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[Rockworm503]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...
I have identified the problem, came up with solutions and how to implement them.

You have identified nothing, and come up with nothting. You have done the classic "Steve Jobs". Take someone else ideas, reword it slightly, and then claim it as your own.

Yeah gosh I wish I thought of spreading it.
Oh wait I did too bad all my friends weren't planning on buying it anyway 

[Gotholhorakh]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

I think everyone missed the whole point of that post...the joke

"so you can still feel like PC gaming is alive"

Also fyi I am a PC gamer, but it is pretty much dead.

Apologies for addressing this slightly OT point - but the concept of PC gaming being dead is amusing, anyway - PCs have a massive install-base, generally speaking access to the web and quite often the ability to purchase things. Not only can you make games without the hugest budget in the world and make a comfortable living, but various companies are making trucktons of money right now through all sorts of games, be they MMOs, casino games, social games, FPS, RPG etc.

Yes, you can't put a single piece of software in a store and expect to shift millions upon millions of units all of the time, justifying and sometimes requiring enormous production budgets and risk, and you cannot rely on everyone who owns the platform being focused on buying your game, but that is the behaviour of a different sector of games development and publishing, anyway, which is consoles.


The huge install-base and easy individual purchase power on PCs allows developers to produce a staggering variety of things you could never sell in the relatively homogenous (and potentially high-budget, although heaven knows there are enough flash games at full price for the wii) environment of console games. You can experiment with PCs, you can have genuine evolution there, and people will keep upgrading their machines and buying new ones regardless of whether they liked the games for it, so the sky's the limit.

I wouldn't use the word "dead". There is lots and lot of money being made, there is easy entry for small developers with only as much risk as they want to take, and plenty of room for innovation however bizarre your next game might be. I would use the word "vibrant".

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:56 .

[Homebound]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...
I have identified the problem, came up with solutions and how to implement them.

You have identified nothing, and come up with nothting. You have done the classic "Steve Jobs". Take someone else ideas, reword it slightly, and then claim it as your own.

so these solutions have existed for a long time. Why isn't anything being done then?

I know what I'm going to do. I know what rockworm is going to do. We arent going to buy mass3, and Im sure theres a small handful of us who came to the same decision. But does this drive back Origin into the night? I dont think so. We need to do more than just complain..Maybe if we got our heads together, planned something out, DID something, ANYTHING that would make a REAL impact..but i dont see that happening.

Give me 3 solutions to fight Origin.

[Ottemis]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...
I have identified the problem, came up with solutions and how to implement them.

You have identified nothing, and come up with nothting. You have done the classic "Steve Jobs". Take someone else ideas, reword it slightly, and then claim it as your own.

Show some respect.

Modifié par Ottemis, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:54 .

[Siegdrifa]

> Question about Origin <

Feels like we have to tagg it : p

What some people posted is intresting about using the firewall to block the forced collecting data once ME3 is installed.
Could you please give us some info about that Chris ? Would it let ME3 works or does ME3 require origin fully operational with his collect / sending data.

It would fix so many problem if the collecting data was optionnal and not forced ....

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 18 janvier 2012 - 10:03 .

[Troodon80]

Also, can we please stop the spam? We all know there's dissent about Origin, I don't particularly like it either, but there's legitimate questions that people want to ask.

Bogsnot1 wrote...

One of the contributors to this thread was banned by a certain mod who claimed that sandboxing software was actually used to circumvent copyright. I am hoping this was more along the lines of a misunderstanding by an overzealous mod who didnt understand the concept of running software inside a sandboxed environment, rather than EA not only insisting that Origin be installed on your PC, but also that it must have free and unfettered access to all of your software, hardware, and any other resources.

I'm not hugely aware of the copyright surrounding the use of sandbox tools when it comes to games. But I can't see how it is illegal to use them. Microsoft Virtual-PC is a free download provided by Microsoft to anyone. If you have a legitimate copy of a particular OS that you want to install, and you set it up correctly and activate it, it is legal and legitimate. The same should apply to games, too. This is assuming that Origin would even be able to tell if it was running on a virtual machine and not on a standard computer.

