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[Dragoonlordz]

tishyw wrote...

A few questions for Chris if he would be so kind -

1. If I only wish to play the single-player game, will Origin need to be running in the background (a-la Steam)?

2. If Origin does need to be running in the background for the single-player game, will it require an internet connection, or can I play in off-line mode/turn my modem off.

3. If all I want to do is play the single-player game of ME, and not download DLC or patches, will I need to let Origin connect to the internet at any point after initial authentication?

I know the answers are probably yes, no and ??? respectively, but that's all forumite speculation, confirmation from the devs would be nice.

Thanks.

1. Yes. This was answered earlier. ME3 requires Origin to play but does not require being online apart from the one time activation. If you unplug your internet cable fro example you can still play ME3 but Origin will be loaded at same time. 

2. You can play offline after activation. This was answered too, do not need to be connected to play but do need to activate one time online. 

3.  Probably not, if think about it this way the game does not know there is patches or updates if is not online to begin with after activation so won't download what it doesn't know exists. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:53 .

[Adugan]

Sundance31us wrote...

Adugan wrote...
What I dont like with Steam or Origin is that they can ban you and you lose ALL games FOREVER. MP and SP. Saying something bad online on a forum or in a heated match can mean you lose hundreds of dollars worth of games as well as thousands of hours of playtime.

It's not so different in the real world; saying the wrong thing at work or getting into fight can cost you your long standing job and benefits.

Sure, but being fired doesnt mean that the job takes back all your mortgage payments, purchases and your bank account balance that was earned from the job.

[Massefeckt]

Sundance31us wrote...

Adugan wrote...
What I dont like with Steam or Origin is that they can ban you and you lose ALL games FOREVER. MP and SP. Saying something bad online on a forum or in a heated match can mean you lose hundreds of dollars worth of games as well as thousands of hours of playtime.

It's not so different in the real world; saying the wrong thing at work or getting into fight can cost you your long standing job and benefits.

Your an employee at work, you're customer to Steam, Origin. One your being paid to provide a service the other you have paid for a service. Put it this way if you bought a pair of Nike trainers and then went on a forum to slag them off would you expect Nike to come round and take them back without giving you a refund.

[Dragoonlordz]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Or buy a console...and plug it into your monitor's HDMI port (assuming your monitor isn't a pile), so you can still feel like PC gaming is alive and you are just using a gamepad

Some of us have issues with gamepads.

That, and importing savegames.

From what I understand you can create and modify existing saves on the PC using Gibbed and then transfer to 360 via usb. For PS3 I do not know.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

PC gaming is very much alive, do not just count only the mainstream cross platform titles, but also include the hundreds of PC exclusive titles, indie ones as well. Someone pointed this out not long ago too. Lets not forget Razor says it's very much alive too including Valve and while not as high numbers as console versions when talking cross platform titles the numbers are still nothing to be ignored.

Not quoting me but still typing a direct response is a whole new level of QQ I've never even seen before.

But that being said, consoles also have an extremely large library of exclusive games (many of which I'd like to see with PC ports, even bad ones), and its mostly indie titles now that are PC exclusive, only out of cost, or the P2P/cash-shop genre. There are still blockbuster PC exclusives, but they are few, like bi-annually, and they are typically associated with terrible DRM (going to name Blizzard as they are one of the devs which comes to mind in this respect).

[Dragoonlordz]

Adugan wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

Adugan wrote...
What I dont like with Steam or Origin is that they can ban you and you lose ALL games FOREVER. MP and SP. Saying something bad online on a forum or in a heated match can mean you lose hundreds of dollars worth of games as well as thousands of hours of playtime.

It's not so different in the real world; saying the wrong thing at work or getting into fight can cost you your long standing job and benefits.

Sure, but being fired doesnt mean that the job takes back all your mortgage payments, purchases and your bank account balance that was earned from the job.

