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[Rudy Lis]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I think so. I've sunk about 110 hours so far, and many many more to go.

Hmm, interesting.
Thanks again for your reply.

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

But we're digressing.

Not really. We calculating how much time we could possible spend on upcoming ME3 should we have no obstacles.

[StElmo]

Is there any third party applications we can run to stop Origin snooping? It's the principle, I hate the idea of companies mining my valuable data, they should have to f***ing pay for it.

[Adugan]

Why isnt ME3 available on Impulse? Gamestop owns Impulse and Gamestop can sell ME3.

[Rudy Lis]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

People have mentioned something called "sandboxing." Not sure what it is, though I intend to look it up.

According to IT guy from my work, sandbox have two meanings:
1. "Clean" PC, where only specific software installed, usually when that software is "suspect" or simply in testing period. Or PC was purposedly build for something specific. Practially like this PC I'm typing from. I didn't done that on purpose - my working software is barely compartible with Win 7 so far, so I'm waiting for update. All Origin can "datamine" it's something like Browning catalogue, although it'll be much easier to visit their site and download it from there.
2. Virtual machine - with similar purpose.

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Edit: @Rudy We should spend a LOT of time, considering all the variables and different endings.

Hell, yeah! My approximate calculations suggests that if me ME1 walkthrough took around 30 hours and I've done 5 of them (plus replays-reloads), plus around 20 hours per vanilla ME2... Well, I think I need to play a lot in Vegas to beat that!

[Bogsnot1]

A VM is basically "yo dawg, i heard you like computers so i put a computer inside your computer so you can compute while you compute". (Sorry, had to go there)

The VM software will set up a dedicated partition on your hard drive, closed off from the rest of the system, so nothing can escape. Inside that partition, you install and configure another Windows/Linux/OSX/BSD build with whatever software you want to use and run, without it affecting anything outside of that partition. Any spyware, malware, trojans or virii that infect tha partition cannot escape to your main system, thus making it the perfect environment for watching all that dodgy dwarf beard porn that all the kids seem to like these days.

So far, Ive had limited success running ME2 under a VM due to the way the VM handles the video processing, but I still tinker when I have the time to see if I can get it working. It is a lot of hard work to do it, but IMO a VM > Sandboxing.

Just had another think on it, and I think it works both ways. You could put all of your private data inside the VM, and Origin wont be able to touch it. You can run one VM for your private data, another VM for your dwarf beard porn, and leave the base system with only what you want Origin to see.

[Homebound]

so im running some polls to get a feel for what people think about origin. so far what ive seen isnt good. nobody wants origin but everybody is more than willing to bend over just so they can play games...

maybe i havent tapped into a big enough pool yet. so heres the links to my polls.

origin poll 1
origin poll 2

[count_4]

Sandbox and Virtual Machines are utter overkill. Just lock Origin in the Windows Firewall once ME3 has been activated and you're done.
No extra software, no system resources. Besides, you can't play in a regular Virtual Machine and I'm pretty sure the only free thing about virtualization software is the player to execute VMs. To build one yourself you'd probably need a licensed product.

Modifié par count_4, 18 janvier 2012 - 07:51 .

[Rockworm503]

You guys should be aware that EA sees this stuff as a breach of their system and will ban you for it.

[Rudy Lis]

Rockworm503 wrote...

You guys should be aware that EA sees this stuff as a breach of their system and will ban you for it.

Even if you place your dwarf beard porn and kitten cute pics in VM, not Origin?

[Rockworm503]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

You guys should be aware that EA sees this stuff as a breach of their system and will ban you for it.

Even if you place your dwarf beard porn and kitten cute pics in VM, not Origin?

LOL beats me

[count_4]

Bogsnot1 wrote...
 Only problem with relying on Windows Firewall, is that either an update to the firewall, Origin, or a deal done betwen EA and MS to get Origin listed as a "trusted" application can break the rule you set up.

Would you care to post a link to a knowledge base article (or similar) to verify this?
Overriding user rules in the firewall sounds like a very strange thing to do and, honestly, I've never seen it happen before.

@Gaming in VM: The problem is that the virtualization software has to not only emulate the graphics card but to have an interface to access the actual system graphics card on hardware level. Haven't seen this done either and we use VMs on daily basis where I work (and part of our product is intensive realtime cg).
We never tried really hard, though. Maybe some of the big companies have solutions in their portfolio. If these are affordable in any way for regular users, I tend to doubt.

Modifié par count_4, 18 janvier 2012 - 08:16 .

[lamar5000]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I'm saying that praising a download distribution client while condemning another download distribtion client (on many of the same points as the one praised) is hypocritical.

It is not hypocritical to defend Steam while criticizing Origin. Unlike Origin, the intent behind Steam when it was originally released (called World Opponent Network back then) was to actually improve the gaming
experience. It allowed all the third party games based on the half-life engine (counter strike, day of defeat, team fortress, etc.) to grouped onto one platform. These multiplayer games were frequently patched and revised, and receiving automatic updates for all your valve games on one platform was practical and greatly simplified the process. It was only after a couple of years that Valve realised how buying games digitally on one platform was a
convenient solution and they began partnering with developers to sell their games. PC gamers caught on to the concept and the rest is history. Even when most games could still be physically purchased, Steam still gradually evolved into a digital distribution platform since more and more gamers began to appreciate its services. Steam earned its users.