I was just wondering if there was actual word on whether it was or was not against the rules/EULA. (If you get word, I don't suppose you could send me a PM about it? Browsing this spam is annoying).

[Kroepoek]

Ottemis wrote...

If you're looking for a sure way to get this thread closed, I'm pretty sure your spamming is moving it along nicely, ReginthornShower. Kindly GTFO?

Show some respect.

That being said. All of you purchasing ME3. Have fun with it. Thanks to the Origin requirement I won't be getting it. It's just that simple.

[Gotholhorakh]

Troodon80 wrote...

Also, can we please stop the spam? We all know there's dissent about Origin, I don't particularly like it either, but there's legitimate questions that people want to ask.

Bogsnot1 wrote...

One of the contributors to this thread was banned by a certain mod who claimed that sandboxing software was actually used to circumvent copyright. I am hoping this was more along the lines of a misunderstanding by an overzealous mod who didnt understand the concept of running software inside a sandboxed environment, rather than EA not only insisting that Origin be installed on your PC, but also that it must have free and unfettered access to all of your software, hardware, and any other resources.

I'm not hugely aware of the copyright surrounding the use of sandbox tools when it comes to games. But I can't see how it is illegal to use them.

It is not being used to circumvent any copy protection mechanism, so it is not a problem under the DMCA. From a technical standpoint, anyway.

Upon being asked to sign over rights to an environment's data, you choose not to put any data of yours in that environment, that has nothing to do with the DMCA or any kind of circumvention of copy protection mechanisms.

When I installed Origin I installed it on a machine with no other data on it, because that is how much data I was comfortable with sharing under the DMCA.

I didn't use a sandboxing tool, just a fresh computer and OS, partially because signing the Origin EULA with other people's data on a connected drive would have amounted to me violating the UK's Data Protection Act as it applied to those people's data but the effect is the same:

None of anyone else's business.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 18 janvier 2012 - 10:04 .

[Homebound]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

If you're looking for a sure way to get this thread closed, I'm pretty sure your spamming is moving it along nicely, ReginthornShower. Kindly GTFO?

I'm starting to think thats exactly what he's aiming for.

Whats worth pointing out is that he's quoting people (from other sites probably) of people who hate Origin and are planning on boycotting the game.
I don't see how getting this thread closed can possibly help either side of the fence.

alright then before this thread gets locked down I just wanted to say, if you guys dont want Origin, you have to fight it. We've all been taught that if you get a bunch of your friends, make some signs and yell slogans in front of a building, you'll get what you want. But in truth, that is not the case. Protesting or complaining about something does not make a problem go away. It is the movement behind the protest that gets things done. And if we really want Origin gone, we're going to need a movement.

hopefully as individuals, we can cause big enough ripples because I dont see that movement happening here.

Modifié par Hellbound555, 18 janvier 2012 - 10:07 .

[Homebound]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...
I have identified the problem, came up with solutions and how to implement them.

You have identified nothing, and come up with nothting. You have done the classic "Steve Jobs". Take someone else ideas, reword it slightly, and then claim it as your own.

so these solutions have existed for a long time. Why isn't anything being done then?

I know what I'm going to do. I know what rockworm is going to do. We arent going to buy mass3, and Im sure theres a small handful of us who came to the same decision. But does this drive back Origin into the night? I dont think so. We need to do more than just complain..Maybe if we got our heads together, planned something out, DID something, ANYTHING that would make a REAL impact..but i dont see that happening.

Give me 3 solutions to fight Origin.

Whatever drugs you are on, I want a kilo.
Things are being done. People are sandboxing Origin. Others, like myself, are experimenting with VM's. Still more, are planning to vote with their wallet and boycott not only ME3, but all games that require Origin. Some will even resort to illegal methods in order to not only see out the trilogy, but also as their source for all Origin based games in future.

