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[Fredvdp]

Baron Warlock wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

The main question I want answered is "What does Origin add to the Mass Effect 3 single-player experience?" If the answer is "nothing" it means you're doing it wrong.

I've been following EA and Origin for a while now, and this has to be the best criticism of it. People can disagree about the finer points of the EULA, or that Origin is apparently spyware, or how it compares with Steam, or any number of items brought up in this and other EA forums. But to me this is its biggest fundamental problem, it adds no value to the end user.

Looking at BF3, it adds nothing, zero intergration with the Battlelog, so what's the point in it? When I talk to friends who play BF3, in reference to Origin, they only tell me negatives. At least with the Battlelog some people love it. I never hear anything good about Origin.

I'm glad someone was able to dig up my old comment from the mess that is this thread. I also played BF3 and Origin just sits there doing nothing. At least with certain Steam games, especially the ones made by Valve, the multiplayer service of the games are connected with Steam's server browser and friend list.

[Fredvdp]

Adugan wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

so origin is not only needed to download the game, it is need to play it offline? Are you kidding me?

You don't need to download it through Origin. You can install it from the DVD or download it from another third party digital service.

The final part of downloading ME3 through a DD service or off the disc is an Origin verification. So yes, you DO need Origin to install the game.

The user I quoted specifically mentioned the word 'download', not 'install'. I didn't say Origin is not required to install it, because I know it is.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 18 janvier 2012 - 11:58 .

[wolfsite]

Adugan wrote...

jcainhaze wrote...

Kinda new Adugan. And thanks for the welcome unless you were being a smartarse in which case you can suck it.

Would you be so polite to highlight why origins is causing people so much hate? Just a sorta short simple bullet point? That would be great. I've been reading the thread but it's honestly huge and all over the place.

-Origin is 7 years old, and STILL has tons of bugs. 

Did you actually go in and check every siongle one of those threads?

A lot of them date back quite a few years (IE Before Origin) many are also duplicate threads with issues that have been solved but simply were not moved or deleted.

Also Origin is not 7 years old unless you have proof that this is what
they wanted to do with the EA Downloader when it was first concieved, if
you do not have proof then you can not claim as such.

[Adugan]

Fredvdp wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

so origin is not only needed to download the game, it is need to play it offline? Are you kidding me?

You don't need to download it through Origin. You can install it from the DVD or download it from another third party digital service.

The final part of downloading ME3 through a DD service or off the disc is an Origin verification. So yes, you DO need Origin to install the game.

The user I quoted specifically mentioned the word 'download', not 'install'. I didn't say Origin is not required to install it, because I know it is.

But what is the point of downloading and not installing? Are you going to keep the .exe file around for sh**s and giggles?

[ArkkAngel007]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Troodon80 wrote...
I can't vouch for the validity of this, but it looks legit.

http://s3.amazonaws....m0i5o1_1280.jpg

Correct me if I am mistaken.

Its not mine, so I cant say its 100% legit, but apparently, EA has changed Origin's behaviour so it no longer does scanning to that extent. I say apparently because those who "have tested it recently" also wax a little bit too lyrical about, which makes me suspect they are EA shills posing as Joe Customer.
Unfortunately, they have left the clause within the EULA that gives them the right to go along and scan your system anyway, even if it doesnt do itt at the present time. Nothing is stopping a future Origin update from doing so, or a blackhat hacker cracking EA's servers, and pushing through a modified version of the old code, so the next Origin update will resume the scanning, but will send the data off to less than honest folks, or will turn trhe persons PC into part of a zombie botnet the same way Sony's rootkit was repurposed.
As you could imagine, something like that would represent a veritable gold mine of information for those who are willing to do some coding and cracking.

Not an EA borg, Bogsnot, though I would love the job offer to oversee Origin.

Anyways, if the EULA changes, you can challenge it, as long as you don't sign.  People complain, yet they don't read before they sign and aren't aware of what is in there until Joe Blow down the street mentions it.

So read before you sign anything.

[Evil_Weasel]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I think it was worth it for Skyrim, though.

Was is worth it?
No pun/fun intended, just asking your opinion.

I think so. I've sunk about 110 hours so far, and many many more to go.

But we're digressing.

You know, thats kinda how I got started with Steam. I really wanted to play Portal, but coudlnt stand Steam from my experince with it bakc when I played Half Life 2. But I broke down and told myself Id uninstall it right after I beat that game and never fool with it again.

