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[Ottemis]

hmm edited. Sorry mr mod, missed you intervening.

Modifié par Ottemis, 18 janvier 2012 - 04:48 .

[Rudy Lis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Genuine question, just curiosity. If your version can be gotten to work like demonstrated by me and I think one other person mentioned worked for them too (not sure who was) will you be buying ME3. Or was you going to be buying to begin with?

I don't know will you react, but I was going to buy it regardless how Origin was, is or will be going to work, until it work. I pre-ordered ME3 CE via Origin months ago and I pretty damn detemined to see it's arrival (not to mess with Arrival DLC, already had it:)) and plan to experience ME3 personally, regardless how crappy it could be (yeah-yeah, DA2, I don't like it so far). More than that - I don't even give a damn if they made some "regional restriction" (like hated bethesda/1C-Cenega/whoever is there, who limit their selection on certain region) and I won't be able to experience DLC - I simply order retail from West, if I like ME3 same way I liked ME1 and ME2. If not, well, DA2 happens.
Like I said, digital distribution is "Sphere of invulnarability" for me, comparing it with local retail (especially those "fully localized" games) here and ordering retail boxes from West. Or East - who know how they deliver it here:).
However, I will consider any further purchases based on my experience with ME3. If I like it - I'll consider them. If not - well, it's easy to guess. And this line is not threat!

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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Same reason you need Steam on for [pick game]. They're trying to promote their client.

Steam and bethesda? What kind of promotion we talking about? Especially if I mention that I cannot buy any of bethesda stock here.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 18 janvier 2012 - 04:51 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Alex06 wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

No. Every PC copy of ME3 will require Origin to be installed in order to run. If you uninstall Origin, your game will not run until such time as you reinstall it.

Ok, but why implement this measure? I don't understand why it's necessary. I'm sure ME3 can run fine without Origin in the background, especially in single player and without any internet connection. So why force players to have Origin run in the background?

I think you are correct with the part about can probably run fine without it. In that ME3 I doubt the game itself is vastly tied into the client (unless) the answer comes back to question someone else asked and I too am curious about with regards to ingame log in being removed and solely uses Origin client log in.

We haven't got answer about that, not sure how much effort would take to undo that link between the two coding wise if ME3 instead of logging ingame is indeed replaced with Origin version. If it turns out that there is or was no large link between the two and no replacement of logging inside the game by Origin then I think it comes simply down to EA issue where they wished to push the client. (As Eternal just mentioned)

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 janvier 2012 - 04:51 .

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

I wish EA would stop being mad at Valve and release ME3 on Steam. They'd get many more customers than if they used Origin.

[Eurypterid]

Alex06 wrote...
Ok, but why implement this measure? I don't understand why it's necessary. I'm sure ME3 can run fine without Origin in the background, especially in single player and without any internet connection. So why force players to have Origin run in the background?

No idea, but as noted above, it's similar to Steam in that regard. As I stated earlier, I'm not an employee of BioWare or EA, and this has vastly reduced my perceived value of the game so I'll not be buying it until it's heavily discounted.

[izmirtheastarach]

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

I wish EA would stop being mad at Valve and release ME3 on Steam. They'd get many more customers than if they used Origin.

Since they are requiring retail copies to use Origin, I suspect they would want copies of the game sold on Steam to also use Origin. Even I think that would be a little much.

[Alex06]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Alex06 wrote...

Ok, but why implement this measure? I don't understand why it's necessary. I'm sure ME3 can run fine without Origin in the background, especially in single player and without any internet connection. So why force players to have Origin run in the background?

Same reason you need Steam on for [pick game]. They're trying to promote their client.

Well, that's disappointing. I find it useless to do so. How is that promoting the client? I already know of its existence, so forcing it to use up RAM and bug me is pointless. It serves no additional purpose than to nag the customer. It's almost like we're suffering for those who are pirating. Even if it's not the case, it sure feels like giving up freedom for security. "Why do you worry? You got nothing to hide right?" No, actually, I do, and it's none of anyone's business, either. It's not like I'm pirating anything, either.

I don't like this one bit. And I still don't understand how forcing me to see the icon and have it use up my RAM serves as "advertisement" or "the promotion of an application to the user". I already know it's there, I installed it. How am I going to be more aware of its existence than that? Since when are the users untrustworthy and/or stupid?

Modifié par Alex06, 18 janvier 2012 - 04:58 .