It can take back however your company car. This is where the whole business of licensed to play vs ownership comes into play. That is one aspect thats bit too tiresome and annoying to get into for my liking.

[BounceDK]

Ohh it's scanning my usb key now o.o

[billy the squid]

Adugan wrote...

This is an EA forum

Also, I tend to buy physical copies too. Although physical copies require online verification and have a one-time serial number that is linked to a single account. Stupid crap like that is why i hate the digitalization of the game industry.

The BSN is an EA forum, but the actual EA forum is notorious for some arbitrary bans. The mods here tend to be better and put up with more, even then it's usually a temp ban.

And although the physical copies doe have those caveats I can put up with those so long as they're not to invasive Steam's is okay and ME3's looks to be along similar lines. But if I have the physical copy I still have a game I can access even if I'm banned for some reason.

[Aaleel]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Or buy a console...and plug it into your monitor's HDMI port (assuming your monitor isn't a pile), so you can still feel like PC gaming is alive and you are just using a gamepad

I have both consoles and I have have ME1 & ME2 on the Xbox from when I was building my current PC.  Yes I bought both games on two platforms along with DA:O so I could keep playing them while I built my new PC.  SO that should show just how much I'm against this in not buying this game.

Taking a stand on the PC is very hollow if I still give them the money on the console.

True takes a lot of backbone to say outright no to EA/BIoware's questional practices with respect to Origin. You get a lot of my respect for that.

But that being said, even despite the cancer which is Origin, missing out on the conclusion of the series would suck. Personally I'd suggest buying it on console then pulling the plug on Bioware games indefinitely, because it still sends a message with poor PC sales, but you still get to eat your cake. And then you get to move on and experience other great games, broaden your horizon or what have you, since the market still has quite a large share of titles.

If I get to the point where I feel that I just can't go without finishing the story, my best friend plays on XBOX.  I'll just borrow his when he's done, if it's Summer or Fall oh well.

[Dragoonlordz]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

PC gaming is very much alive, do not just count only the mainstream cross platform titles, but also include the hundreds of PC exclusive titles, indie ones as well. Someone pointed this out not long ago too. Lets not forget Razor says it's very much alive too including Valve and while not as high numbers as console versions when talking cross platform titles the numbers are still nothing to be ignored.

Not quoting me but still typing a direct response is a whole new level of QQ I've never even seen before.

But that being said, consoles also have an extremely large library of exclusive games (many of which I'd like to see with PC ports, even bad ones), and its mostly indie titles now that are PC exclusive, only out of cost, or the P2P/cash-shop genre. There are still blockbuster PC exclusives, but they are few, like bi-annually, and they are typically associated with terrible DRM (going to name Blizzard as they are one of the devs which comes to mind in this respect).

I saw your post and thought I would type fast enough to not need to, it appears didn't work out way thought it would. Had nothing to do with QQ as you put it. I cannot deny consoles have 'fair' amount of exclusives but then it comes down to does those exclusives if say few dozen which sell 2 million each outweigh the hundreds of small and large PC ones that only sell 250k to 500k numbers. 

[Stanley Woo]

*sigh* Dragoonlordz and DRUNK_CANADIAN, can we get back on topic, please?

[theycallmeryan]

How are more people not pissed about this? We HAVE to boycott BioWare/EA until Mass Effect 3 is on Steam and Origin is NOT required.

[stephee]

I don't know if this question has been answered or not.
since the origin client is required for ME3, will the client need to be used in patching the game or will patches be available to manually download and install?
The reason i ask is because my internet download limit is not large and i'd like to have the option of downloading patches from sites which my ISP marks as unmetered.

[eyesofastorm]

theycallmeryan wrote...

How are more people not pissed about this? We HAVE to boycott BioWare/EA until Mass Effect 3 is on Steam and Origin is NOT required.

We don't need to boycott anything just yet.  How about we try just 10 minutes of reasonable consumer action first:

eyesofastorm wrote...