I have already given you 4 solutions. Just because you cannot understand the copncepts behind them, does not mean nothing is being done.

Ottemis wrote...
Show some respect.

Firstly, to whome?
Secondly, respect is earned, not given. Neither hellbound, nor Jobs, has done anything to earn mine.

its not enough. Those are bandaids and quickfixes.

[Lux]

Troodon80 wrote...

Can someone actually point out where using a legitimate copy of Windows 7 on a MS Virtual-PC is against the the rules of Origin?

I have several backups of the same Virtual HDD (it is a blank slate) that I use for testing, but I want to know that I'm not actually breaking any rules by using it to play ME3 legitimately.

It can't be considered an infringement. A virtual environment offers a prefectly functional OS within an OS for you to do as you see fit (as long as you have enough memory). A VM offers great advantages in a domain environment. The catch is that it requires a genuine product key for each of the virtual-PCs since it works just like a regular OS.

The sandbox thingy is another matter. It conditions Origin's functionality within an operating system (among other nasty stuff in conjunction with other software) and that is a legitimate concern regarding DRM infringement.

[Bogsnot1]

Hellbound555 wrote...
its not enough. Those are bandaids and quickfixes. 

Right, so when I say it, its a bandaid and a quickfix. But when you say it, its a solution.

[Homebound]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...
its not enough. Those are bandaids and quickfixes. 

Right, so when I say it, its a bandaid and a quickfix. But when you say it, its a solution.

I admit what I'm doing is not enough either.

[Gotholhorakh]

For my part, if EA won't fix the simple problems with privacy, or the Origin requirement:

BF3
Mass Effect 3
...press on.

It would be quite sad, because I don't think there is much effort or sacrifice required on their part to sort it all out. It's coming across as almost tacitly belligerent when we could all be happily moving forward and buying/enjoying the games.

[Off-topic discussion removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 18 janvier 2012 - 06:22 .

[cantnotbestopped]

I was really negative with no justification really leading up to BF3's launch. Now I can adamantly say NO ORIGIN PLEASE!

[Homebound]

So rockworm, looks like me and you arent going to buy mass3 because of Origin. Thats a -$100+ right there for EA.
High five!

[Gotholhorakh]

Hellbound555 wrote...

So rockworm, looks like me and you arent going to buy mass3 because of Origin. Thats a -$100+ right there for EA.
High five!

If nothing is done to address matters, I won't be buying it, either.

[Homebound]

anybody else not going to buy Mass3 because of Origin?

[Adugan]

Apple is a bit too far off topic. Lets get back to Origin.

[Kroepoek]

Hellbound555 wrote...

anybody else not going to buy Mass3 because of Origin?

Browse through 77 pages and you get a clue. Short answer: A lot are not buying it.

[Rockworm503]

Fix1o0 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

anybody else not going to buy Mass3 because of Origin?

Browse through 77 pages and you get a clue. Short answer: A lot are not buying it.

This isn't even the first topic of it.

[casadechrisso]

Also, where's EA's banhammer when you really need it? I'm slowly changing my mind and think in some cases it's REALLY needed... not that these people have an Origin library to lose anyway, but just saying... I'm getting a real headache now. If you want to fight Origin, don't ****** off your comrads in arms! Sheesh.

Modifié par casadechrisso, 18 janvier 2012 - 10:29 .

[Gotholhorakh]

casadechrisso wrote...

Also, where's EA's banhammer if you really need it? I'm slowly changing my mind and think in some cases it's REALLY needed... not that these people have an Origin library to lose anyway, but just saying... I'm getting a real headache now. If you want to fight Origin, don't ****** off your comrads in arms! Sheesh.

Well, if you put it like that, you weren't called an idiot.

I remember "you're holding your phone wrong" - certainly amounted to being treated like an idiot to me. Rather than being one.



Anyway, let's furiously paddle away from the vortex of off-topicness.