[Rudy Lis]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

That guy was complaining about how to have ME3 running, you need Origin running. Well, to have certain games like Just Cause 2 (to name an old one) or a bunch of Bethesda games running, you must have Steam running I'm saying it's the same thing, that he's unnecessarily demonizing Origin here.

Many thanks for clarification.

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Alex06 wrote...

I already know of its existence, so forcing it to use up RAM and bug me is pointless.

RAM? Well, my Steam uses 25 056 KB, Origins use 74 432 KB. IE with this very page 59 596 KB.

Don't get me wrong, I understand your frustration regarding "useless software". But for current situation I see no other solution other than either total and complete ignorance of Origin and everything involved, or accepting it.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 18 janvier 2012 - 05:02 .

[AlanC9]

Alex06 wrote...

Well, that's disappointing. It's useless. How is that promoting the client? I already know of its existence, so forcing it to use up RAM and annoy me is pointless. It serves no additional purpose than to nag the customer. It's like we're suffering for those who are pirating.

I don't like this one bit. And I still don't understand how forcing me to see the icon and have it use up my RAM serves as "advertisement" or "the promotion of an application to the user". I already know it's there, I installed it. How am I going to be more aware of its existence than that?

Beats me. I don't know why Steam does it either

Does anyone remember what Valve told us when they forced Steam down our throats?

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 janvier 2012 - 05:00 .

[Alex06]

Eurypterid wrote...

Alex06 wrote...
Ok, but why implement this measure? I don't understand why it's necessary. I'm sure ME3 can run fine without Origin in the background, especially in single player and without any internet connection. So why force players to have Origin run in the background?

No idea, but as noted above, it's similar to Steam in that regard. As I stated earlier, I'm not an employee of BioWare or EA, and this has vastly reduced my perceived value of the game so I'll not be buying it until it's heavily discounted.

Well, thanks for the honest comment, at least. And it's ok, I don't having anything against you. I'm not hating on anyone.

I'm just trying to understand, and so far, I'm still holding my position against this concept of "necessary surveillance".

[Dragoonlordz]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Genuine question, just curiosity. If your version can be gotten to work like demonstrated by me and I think one other person mentioned worked for them too (not sure who was) will you be buying ME3. Or was you going to be buying to begin with?

However, I will consider any further purchases based on my experience with ME3. If I like it - I'll consider them. If not - well, it's easy to guess. And this line is not threat!

While it is true I am no fan of DA2, I too am pinning fair amount of hope on ME3.

Just really as a gauge about potential of quality of future titles. Some dissapointment with the direction the DA2 franchise headed, I am curious about the remaining franchise I care about stays as amazing as the first one and as good if not better than the second. I did not dislike ME2 though the story felt more forced and took away some of the fun ~plus planet scanning ~ but other than that I thought it was still good. 

I am sure our fears will not come to pass though, I honestly think they will have done the series proud on this one because being the end of the trilogy people expect the most.

[tishyw]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...

I wish EA would stop being mad at Valve and release ME3 on Steam. They'd get many more customers than if they used Origin.

Since they are requiring retail copies to use Origin, I suspect they would want copies of the game sold on Steam to also use Origin. Even I think that would be a little much.

I thought that as well, then I did so research on the Kingdoms of Am???? (however it's spelt), and the Steam version of that is the only one that doesn't require Origin authentication, it uses Steam authentication.

So it seems to me that Bioware allowed/were forced to let ME3 be itegrated into the Origin client far more than the devs of Kingdoms of Thingy.  Probably for multi-player, but that's just speculation.

[izmirtheastarach]

Alex06 wrote...

I'm just trying to understand, and so far, I'm still holding my position against this concept of "necessary surveillance".

Which still means that you are trusting what others have said, and basing your position on that. If Origin is doing something nefarious, we should all be able to see it. Until someone shows me something that I can duplicate myself, I'm not worried at all. Because Origin appears to just be sitting on my computer, not doing anything. It downloaded the Amalur demo and installled it, and hasn't been active since. Interestingly, it does not need to be running to run the demo.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 18 janvier 2012 - 05:02 .

[Mage One]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I respect your position and admire your determination. i also hold out the hope that some of those who choose not to buy due to Origin will have cause to change their minds, and that they remain within our community to keep talking to us.