I forgot to put it in the offline mode once I found out how to the second day as I played Portal over the next 3 days. Then I saw Left 4 Dead on sale for a Mid Week Madness sale, and it was another game I though about breaking my no Steam stance for, and since I already had Steam with Portal, i figured ... OK, Left 4 Dead, then uninstall... but you cant run Steam in offline mode and play Left 4 Dead multiplayer... so after about a month, the Steam holiday sale ran through and I was transfixed by the prices, and spent about $60-80 and got about $200 worth of games.

Now I love it, and I have 104 games on my Steam account. It is a wondurful game manager, has a robust frinds management and contact interface, and more importantly I dont believe at any given moment Valve/Steam is gunna screw me over to make a dime like EA would.

Just so everyone knows, they make Orogin mandatory so you dont have a choice about it and they ARE going to sell that data they collect at some point thats the reason they made the software that way to begin with to make $MONEY$.

[Pcmag1]

I wonder about following scenario. I buy game form retail. I install it along with origin. I agree with EULA. play and finish the game. There are new games and so I uninstall both the game and Origin. Few months later, I wana play again I try to install mass effect but EULA has been updated and it now includes the scanning computer part again. I refuse. Congratulation your legaly purchased copy of ME3 is now ME themed Beer coaster

[Fredvdp]

Adugan wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

so origin is not only needed to download the game, it is need to play it offline? Are you kidding me?

You don't need to download it through Origin. You can install it from the DVD or download it from another third party digital service.

The final part of downloading ME3 through a DD service or off the disc is an Origin verification. So yes, you DO need Origin to install the game.

The user I quoted specifically mentioned the word 'download', not 'install'. I didn't say Origin is not required to install it, because I know it is.

But what is the point of downloading and not installing? Are you going to keep the .exe file around for sh**s and giggles?

Where did I say anything about not installing the game?

The person I quoted asked if you have to download the game through Origin. I said no. You can install the game from the disc through Origin without downloading it anywhere.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:26 .

[Adugan]

Fredvdp wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

so origin is not only needed to download the game, it is need to play it offline? Are you kidding me?

You don't need to download it through Origin. You can install it from the DVD or download it from another third party digital service.

The final part of downloading ME3 through a DD service or off the disc is an Origin verification. So yes, you DO need Origin to install the game.

The user I quoted specifically mentioned the word 'download', not 'install'. I didn't say Origin is not required to install it, because I know it is.

But what is the point of downloading and not installing? Are you going to keep the .exe file around for sh**s and giggles?

Where did I say anything about not installing the game?

The person I quoted asked if you have to download the game through Origin. I said no. You can install the game from the disc through Origin without downloading it anywhere.

Ah I see. Nevermind then

[Fredvdp]

Adugan wrote...

Ah I see. Nevermind then

No problem.

[adamsorkin]

Will only order on Steam. Unhappy about origin.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

adamsorkin wrote...

Will only order on Steam. Unhappy about origin.

an another steam fanboy -.-"

[Evil_Weasel]

Here is the thing. If you dont like somthing, dont buy it. If everyone who didnt want Orogin with its data mining rights ready to go and invade your privacy. Dont buy it.

After disasterus sales, EA will be bending over backwards to placate our desires to addjust the EULA. They wont be able to backpeddle fast enough to say their sorry they tried to offend you.

What will you lose, 1 or 2 months more of waiting for Mass Effect 3. Sure your thinking "ZOMYGOD wut about my pre-order bonuses?" Well, if no one bough it, we could ask that the non Game Stop pre-order stuff be added as free DLC because we didnt get it and that is was due to no fault of our own that Orogin was invasive and offputting.

EA wants our money, with a bit of will power we can make them give us what we want, and the sooner we do it the sooner we wont have to wait a few months to play a game till the give in to our demands. If we show them we dont want to put up with their crap with ME3 then we wont have to do it with the next game at all.

You still get to play ME3, but all you have to do is wait till they cave, their banking on your drug addict behavior of "I know its bad but cant help myself." Judgeing by the sentiments expressed on these forums, thats how many people will behave. They will line up to be given intusive software because they cant help themselfs.

Statements like "ME3 will be the last game I buy from EA because of Orogin" is exactly what they want to hear, it means that their plan to force Orogins on you with something you yourself proclaim you will get because your looking forward to it even though it is attached to something you dont want is as smart as they think it is.