To anyone that REALLY wants to try to make a difference in this issue, I would direct you here:

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

https://www.bbb.org/...int/get-started

It wouldn't take but probably a few hundred or a thousand complaints filed in quick succession to get someone's attention. I think there are some legitimate arguments to made that Origin is detrimental to the industry, the competition, and the customers and gives entirely too much power to EA while leveraging Mass Effect 3 to force this on to customers. I'm waiting for a few more bits of information about Origin before I file my own complaints so that I might file them accurately and to the strongest effect. I would urge you to consider doing the same. The worst that could happen is nothing. At best, we get a few people REALLY investigating the legal ramifications of Origin and *maybe* get EA to give Origin a chance to earn it's way onto everyone's pcs rather than trying to force it on us. If you are interested to see what points I'll be bringing up in my complaints, PM me and I'll get back to you when I'm ready to file them.

[Chavez_Dice]

Eurypterid wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

While I don't blame EA for not having these things listed as requirements in Origin's functional design, I do think that the customers have a great point for trying to omit Origin. Their perspective shows two platforms, one crippled and one function well, yet the crippled one is seizing all interesting titles while the other has only one proprietary title because it came from the same studio. It's not hard to figure out why what should've been interest turned into discontent.

I won't argue with you there. I agree, although I do personally think EA plans to have Origin become as 'robust' as Steam in the future.

For the record, I'm also not buying ME3 due to the Origin requirement. Not out of any sense of paranoia about what info it collects, but on principle. Actually... strike that. I'm looking at Origin the same as I do Steam: I won't buy any games requiring it until it hits the $5 bargain bin. The requirement to use Steam or Origin vastly decreases my perceived value of a game, so I won't buy the game until it's heavily discounted.

While I understand a collection of $5,- games makes the damage considerably smaller when you end up getting booted off the system, I kind of have a personal question: What about Steam holiday sales? The mentioned price is very common during those periods. Is that when you strike? Or does your exception apply to physical copies only? Because I wonder if I should take your post as a small hint to Origin having sales like that too, and it makes me wonder if those prices will temporarily go retail as well. I could see Origin gaining users with that, given that its draconic policies have changed of course.

Also, I am disappointed in BioWare, though I am not sure if I should. For example, when the developers of Lineage 2 had to implement features that had nothing to do with the concept and were basically meant as balance for the upcoming MMO World of Warcraft, they simply quit NCSoft and started Blue Hole studios. I can safely say that their debut MMO will count a lot of ex L2 players because of this. While it would be silly to ask the BioWare developers to do the same, I do wonder how they stand in all this. Do they oppose or are they fine with the current situation?

[Rudy Lis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

2. You can play offline after activation. This was answered too, do not need to be connected to play but do need to activate one time online. 

You can. Only you cannot. First, Origin, unlike Steam, don't know "and stay offline" command. Or know, but do not obey. And, if it will crash (happens every 30-60 minutes in DA2 with me) - it will need to take a lea... To catch some breath online. Otherwise it refuse to rerun DA2. Maybe it's just me and my Origin, I don't know.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

PC gaming is very much alive, do not just count only the mainstream cross platform titles, but also include the hundreds of PC exclusive titles, indie ones as well. Someone pointed this out not long ago too. Lets not forget Razor says it's very much alive too including Valve and while not as high numbers as console versions when talking cross platform titles the numbers are still nothing to be ignored.

Plus, from what I see from here, PC gaming market either represented "Casual" gamers who, well, "casual" - like those Solitaire-alike games or "hardcore" ones, who really dig into games and sometime into modding them. Either way, both types are slightly different from console gamers I've seen (less hardcore, more casual, plus more "entertainment" involved). But maybe it's just because consoles are less popular here - they're expensive, their games even more expensive, plus different genres popular on different platforms. Hearts of Iron on console?
P.S. Sorry for possible mistakes, it seems my anti-allergic medicine finally kicks in.