You can like count me among those given the new information we've been given on what Origin being required means.  I dislike the idea of having to install a seperate piece of software to play a game I've purchased a physical copy of for no other reason than because the publisher deems it so.  Right now the back and forth between different game distribution software suites on the PC feels like an attempt to create the console wars on the PC, only instead of consoles we have restrictive sofware suites.  That's is not something I'm comfortable with, but I'm willing to compromise and deal with it.  What I'm not willing to deal with is having to install software (well, more accurately traitorware.  Despite how colored the term is, it's sadly the more accurate one, even though Origin makes your computer into a piece of traitorware as opposed to being traitorware itself.) that includes spyware on the assurance it will never be used as spyware and the distributor only has good intentions.  I hope I don't need to explain why any company's assurances in this regard will rarely ever reassuring.  If you have no intention to do this thing, do not build the capability to do so into your software and craft an EULA that states you can and will.

Either way, I'll stick around the community, most likely, if for no other reason then because I respect the ambition and ideas that Bioware frequently puts into their games enough that I'll keep tabs in the hopes things will be better for the next game, or maybe even that things will get better for ME3.  It's very possible I will find cause to change my mind, but that rests solely on you guys.  If Origin and its EULA gets reworked, I'm willing to take that as meeting me halfway.  There's literally nothing I can do on my end to change the situation, though, save ignore my principles.  As great as your games are, they're not great enough for me to do that, and similar to how my $80 might not make a big difference individually to you, I'm not exactly hurting for ways to spend my leisure time.  I have a backlog of games, movies and books I would like to get through and new ones coming out all the time.  Frankly, there's not enough time in my life to absorb all the media I know I would likely enjoy that I'm fortunate enough to have access to these days.  Then there are creative projects to finish, evenings to spend with my significant other and, really, you get the idea. You're not just competing for my money, you're competing for my time.  I'm willing to afford you a large chunk of both, but not on these terms.  There's are plenty of other things to do that don't ask me to overlook so much.

[Alex06]

AlanC9 wrote...

Alex06 wrote...

Well, that's disappointing. It's useless. How is that promoting the client? I already know of its existence, so forcing it to use up RAM and annoy me is pointless. It serves no additional purpose than to nag the customer. It's like we're suffering for those who are pirating.

I don't like this one bit. And I still don't understand how forcing me to see the icon and have it use up my RAM serves as "advertisement" or "the promotion of an application to the user". I already know it's there, I installed it. How am I going to be more aware of its existence than that?

Beats me. I don't know why Steam does it either

I don't really rely on Steam, either. I prefer to buy the games directly, to be fair, so I wasn't fully aware Steam does the same thing. In any case, it just doesn't feel right. I'm sure they could easily allow the user to disable it, but for some reason, don't want to. Is it because it's considered the same as using a no-cd crack? Is there some "law" or rule that requires every game to have some sort of first party or third party thing running while the game does?

Because games like StarCraft II and Red Alert 3 do not require such a thing. No disc is required in the drive for the game to run, there is no SecuROM, and there is no digital download client required to run in the game. You can just start up either of those games and play offline without logging into anything nor running anything else.

[izmirtheastarach]

tishyw wrote...

I thought that as well, then I did so research on the Kingdoms of Am???? (however it's spelt), and the Steam version of that is the only one that doesn't require Origin authentication, it uses Steam authentication.

So it seems to me that Bioware allowed/were forced to let ME3 be itegrated into the Origin client far more than the devs of Kingdoms of Thingy.  Probably for multi-player, but that's just speculation.

Amalur is not made by a studio that is owned outright by EA. So they have no say over that issue. ME3 is being sold on Direct2Drive right now. It makes no mention there, but I am certain those copies will require Origin as well.

[Alex06]

Mage One wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I respect your position and admire your determination. i also hold out the hope that some of those who choose not to buy due to Origin will have cause to change their minds, and that they remain within our community to keep talking to us.

You can like count me among those given the new information we've been given on what Origin being required means.  I dislike the idea of having to install a seperate piece of software to play a game I've purchased a physical copy of for no other reason than because the publisher deems it so.  Right now the back and forth between different game distribution software suites on the PC feels like an attempt to create the console wars on the PC, only instead of consoles we have restrictive sofware suites.  That's is not something I'm comfortable with, but I'm willing to compromise and deal with it.  What I'm not willing to deal with is having to install software (well, more accurately traitorware.  Despite how colored the term is, it's sadly the more accurate one, even though Origin makes your computer into a piece of traitorware as opposed to being traitorware itself.) that includes spyware on the assurance it will never be used as spyware and the distributor only has good intentions.  I hope I don't need to explain why any company's assurances in this regard will rarely ever reassuring.  If you have no intention to do this thing, do not build the capability to do so into your software and craft an EULA that states you can and will.

