tishyw]

A few questions for Chris if he would be so kind -

1. If I only wish to play the single-player game, will Origin need to be running in the background (a-la Steam)?
2. If Origin does need to be running in the background for the single-player game, will it require an internet connection, or can I play in off-line mode/turn my modem off?
3. If all I want to do is play the single-player game of ME, and not download DLC or patches, will I need to let Origin connect to the internet at any point after initial authentication?

I know the answers are probably yes, no and ??? respectively, but that's all forumite speculation, confirmation from the devs would be nice.

Thanks.

[apixaez]

Adugan wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

While I don't blame EA for not having these things listed as requirements in Origin's functional design, I do think that the customers have a great point for trying to omit Origin. Their perspective shows two platforms, one crippled and one function well, yet the crippled one is seizing all interesting titles while the other has only one proprietary title because it came from the same studio. It's not hard to figure out why what should've been interest turned into discontent.

I won't argue with you there. I agree, although I do personally think EA plans to have Origin become as 'robust' as Steam in the future.

For the record, I'm also not buying ME3 due to the Origin requirement. Not out of any sense of paranoia about what info it collects, but on principle. Actually... strike that. I'm looking at Origin the same as I do Steam: I won't buy any games requiring it until it hits the $5 bargain bin. The requirement to use Steam or Origin vastly decreases my perceived value of a game, so I won't buy the game until it's heavily discounted.

What I dont like with Steam or Origin is that they can ban you and you lose ALL games FOREVER. MP and SP. Saying something bad online on a forum or in a heated match can mean you lose hundreds of dollars worth of games as well as thousands of hours of playtime.

Origin itself has other issues that make it a no-go for me.

Afaik on steam, your steamforum and steam account itself aren't linked.
Banning only usually is a result of buying games through illegal means (this dude on steam is a friend of a friend and he is selling all new games for 5 dollar!) or a VAC-ban through cheating, which still doesn't ban you from all your games. To be fair you have to actually try a bit to be cut off completely from your games and in truth they're still quite flexible when you are .. I once made the mistake of trusting a friend of a friend to buy a steam game and it resulted in me being banned because the games were bought with a stolen credit card .. I still managed to get my account back after a few words with support without any damage done other than the "illegal" game I bought being removed.. Heaps of praise to them from me in all honesty.

Origin however banning people through swear filters and also cutting you off from your paid games in the process, whole different cake.

[billy the squid]

Adugan wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

While I don't blame EA for not having these things listed as requirements in Origin's functional design, I do think that the customers have a great point for trying to omit Origin. Their perspective shows two platforms, one crippled and one function well, yet the crippled one is seizing all interesting titles while the other has only one proprietary title because it came from the same studio. It's not hard to figure out why what should've been interest turned into discontent.

I won't argue with you there. I agree, although I do personally think EA plans to have Origin become as 'robust' as Steam in the future.

For the record, I'm also not buying ME3 due to the Origin requirement. Not out of any sense of paranoia about what info it collects, but on principle. Actually... strike that. I'm looking at Origin the same as I do Steam: I won't buy any games requiring it until it hits the $5 bargain bin. The requirement to use Steam or Origin vastly decreases my perceived value of a game, so I won't buy the game until it's heavily discounted.

What I dont like with Steam or Origin is that they can ban you and you lose ALL games FOREVER. MP and SP. Saying something bad online on a forum or in a heated match can mean you lose hundreds of dollars worth of games as well as thousands of hours of playtime.

Origin itself has other issues that make it a no-go for me.

I tend to buy the physical copies of the games as a way of covering my back, but the discounts Steam gives are very tempting. Although Steam's forums are seperate from your Steam account I believe, Origin's aren't, hence I steer clear of the EA forums.

[Sundance31us]

Adugan wrote...
What I dont like with Steam or Origin is that they can ban you and you lose ALL games FOREVER. MP and SP. Saying something bad online on a forum or in a heated match can mean you lose hundreds of dollars worth of games as well as thousands of hours of playtime.

It's not so different in the real world; saying the wrong thing at work or getting into fight can cost you your long standing job and benefits.

[Rudy Lis]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

That, and importing savegames.

Considering me having 5 different Shepards (just in case:)), including recent Insanity one, I think I'd survive another playthrough. If not for damned gamepads...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The real kicker is it is probably only down the road in sorting local office all this time, so close yet failing to get up that one street or road.

Nope. It wasn't there - local staff knows me and they'd notify me (as it happened when envelope finally arrive). It was somewhere between Custom warehouse, central and regional Postal sorties. Not sure - they had no idea. Like their reps told me:
- All I can tell - your envelope left Customs and arrived to our central warehouse... I had to hear it every week.

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

"so you can still feel like PC gaming is alive"

Also fyi I am a PC gamer, but it is pretty much dead.

Ow, another fellow zombie than?
*Stretching his arms like movie zombies*: Braaai... Wait, we gamers! Gaaaaames!

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:53 .

[Dragoonlordz]

PC gaming is very much alive, do not just count only the mainstream cross platform titles, but also include the hundreds of PC exclusive titles, indie ones as well. Someone pointed this out not long ago too. Lets not forget Razor says it's very much alive too including Valve and while not as high numbers as console versions when talking cross platform titles the numbers are still nothing to be ignored.

[Adugan]

billy the squid wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

While I don't blame EA for not having these things listed as requirements in Origin's functional design, I do think that the customers have a great point for trying to omit Origin. Their perspective shows two platforms, one crippled and one function well, yet the crippled one is seizing all interesting titles while the other has only one proprietary title because it came from the same studio. It's not hard to figure out why what should've been interest turned into discontent.

I won't argue with you there. I agree, although I do personally think EA plans to have Origin become as 'robust' as Steam in the future.

For the record, I'm also not buying ME3 due to the Origin requirement. Not out of any sense of paranoia about what info it collects, but on principle. Actually... strike that. I'm looking at Origin the same as I do Steam: I won't buy any games requiring it until it hits the $5 bargain bin. The requirement to use Steam or Origin vastly decreases my perceived value of a game, so I won't buy the game until it's heavily discounted.

What I dont like with Steam or Origin is that they can ban you and you lose ALL games FOREVER. MP and SP. Saying something bad online on a forum or in a heated match can mean you lose hundreds of dollars worth of games as well as thousands of hours of playtime.

Origin itself has other issues that make it a no-go for me.

I tend to buy the physical copies of the games as a way of covering my back, but the discounts Steam gives are very tempting. Although Steam's forums are seperate from your Steam account I believe, Origin's aren't, hence I steer clear of the EA forums.

This is an EA forum

Also, I tend to buy physical copies too. Although physical copies require online verification and have a one-time serial number that is linked to a single account. Stupid crap like that is why i hate the digitalization of the game industry.

[Massefeckt]

tishyw wrote...

A few questions for Chris if he would be so kind -

1. If I only wish to play the single-player game, will Origin need to be running in the background (a-la Steam)?
2. If Origin does need to be running in the background for the single-player game, will it require an internet connection, or can I play in off-line mode/turn my modem off?
3. If all I want to do is play the single-player game of ME, and not download DLC or patches, will I need to let Origin connect to the internet at any point after initial authentication?

I know the answers are probably yes, no and ??? respectively, but that's all forumite speculation, confirmation from the devs would be nice.

Thanks.

From his answers god knows how many pages back now so I can't quote them but

1 - Yes

2 - It has an offline mode

3 - I would have thought no but can't tell you 100%