On the other hand, Origin has been forced down PC gamer’s throats since day one of its inception. There is nothing novel about Origin. All it will do is fragment customers game libraries and partition the PC gaming community, which completely goes against what millions of users appreciate about steam in the first place.  Steam did revolutionize gaming for many PC users and has become a well-established, reliable platform. The fact that we are forced to use an ALTERNATIVE software to play a highly anticipated game is a dirty marketing scheme by EA that inconveniences customers and completely goes against the concept that Valve originally thought up first. I also agree with many of the previous complaints about Origin regarding privacy and also find it ridiculous that the physical copies require it. Clearly EA is not acting in the best interests of gamers.

casadechrissowrote...

4. Bloatware and the opposite of ease of use. If other people don't mind running multiple game clients at the same time, I do. I don't run multiple iTunes clones too, one for my whole library is more than enough and I don't
want to switch to Windows Media Player every time I want to hear the Stones
after the Beatles. 
This is not a simple loader, this is a complete shop system and Steam clone that annoys with popups, will grow and grow in size over the time, wants to start with Windows and be always active, etc. etc…. And once Origin succeeds, another client will come, and another.... This is one of the main reasons I hate Origin.

  

Casadechrisso, I think your comments really complement what I am trying to say. Actually, I fully agree with your entire post (currently on p. 68 of this thread). It thoroughly addresses the issues many people have and I encourage any of you who appose Origin to read it, as it is a great way of unifying our complaints. 

Modifié par lamar5000, 18 janvier 2012 - 08:21 .

[Bogsnot1]

http://social.micros...63-4e4f6a9e86f7
http://social.micros...B2-2EB0E7722AEA

These are more to do with Windows Firewall just randomly breaking, but you just have to look at the amount of programs it allows through by default due to them being submitted to MS as "trusted apps", to get the idea that EA could well do the same. After that, its only a short step to repeating the Sony Rootkit debacle.

[Homebound]

in the end none of your individual arguments will amount to anything...most people are apposed to origin, but from what ive seen with the numbers on the polls im running, most of you will still bend over for it just so you can play games.

its like the l4d2 boycott all over again. except more critical and less pretentious.

[Rockworm503]

Hellbound555 wrote...

in the end none of your individual arguments will amount to anything...most people are apposed to origin, but from what ive seen with the numbers on the polls im running, most of you will still bend over for it just so you can play games.

its like the l4d2 boycott all over again. except more critical and less pretentious.

Yes the polls is everyone here *rolls eyes*

[Homebound]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

in the end none of your individual arguments will amount to anything...most people are apposed to origin, but from what ive seen with the numbers on the polls im running, most of you will still bend over for it just so you can play games.

its like the l4d2 boycott all over again. except more critical and less pretentious.

Yes the polls is everyone here *rolls eyes*

prove me wrong.

[Adugan]

Hellbound555 wrote...

so im running some polls to get a feel for what people think about origin. so far what ive seen isnt good. nobody wants origin but everybody is more than willing to bend over just so they can play games...

maybe i havent tapped into a big enough pool yet. so heres the links to my polls.

origin poll 1
origin poll 2

Sorry man, ninja'd by like 2 months.

[Rockworm503]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

in the end none of your individual arguments will amount to anything...most people are apposed to origin, but from what ive seen with the numbers on the polls im running, most of you will still bend over for it just so you can play games.

its like the l4d2 boycott all over again. except more critical and less pretentious.

Yes the polls is everyone here *rolls eyes*

prove me wrong.

You prove yourself wrong with generalizations like "most of you"
Give me a break it doesn't takes a genius to know better than to act like you know what everyone is doing based on a poll that very few people even bother with in the first place.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 18 janvier 2012 - 08:30 .

[Homebound]

SHOW me that all of you who are against origin arent all talk. show me that you'll actually do something about it. Prove to me that collectively we have the power to remove Origin.

If you can't do that, you might as well shut up.

[Homebound]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

in the end none of your individual arguments will amount to anything...most people are apposed to origin, but from what ive seen with the numbers on the polls im running, most of you will still bend over for it just so you can play games.

its like the l4d2 boycott all over again. except more critical and less pretentious.

Yes the polls is everyone here *rolls eyes*

prove me wrong.

You prove yourself wrong with generalizations like "most of you"
Give me a break it doesn't takes a genius to know better than to act like you know what everyone is doing based on a poll that very few people even bother with in the first place.

dont like origin? why arent u doing something about it?

[Adugan]

Hellbound555 wrote...

SHOW me that all of you who are against origin arent all talk. show me that you'll actually do something about it. Prove to me that collectively we have the power to remove Origin.

If you can't do that, you might as well shut up.

Stop while you are ahead. Either grow up or leave this thread with whatever dignity you have left.