Either way, I'll stick around the community, most likely, if for no other reason then because I respect the ambition and ideas that Bioware frequently puts into their games enough that I'll keep tabs in the hopes things will be better for the next game, or maybe even that things will get better for ME3.  It's very possible I will find cause to change my mind, but that rests solely on you guys.  If Origin and its EULA gets reworked, I'm willing to take that as meeting me halfway.  There's literally nothing I can do on my end to change the situation, though, save ignore my principles.  As great as your games are, they're not great enough for me to do that, and similar to how my $80 might not make a big difference individually to you, I'm not exactly hurting for ways to spend my leisure time.  I have a backlog of games, movies and books I would like to get through and new ones coming out all the time.  Frankly, there's not enough time in my life to absorb all the media I know I would likely enjoy that I'm fortunate enough to have access to these days.  Then there are creative projects to finish, evenings to spend with my significant other and, really, you get the idea. You're not just competing for my money, you're competing for my time.  I'm willing to afford you a large chunk of both, but not on these terms.  There's are plenty of other things to do that don't ask me to overlook so much.

Well said, I completely agree with your viewpoint. In fact, I hold almost the same view on this subject. It's a shame the customer cannot be trusted, according to EA. I'm fairly certain BioWare is simply complying with EA's decision, and is not behind the idea itself of having Origin always run to play Mass Effect 3.

[Dragoonlordz]

AlanC9 wrote...

Alex06 wrote...

Well, that's disappointing. It's useless. How is that promoting the client? I already know of its existence, so forcing it to use up RAM and annoy me is pointless. It serves no additional purpose than to nag the customer. It's like we're suffering for those who are pirating.

I don't like this one bit. And I still don't understand how forcing me to see the icon and have it use up my RAM serves as "advertisement" or "the promotion of an application to the user". I already know it's there, I installed it. How am I going to be more aware of its existence than that?

Beats me. I don't know why Steam does it either

Does anyone remember what Valve told us when they forced Steam down our throats?

See to me it more understandable with EA > Bioware = Origin + ME3.
Than is for me regarding Valve > Bethesda = Steam + Skyrim.

Just beause EA owns Bioware and by proxy ME3.

I have nothing against Steam and Skyrim though just made less sense to me in comparrison. Steam is ok however and I especially like how it tells me how many hours played titles even if it thinks for god knows what reason that I completed apparently DE:HR in 5 hours played time... Still haven't figured where it pulled that magical number from.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 janvier 2012 - 05:08 .

[Dragoonlordz]

tishyw wrote...

I thought that as well, then I did so research on the Kingdoms of Am???? (however it's spelt), and the Steam version of that is the only one that doesn't require Origin authentication, it uses Steam authentication.

So it seems to me that Bioware allowed/were forced to let ME3 be itegrated into the Origin client far more than the devs of Kingdoms of Thingy.  Probably for multi-player, but that's just speculation.

 I am so glad I am not the only one who struggles to remember that part of the name. No matter how many times someone tells me it or I read it, I can never remember it.

[Gatt9]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Alex06 wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

No. Every PC copy of ME3 will require Origin to be installed in order to run. If you uninstall Origin, your game will not run until such time as you reinstall it.

Ok, but why implement this measure? I don't understand why it's necessary. I'm sure ME3 can run fine without Origin in the background, especially in single player and without any internet connection. So why force players to have Origin run in the background?

I think you are correct with the part about can probably run fine without it. In that ME3 I doubt the game itself is vastly tied into the client (unless) the answer comes back to question someone else asked and I too am curious about with regards to ingame log in being removed and solely uses Origin client log in.

We haven't got answer about that, not sure how much effort would take to undo that link between the two coding wise if ME3 instead of logging ingame is indeed replaced with Origin version. If it turns out that there is or was no large link between the two and no replacement of logging inside the game by Origin then I think it comes simply down to EA issue where they wished to push the client. (As Eternal just mentioned)

Of course it uses only the Origin login.  EA's boosting the "Origin user numbers" any way they can,  they'll replace Cerebrus with Origin.

As far as how much coding to remove the link from ME3 goes,  this is trivial.  A junior in college could do this with little trouble.  I'll bet money thew won't though.

Modifié par Gatt9, 18 janvier 2012 - 05:14 .