If we just didnt buy it till they fixed the EULA, then Im betting on about 2 months tops befor they appologize to us in the form of EULA fixes or opt outs.

[Mister Mida]

Evil_Weasel wrote...
*snip*

Changing the EULA will be a start, but won't cut it for plenty of people.

[Candidate 88766]

Evil_Weasel wrote...

Here is the thing. If you dont like somthing, dont buy it. If everyone who didnt want Orogin with its data mining rights ready to go and invade your privacy. Dont buy it.

After disasterus sales, EA will be bending over backwards to placate our desires to addjust the EULA. They wont be able to backpeddle fast enough to say their sorry they tried to offend you.

What will you lose, 1 or 2 months more of waiting for Mass Effect 3. Sure your thinking "ZOMYGOD wut about my pre-order bonuses?" Well, if no one bough it, we could ask that the non Game Stop pre-order stuff be added as free DLC because we didnt get it and that is was due to no fault of our own that Orogin was invasive and offputting.

EA wants our money, with a bit of will power we can make them give us what we want, and the sooner we do it the sooner we wont have to wait a few months to play a game till the give in to our demands. If we show them we dont want to put up with their crap with ME3 then we wont have to do it with the next game at all.

You still get to play ME3, but all you have to do is wait till they cave, their banking on your drug addict behavior of "I know its bad but cant help myself." Judgeing by the sentiments expressed on these forums, thats how many people will behave. They will line up to be given intusive software because they cant help themselfs.

Statements like "ME3 will be the last game I buy from EA because of Orogin" is exactly what they want to hear, it means that their plan to force Orogins on you with something you yourself proclaim you will get because your looking forward to it even though it is attached to something you dont want is as smart as they think it is.

If we just didnt buy it till they fixed the EULA, then Im betting on about 2 months tops befor they appologize to us in the form of EULA fixes or opt outs.

Wishful thinking at best.

Given that over a million people use Origin for BF3, a few thousand less sales of ME3 than expected aren't going to dent EA's push for Origin. Hell, if even 1% of the people who own BF3 are tempted by the promotional flier in the box for ME3 then those 10,000 sales will vastly outweigh the number of people on BSN who boycott it.

The only thing that will stop Origin in its tracks are if other publishers refuse to sell their games on it. And even then EA has enough AAA franchises to keep it going.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 18 janvier 2012 - 01:34 .

[SalsaDMA]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Below are answers to the most commonly asked questions about Origin and Mass Effect 3. Thank you for your patience as we have worked to answer them.

1) Will Origin be a requirement to play all versions of Mass Effect 3? (Digital and/or from a retail brick and mortar store)
Yes, Origin is required for all PC editions of Mass Effect 3, physical or digital.

That's all I needed to know.

It was a pleasure doing business with you in the past. Don't expect my business in the future if you keep this up.

I'll never install Origin on my system, so making it a requirement for your game means you aren't interested in selling me your game.

Simple as that.

Not gonna bother with the ME forums anymore either, as you have killed all incentive for me to continue keeping up with the franchise or info about it. So if you at any point rescind your decision in order to actually start selling more copies of the game on the PC, you need a better info campaign to that goal rather than just stating it on the forums which your lost customers will have stopped reading.

Edit: Ironically, I will now log on my SW:TOR client, a bioware game that does NOT require Origin, and hence I had no problem purchasing. Do I have Lucasarts to thank for playing that game?

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 18 janvier 2012 - 01:42 .

[Viper-sfm]

What I would like to know, is why Kings of Amalur, which is an EA game, and will most likely have DLC in the future, is available for Pre-Order on Steam, and the Bioware games aren't? This doesn't really make any sense IMO.

All the talk I've read about Origin worries me...a lot. And not playing ME3 is something that I can't fathom doing. Which puts me in a crossroads of sorts...do I trust EA will not datamine my computer and install Origin or do I pass on what will probably be the GOTY this year? And BTW, I'm not saying that Origin does anything. I haven't really seen conclusive data yet, but the fear is there. And I'm not even worried about computer info and IP Addresses. EA has that by me just accessing their website. But what about my files? Documents? Is EA scanning that? They say they don't. But it's hard to trust them with all the history that accompanies them.

Well, I guess I have to mull over this a bit more still :-/

[Mister Mida]

Viper-sfm wrote...

What I would like to know, is why Kings of Amalur, which is an EA game, and will most likely have DLC in the future, is available for Pre-Order on Steam, and the Bioware games aren't? This doesn't really make any sense IMO.

