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The benefits is firstly talking to my friends who have the same client, some have Origin because bought retail copy from store of EA game and registered to Origin because their CD broke and Origin allows access to download free copy if register retail game. Steam has better chat features/functions but over time I think Origin will catch up. [/quote]
The only way we can recieve this benefit is by buying from their store and registering a retail copy? I don't consider this a benefit. Most companies will cover you if you've lost your game or code. You just have to prove it. Origins doing it, is nothing revolutionary and I don't see how you can think so. Steam does this and way better. Yes the chat features and functions aren't the only thing that are not up to snuff. The entire program is pretty clunky. So it seems like the cons are outweighing the "pro's"
[quote]Patches and updates I did not like having to search the web just 'incase' there may have been a new patch randomly. Clients inform you of updates available so I am not randomly guessing, but this also depends on the game as some tell you in game however some do not (timing). Then there is ease of updates and patches too in that it is much easier to download the latest one if you missed any rather than looking around and trying to find which is the latest (location). In that regard they were not good or easy enough having to search and figure out when and if patches and updates are ready compared to using a client which makes things easier to keep track of, locate and install.[/quote]
So instead of searching the web you have to check Origins? Is that even a difference? Except now you use origins instead of google. Most games these days come with an INBUILT Updater anyways. So origins is being redundant in this aspect.
[quote]I use Steam and Origin for those purposes. I have never bought a game on Steam because no I am not willing to wait half a year to buy games when I can buy them now at only slightly above the price Steam will have them at when sales come around (ones I want not random junk Steam decides is worth biggest discount but specific games I have on my list to get for year). Origin is very expensive most of the time so I don't tend to buy much on there either.[/quote]
You must be joking with this point. I've seen Steam sell Games at 4.freaking 99 on on sale and it wasn't like a year later, it was like a couple of months. The deals on Steam are unreal and I can't believe you're complaining about them. I certainly can't get their deals at retail stores or Origin.
Yes Origin charges you the same retail price despite the whole shipping costs and production cost being void in digital sales.
[quote]Would I prefer without clients, maybe. but pissing against a wall won't bring the wall down. Even if I did not wish to use a client for ME3 I still have Steam being dropped on me with my retail copies anyways. I do not favor Steam anymore than I favor Origin they are doing the same job (for me) as someone who doesn't buy many game on the respective clients. I would also like going back to the days of cartridges but some stuff is not going to happen. [/quote]
Let me get this argument. I prefer no clients but because neyneerneyneyneer I'm going to defend origins? Please fill in the blanks.
Of course steam wouldn't be different for you if you aren't buying games. That's like if my grandma installed both programs and never used them. How valid can her opinion be? Catridgens are stupid, they don't hold as much as space as DVD's. There are realistic expectations and silly ones. going back to Cartridge is a silly one.
[quote]EA will not back down just because you do not wish to use it,[/quote]
They did with the spyware and with the Dead Space 2 thing I mentioned. I know its unlikely, but they do bend if we show some muscle.
[quote]prove it is still doing something illegal specifically the client else you won't stop them and even if you did prove something like that in court and this does not include the EULA which they have already changed they could quite easily change it again the client this time and get through. There is not even close to the amount of people needed to even be considered a bother to EA right now about the client, the EULA was different because you had a legal case, as far as I know you do not as of yet have one against the software in the courts.[/quote]
I think you're actually making a case again Origins in this paragraph. if so, congratulations.
[quote]The prices is the downside to the clients (both of them) whether generally high price on Origin through out year with some exceptions or Steams faff about sales where the ones on sale during those two major periods are not the ones on my list of titles to get specifically and the discount on the ones I have wanted is never worth the wait for that reason.[/quote]
I am not buying this. Steam deals are AMAZING, year round. Who would deny this? Plus earlier you just admitted you don't buy games, so how would you know?
[quote]Neither go around scanning or sending more information about me than I consider offensive and too personal (you may not feel the same but thats your opinion and this is mine). Origin is less inconvenient than Steam on mine simply because I have never had the problems some people seem to have had and Steam takes longer to load and close down on my system, always has. [/quote]
One client use to scan all over your computer, it changed now, and it can easily change back. Your arguments seem to be filled with a lot of "it's okay for me" "oh it doesn't bother me". Well good. That's fine, I'm not hearing any convincing arguments though. Anything I didn't give permission for Origin to scan is too personal FOR ME. If you are on the other side "oh I don't care what they scan, whoopdeedobe!" then that's great, don't try to belittle our side by saying it's "fear mongring"
[quote]This part you will not like but is how I see it, privacy is a selfish (if not the most) selfish of principles (based on the simple principle of "me" and "my") I give it far less value when compared to what I consider more important principles which are not based on "me me me". Such as standing up against/for deforestation or poverty in third world countries or cure for cancer even standing up against child abuseplus more (ones that do not revolve around just me and only me). I said you probably would not like this paragraph and that really makes no difference to me if like or don't. [/quote]
Yep. You were right. Privacy is my right. If you don't want your own privacy, you give it up. I do not want mine to be mandatorily taken away.
And privacy has absolutely nothing to do with all those other issues you listed. There is very little, IF ANY correlation between the two. If you want to defend this argument do so without throwing a bunch of hippy-go-lucky words at me.
[quote]However I have never said people shouldn't fight for their privacy if that is their major principle they feel is currently on trial and have no objection if wish to try to get Opt In or Opt Out and generally havent responded directly to those [much] in fact even wished them luck as would do me no harm if they won. For this reason instead of telling people what they should or should not be doing (other than put blame where it should be instead and instead of picking the closest and easiest target, I have been trying to supply information instead. Information from my experience with all the major clients, information regarding watching all the answers could or have seen come up on the last thread and this one incase someone missed something already said. It is not really defence regarding what I have said above in this paragraph, it is forwarding information. The only defence really is when people place blame where I consider it doesn't belong and I have that right to say as such as much as they have the right to target someone.[/quote]
This entire paragraph is white noise. I have no idea what you're trying to say. I know this could've been shorter.
[quote]The only client I do not actually like right now is the Ubisofts one because of bad experiences, I have had none with either Steam or Origin. There are pros to using Steam and there are some slight ones to Origin for same reason even if prices is not one of those. There are also downsides to both minor but nothing more than inconvience. What you have to remember is EA is first and foremost a business however and in order to be greatly offended by something it has to do something that I find greatly offensive, currently that is not that case. I think those who wish for change prior to ME3 release date know they cannot get this at this stage, but they do stand chance dependant on sales which will be after released. Not a very high chance by any stretch of the imagination, but a chance is a chance. [/quote]
Yet to hear why origins should be mandatory.
[quote]I also look at long term which is to say whatever the slight inconvenience may be for clicking an extra button before playing a game, my lower regard for my own privacy which is not to say i have no regard. If Origin does indeed and this goes on nothing more than assumption make no mistake get to be a big player that rivals Steams it will yes create a two services war of prices and the ones who will benefit is the customer. I think Bioware should only be blamed for the quality of game they make and any disgruntled people even if valid reason if they feel their privacy needs to be defended in this situation should be really be blaming EA the distributer for sticking an additional peice of software alongside the game Bioware created aka "distributing" if offended.
Bet you wished you never asked now eh?
[/quote]We already have multiple services in the digital distrubtion business. If EA dictates who they can sell their games than that only hurts the consumer. Since that's getting rid of comptetion.
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