The point is that you can lose your games library - be banned from your paid-for single player games without refund because someone doesn't like your online forum posts - that's wrong, how can there even be such a stipulation? Oh well at least you can choose not to sign up, right?

The fact that you can be expected, through a video game EULA, to self-censor so you never criticise some company, is... mindboggling in itself, but at least you can choose not to sign up, right?

Well if it's put in front of your game when you try to install, wrong.
Unless you have 60 bucks to burn for a non-refundable game.


The fact that you can be expected, through a video game EULA, to sign over rights to your data and even data of other people, is... intrusive in itself, but at least you can choose not to sign up, right?

Well if it's put in front of your game when you try to install, wrong.
Unless you have 60 bucks to burn for a non-refundable game.

All of this can be updated and made worse, too - they could literally expect you to agree to anything before you can play your game, add terms and demands that weren't on the box, weren't mentioned when you handed over your cash, and which can stop you playing your bought and paid for game if you disagree. You are effectively agreeing to infinitely changeable "terms" with someone who has included intrusive privacy terms before, before you can fire up your single player game.

I don't think EA is evil or has any kind of terrible intent. This is all easy for EA to fix. They probably will fix it, unless people rush in their droves to endorse this sort of thing by buying it anyway.

I won't do that. I don't seek to make or persuade anyone else to do the same, but I can't endorse these sort of requirements with my hard-earned cash until some action has been taken to fix things

If people endorse it, it will be this and more in the future, and they will have only themselves to blame. They probably will, but I will vote with my conscience.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 18 janvier 2012 - 10:47 .

[Homebound]

All I wanted was for us to stop wallowing in this thread, complaining about Origin, and instead really do something about it. Thats all.

No offence to the guys out there who are already dropping the mass3 title because of Origin.

[Adugan]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

Also, where's EA's banhammer if you really need it? I'm slowly changing my mind and think in some cases it's REALLY needed... not that these people have an Origin library to lose anyway, but just saying... I'm getting a real headache now. If you want to fight Origin, don't ****** off your comrads in arms! Sheesh.

Well, if you put it like that, you weren't called an idiot.

I remember "you're holding your phone wrong" - certainly amounted to being treated like an idiot to me. Rather than being one.



Anyway, let's furiously paddle away from the vortex of off-topicness.

The point is that you can lose your games library - be banned from your paid-for single player games without refund because someone doesn't like your online forum posts - that's wrong, how can there even be such a stipulation? Oh well at least you can choose not to sign up, right?

The fact that you can be expected, through a video game EULA, to self-censor so you never criticise some company, is... mindboggling in itself, but at least you can choose not to sign up, right?

Well if it's put in front of your game when you try to install, wrong.
Unless you have 60 bucks to burn for a non-refundable game.


The fact that you can be expected, through a video game EULA, to sign over rights to your data and even data of other people, is... intrusive in itself, but at least you can choose not to sign up, right?

Well if it's put in front of your game when you try to install, wrong.
Unless you have 60 bucks to burn for a non-refundable game.

All of this can be updated and made worse, too - they could literally expect you to agree to anything before you can play your game, add terms and demands that weren't on the box, weren't mentioned when you handed over your cash, and which can stop you playing your bought and paid for game if you disagree. You are effectively agreeing to infinitely changeable "terms" with someone who has included intrusive privacy terms before, before you can fire up your single player game.

I don't think EA is evil or has any kind of terrible intent. This is all easy for EA to fix. They will fix it, unless people rush in their droves to endorse this sort of thing by buying it anyway.

I won't do that. I don't seek to make or persuade anyone else to do the same, but I can't endorse these sort of requirements with my hard-earned cash until some action has been taken to fix things

If people endorse it, it will be this and more in the future, and they will have only themselves to blame. They probably will, but I will vote with my conscience.

This is probably the best post with the most concise wording about why Origin is bad, and an explanation of EA in the two Origin threads combined.
+1 internets to you.

Modifié par Adugan, 18 janvier 2012 - 10:45 .