Amalur is made by a privately owned developer.

[XenoAlbedo]

Though I'd rather it be on Steam and I hate EA along with Origin with most of my being, I'm still going to buy ME3.

[fisuk]

Well, hiyall... first post to these forums and probably the last one. I spent yesterday around 10 hours or so reading this thread (including the locked one), so not letting that to go waste, I thought I'd contribute something to the discussion.

First of all, I don't like Origin at all. And for that matter, I don't like Steam either. The only DD service I've liked this far has been Desura, but that's beside the point. For some strange reason, some of the proponents of Origin (or people who find Origin to be a non-problem) seem to think that every opponent of Origin have the same reasoning not to like Origin. To this point I've seen many reasons:

• I don't want anything installed besides ME3 on my computer
• Origin has been accused of being spyware (with some evidence shown), thus I don't trust EA
• EA has been shown to wrongfully ban people from their legitimately owned games, even if ToS has not been breached (please note that the link doesn't work at the time of posting because of SOPA/PIPA blackouts)
• I don't like EA
• Steam is better than Origin; Why use Origin when Steam could be used?
• I already have Service XX, why do I need another one?
• Why do I need Origin to installed when I'm buying a boxed version from a brick and mortar store
• The EULA of Origin is unacceptable.
• There's no guarantee that if Origin goes down we'll still be able to get games obtained through Origin some other way (or even play them, even if we have a boxed version)
• Datamining on Origin needs to be optional (and preferrably opt-in, not opt-out)
• Origin is unsecure

There's probably a lot more reasoning for not wanting Origin, but I guess that's the majority. I'll try to open these up as much as I can (there will be some subjective opinions also, so have it with a grain of salt).

1) I don't want anything installed besides ME3 on my computer

This is probably an unrealistic requirement, although a very understable one.
Why it is unrealistic? Well, multiplayer games today usually require
some sort of validation of originality (because of some seafarers) and
some form of anticheating systems (which are, depending on the case
either a good thing for everybody or just a really bad thing).

To some
extent I can accept validation of software (although I believe DRM is
useless in so many levels that it just is a bother for legitimate
customers, sailors get the superior product) and it seems that's the concensus here too. Some would prefer
the validation to be inside the product itself (in this case it's ME3), if at all.

2) Origin has been accused of being spyware (with some evidence shown), thus I don't trust EA

This is a bit more complicated matter, since there has been some evidence about Origin being spyware. The proof being screen captures from system monitoring program accessing files outside of Origins own directory. There was also an indepth analysis from a hacker of functionality of Origin, but I've lost the page where the analysis was discussed (so have this with a really big spoon of salt and pepper). If you know about this, please point me the correct way.

Anyways, it would appear that before the Germany EULA case, Origin did scan the whole computer. I'm too lazy to actually find good evidence for this, except for the screen caps that can be found on this thread too. The before origin update caps did show Origin accessing files other than Origins own directory, while after the update Origin kept to it's own directory.

While proponents of Origin seem to see this fact to render the argument moot, opponents of Origin have claimed a loss of trust towards EA, so the problem isn't actually solved (for instance, because of the EULA stating that they reserve the right to collect information). For about 200 pages of forum discussion, this has been on a stalemate and neither side seem to understand each other, while in fact both sides have a valid point.
I will discuss about the evidence a bit later on more.

3) EA has been shown to wrongfully ban people from their legitimately owned games

I find this to be extremely important point, which the proponents of Origin seem not to understand why it's a problem. Many proponents have said "I haven't had any problems", while probably true, it doesn't mean that it will never happen or that it isn't happening to someone else. If this is really happening, it is a problem: for every one of us.

This is where I'd like to ask Mr. Chris Priestly if there has been wrongful banning of people, or are blogs and news site blowing this out of proportion? I do understand that mistakes do happen, but it seems that handling of those mistakes hasn't been exactly very good... or there actually IS a systemic problem in EA/Origin.

4) I don't like EA

Valid point, but then you just can't simply play ME1/2/3, it's simple as that. Or then play the console version (even then you'll support EA since Bioware is owned by EA).

5,6) Steam is better than Origin; Why use Origin when Steam could be used?

Mr. Priestly has given an answer to this, several times, but not to the extent that many people would want him to. Most of people would like to have some indepth reasoning for this decision, other than the "Steam has restrictive policies" explanation. There's not much we can do, but to express our disappointment to EA.