[Dragoonlordz]

@Stanley

There isn't much I can say to those who have already made up their minds and are not here to ask question but instead make a statement of intent. Such like ~will be renting, have cancelled order, no origin or no sale even not until appears on steam. So those one's I tend to get sidetracked on.

I like to try to answer the ones which I have answer to because I have been reading this thread from the beginning and large portion of last one so seen answers to some of the questions that can be answered by those who wish to ask something rather than tell you, threaten or just vent.

I do think the ones demanding or asking for change prior to ME3's release are not going to get what it they hope for, they may have a 'chance' after but like already said EA is pushing Origin hard and I do not honestly think all the threats and actually actions from those who go through with it will change their mind. If they could prove they are still doing something illegal maybe but failing that unless there is an unrealistic drop in sales which for all intense and purpose right now is current at a pre-order rate of still over three times ME2s day one sales were for PC format and that's with 8 weeks to go. I am curious to see what end of this weeks numbers are but I do not expect massive change and that part is just my opinion.

[Dragoonlordz]

theycallmeryan wrote...

How are more people not pissed about this? We HAVE to boycott BioWare/EA until Mass Effect 3 is on Steam and Origin is NOT required.

I am not pissed about this.. But surely you mean't 'are' rather than not.

[theycallmeryan]

eyesofastorm wrote...

theycallmeryan wrote...

How are more people not pissed about this? We HAVE to boycott BioWare/EA until Mass Effect 3 is on Steam and Origin is NOT required.

We don't need to boycott anything just yet.  How about we try just 10 minutes of reasonable consumer action first:

eyesofastorm wrote...

To anyone that REALLY wants to try to make a difference in this issue, I would direct you here:

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

https://www.bbb.org/...int/get-started

It wouldn't take but probably a few hundred or a thousand complaints filed in quick succession to get someone's attention. I think there are some legitimate arguments to made that Origin is detrimental to the industry, the competition, and the customers and gives entirely too much power to EA while leveraging Mass Effect 3 to force this on to customers. I'm waiting for a few more bits of information about Origin before I file my own complaints so that I might file them accurately and to the strongest effect. I would urge you to consider doing the same. The worst that could happen is nothing. At best, we get a few people REALLY investigating the legal ramifications of Origin and *maybe* get EA to give Origin a chance to earn it's way onto everyone's pcs rather than trying to force it on us. If you are interested to see what points I'll be bringing up in my complaints, PM me and I'll get back to you when I'm ready to file them.

I think we'd be better off trying to email the head of EA and/or BioWare in rapid succession if we want them to change. We may be able to email the head of Valve, Gabe Newell, to try and get him to cut a deal with EA. Anyway, I honestly don't think complaining about our rights as a consumer will get them to remove Origin. That stuff usually takes a LONG time if they even choose to investigate.

[El Neebre]

The game needs to be on Steam, I don't have a problem with Origin being an alternative (like with other EA games such as the upcoming Reckoning) but it should NEVER be exclusive. Why cut off a huge portion of the PC user market? All because it's an AAA title and can be used to promote Origin forcefully.

Sad to say, I hate that I won't be able to play Mass Effect 3.

[Dragoonlordz]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

2. You can play offline after activation. This was answered too, do not need to be connected to play but do need to activate one time online. 

You can. Only you cannot. First, Origin, unlike Steam, don't know "and stay offline" command. Or know, but do not obey. And, if it will crash (happens every 30-60 minutes in DA2 with me) - it will need to take a lea... To catch some breath online. Otherwise it refuse to rerun DA2. Maybe it's just me and my Origin, I don't know.

I'm sorry to hear that, mine doesn't seem to have that problem and works even if I uplug my internet cable though.

[hreaper81]

I used to be a fan of Mass Effect but then I took an arrow to the... oh wait, wrong game.

