_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...
@Dragoonlordz
Howdy,
as I have followed the ME3 + Origin debates on this forum and It's numerous threads to a very very large extent and have noticed that you also seem to be quite interested in this topic, just contrary to me seem to be perfectly fine with it and it appears to me that you very often speak in it's defense, may I ask what your personal benefit from this additional piece of software is? Or even the other way round: wouldn't you prefer ME3 without Origin (i.e. also any other download client) as well? If not, then why? Are you possibly employed in a similar field of work? Weren't the options of obtaining patches/updates/DLC's good or easy enough?
Thanks in advance.
Wall of text incoming...The benefits is firstly talking to my friends who have the same client, some have Origin because bought retail copy from store of EA game and registered to Origin because their CD broke and Origin allows access to download free copy if register retail game. Steam has better chat features/functions but over time I think Origin will catch up.
Patches and updates I did not like having to search the web just 'incase' there may have been a new patch randomly. Clients inform you of updates available so I am not randomly guessing, but this also depends on the game as some tell you in game however some do not (
timing). Then there is ease of updates and patches too in that it is much easier to download the latest one if you missed any rather than looking around and trying to find which is the latest (
location). In that regard they were better or easier then having to search and figure out when and if patches and updates are ready compared to using a client which makes things easier to keep track of, locate and install.
I use Steam and Origin for those purposes. I have never bought a game on Steam because no I am not willing to wait half a year to buy games when I can buy them now at
only slightly above the price Steam will have them at when sales come around (ones I want not random junk Steam decides is worth biggest discount but specific games I have on my list to get for year). Origin is very expensive most of the time so I don't tend to buy much on there either. I think again this will change over time as Origin gets bigger and see more discounts (more than currently see).
Would I prefer without clients, maybe. but pissing against a wall won't bring the wall down. Even if I did not wish to use a client for ME3 I still have Steam being dropped on me with my retail copies anyways. I do not favor Steam anymore than I favor Origin they are doing the same job (for me) as someone who doesn't buy many game on the respective clients. I would also like going back to the days of cartridges but some stuff is not going to happen. DD business is BIG business this won't change are part of that is Steams fault for proving just how huge the amount of money can be made, I do not blame EA for wanting a piece of the pie.
EA will not back down just because you do not wish to use it, prove it is still doing something illegal specifically the client else you won't stop them and even if you did prove something like that in court and this does not include the EULA which they have already changed they could quite easily change it again the client this time and get through. There is not even close to the amount of people needed to even be considered a bother to EA right now about the client, the EULA was different because you had a legal case, as far as I know you do not as of yet have one against the software in the courts.
The prices is the downside to the clients (both of them) whether generally high price on Origin through out year with some exceptions or Steams faff about sales where the ones on sale during those two major periods are not the ones on my list of titles to get specifically and the discount on the ones I have wanted is never worth the wait for that reason.
Neither go around scanning or sending information about me that I consider offensive and too personal (you may not feel the same but thats your opinion and this is mine). Origin is less inconvenient than Steam on mine simply because I have never had the problems some people seem to have had and Steam takes longer to load and close down on my system, always has.
This part you will not like but is how I see it, privacy is a selfish (if not the most) selfish of principles (based on the simple principle of "me" and "my") I give it far less value when compared to what I consider more important principles which are not based on "me me me". Such as standing up against deforestation or for end to poverty in third world countries or finding cure for cancer even standing up against child abuse plus more (ones that do not revolve around just me and only me). I said you probably would not like this paragraph and that really makes no difference to me if like or don't. But this does not mean I devalue those who have different regard to this and haven't attacked anyone on it (though have given information if there is a very specific sentence in something they said which was not about privacy within the paragraph or post).
However I have never said people shouldn't fight for their privacy if that is their major principle they feel is currently on trial and have no objection if wish to try to get Opt In or Opt Out and generally havent responded directly to those [much] in fact even wished them luck as would do me no harm if they won. For this reason instead of telling people what they should or should not be doing (other than put blame where it should be instead and instead of picking the closest and easiest target), I have been trying to supply information. Information from my experience with all the major DD clients, information regarding watching all the answers could or have seen come up on the last thread and this one incase someone missed something already said. It is not really defence regarding what I have said above in this paragraph, it is forwarding information. The only defence really is when people place blame where I consider it doesn't belong and I have that right to say as such as much as they have the right to target someone.
The only client I do not actually like right now is the Ubisofts one because of bad experiences, I have had none with either Steam or Origin. There are pros to using Steam and there are some slight ones to Origin for same reason even if prices is not one of those. There are also downsides to both minor but nothing more than inconvenience. What you have to remember is EA is first and foremost a business however and in order to be greatly offended by something it has to do something that I find greatly offensive, currently that is not that case. I think those who wish for change prior to ME3 release date know they cannot get this at this stage, but they do stand chance dependant on sales which will be after released. Not a very high chance by any stretch of the imagination, but a chance is a chance.
I also look at long term which is to say whatever the slight inconvenience may be for clicking an extra button before playing a game, my lower regard for my own privacy which is not to say i have no regard. If Origin does indeed and this goes on nothing more than assumption make no mistake get to be a big player that rivals Steams it will yes create a two services war of prices and the ones who will benefit is the customer. I think Bioware should only be blamed for the quality of game they make and any disgruntled people even if valid reason if they feel their privacy needs to be defended in this situation should be really be blaming EA the distributer for sticking an additional peice of software alongside the game Bioware created aka "distributing" if offended.
Bet you wished you never asked now eh? 
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(why curious to know why BW are using a beta program in what could be a hit game for 2012 
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