Anyway, I'm one of those people who do not like Origin. I am not against competition. What I don't like is Origin trying to gain the numbers on Steam using brute force exclusives and saying we got ### people installing Origin therefore Origin is super.

Whether you buy it from Origin itself, physical copy or any online distribution alternatives, you still need Origin. You can't uninstall it too.

As Mr. Priestly have said at the start of the thread:
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9)Can I install Origin, install Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect 3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games.

10) If I have uninstalled Mass Effect 3 or Origin, do I need to reinstall Origin to reinstall Mass Effect 3?
You must have Origin installed to play Mass Effect 3. You would need to reinstall Origin and Mass Effect 3.
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Origin apparently is tied too deep to be removed from the game. So, if the game is to be on Steam, it must also be allowed to run Origin. Which I doubt will ever happen since Origin will be required for online multiplayer (whether you're playing multiplayer or not just like BF3).

Unless there's an alternative, I guess I wont be finishing Mass Effect after all.

Modifié par hreaper81, 18 janvier 2012 - 01:16 .

[tishyw]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

2. You can play offline after activation. This was answered too, do not need to be connected to play but do need to activate one time online. 

You can. Only you cannot. First, Origin, unlike Steam, don't know "and stay offline" command. Or know, but do not obey. And, if it will crash (happens every 30-60 minutes in DA2 with me) - it will need to take a lea... To catch some breath online. Otherwise it refuse to rerun DA2. Maybe it's just me and my Origin, I don't know.

You see, now that's why I'd like dev confirmation for these questions rather than other forumites opinions on what the devs are saying.

[Pupuppu]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

2. You can play offline after activation. This was answered too, do not need to be connected to play but do need to activate one time online. 

You can. Only you cannot. First, Origin, unlike Steam, don't know "and stay offline" command. Or know, but do not obey. And, if it will crash (happens every 30-60 minutes in DA2 with me) - it will need to take a lea... To catch some breath online. Otherwise it refuse to rerun DA2. Maybe it's just me and my Origin, I don't know.

I'm sorry to hear that, mine doesn't seem to have that problem and works even if I uplug my internet cable though.

So your Origin client stays offline until you tell him to go online? The one i took a look at does not really wants to remember what it's been told to do.

[eyesofastorm]

theycallmeryan wrote...

eyesofastorm wrote...

theycallmeryan wrote...

How are more people not pissed about this? We HAVE to boycott BioWare/EA until Mass Effect 3 is on Steam and Origin is NOT required.

We don't need to boycott anything just yet.  How about we try just 10 minutes of reasonable consumer action first:

eyesofastorm wrote...

To anyone that REALLY wants to try to make a difference in this issue, I would direct you here:

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

https://www.bbb.org/...int/get-started

It wouldn't take but probably a few hundred or a thousand complaints filed in quick succession to get someone's attention. I think there are some legitimate arguments to made that Origin is detrimental to the industry, the competition, and the customers and gives entirely too much power to EA while leveraging Mass Effect 3 to force this on to customers. I'm waiting for a few more bits of information about Origin before I file my own complaints so that I might file them accurately and to the strongest effect. I would urge you to consider doing the same. The worst that could happen is nothing. At best, we get a few people REALLY investigating the legal ramifications of Origin and *maybe* get EA to give Origin a chance to earn it's way onto everyone's pcs rather than trying to force it on us. If you are interested to see what points I'll be bringing up in my complaints, PM me and I'll get back to you when I'm ready to file them.

I think we'd be better off trying to email the head of EA and/or BioWare in rapid succession if we want them to change. We may be able to email the head of Valve, Gabe Newell, to try and get him to cut a deal with EA. Anyway, I honestly don't think complaining about our rights as a consumer will get them to remove Origin. That stuff usually takes a LONG time if they even choose to investigate.

No... if these things get bottled up inside the tiny realm of gaming they are easily brushed aside.  This needs to be taken through legitmate channels... shine a light on cockroaches and they run.