To Mr. Priestly: I'm not sure if it was you, or some other Bioware employee / Site moderator who suggested us to take this complaint to Steam and not to EA, but it would help us to take this to Steam if we knew what is the reasoning behind EA's decision not release it on Steam.

7) Why do I need Origin to be installed if I've bought the boxed version

A very valid point indeed. Reasoning for this is probably in the software validation and that EA doesn't want to make a patch for inside-the-game validation. Explanation why Origin needs to be installed after the first install and validation hasn't surfaced yet, but my personal take on this is that ME3 requires Origin for some functionality and that cannot be easily remedied, but like I said, it's my take on this, no proof no nothing. Multiplayer probably will require Origin, it would be odd not to use facilities provided by Origin and to implement some ingame mechanism for multiplayer.

8) EULA is unacceptable

Well, EA is no different from other companies. Most do have same kind of EULA that restricts everything and reserves rights that they shouldn't. I don't like the EULA either, but it is very unlikely that they'll remove the data collection clause from it, because without it they couldn't probably collect data at all (in certain jurisdictions) if it isn't spelled out in the EULA. 

Then, like it has been pointed out before in the conversation, in most jurisdictions EULA's cannot be enforced (like, in Finland and probably most of the Europe, you cannot relinquish your rights with an EULA), so even if the EULA contains a clause saying "You will not sue EA", it cannot be enforced in all jurisdictions. To my understanding, in USA they can be enforced, but again, don't take my word for it.

Like many of you know, most people never even read the EULA, I myself am no exception to that.

9) There's no guarantee that if Origin goes down we'll still be able to get games obtained through Origin in some other way (or even play them, even if we have a boxed version)

I'd like an answer to this too, although this should not be an issue for those who acquire a boxed ME3 (although then it would require a third party method or apparatus to enable playing without Origin, if Bioware/EA refuses to make a patch). 
So, Mr. Priestly: Is there a guarantee that we can keep playing our legally bought games even if Origin goes belly up?

10) Datamining on Origin needs to be optional (and preferrably opt-in, not opt-out)

A valid point this too, even if some Origin proponent do not have a beef with this functionality. Any and every bit of data on our computers are private, even if you claim to collect only "anonymous" data. And if you do collect IP address with that "anonymous" data, when combined that data is not anymore anonymous. Clarification for this would be nice.
According to this, it seems it's possible to completely opt-out from the data acquisition.

11) Origin is unsecure

Well that is a bit of a concern, would like to know more about this, since if this is happening, no wonder if people get banned.

--

Then, to the "evidence" that Origin is/is not spyware. My view is that it is very much inconclusive, from both sides of the debate. Firstly, a single screenshot from a program doing something hardly can be viewed as proof, since such could be doctored in a matter of seconds (just take a capture when nothing bad is happening). Secondly, even if hard evidence about a software opening files/registrys does appear, that doesn't mean that it's doing something bad.

Although after the Origin update that seems to have been removed, either it's done because it's a concern for people, or EA did actually do something evil, but that we don't know. We do have some support for complete scans of directories, which seems to be unwarranted. We don't know whether it was uploaded or not, or if it was just a bug/side-effect. There has been assumptions "well why bother scanning if it wasn't uploaded!", but that's just speculation. Although, it would be nice to have an official clarification about the issue from EA and why such behavior was observed (if there is such available, please do point me to the right direction).

There was also some screencaps showing that even Steam sends data to servers, and even more so than Origin. But the only thing those screenshots showed was that they do send data, not what they send and where. But that's a no brainer, of course they send data, they would not work at all if they didn't use the network!

I myself installed Origin on a virtual machine and used Wireshark to sniff data sent from Origin (and received from the servers) for an hour or so. While I'm not going to post any screenshots or paste logs from the act itself, you can easily reproduce what I did yourself (you do need to be a bit sawwy with tech though).

It was already pointed out that Origin uses Amazon's cloudservices for something and EA's own servers for something (well, the IP belonged to EA, so most likely the server was EA's too). Origin client sends continuosly a heartbeat signal at intervals of a minute or so (as the name implies, the client sends the server I'M ALIVE signals) so that's nothing to worry about. There was also data sent wit Jabber-protocol, so it seems that EA uses Jabber for friends / communication etc. (which is nice). Then there was a lot of SSL/TLS communication. For those who are not in the know, that means it's encrypted data. For sure, I can say that username and password are sent encrypted (and that's the reason I won't post logs), but cannot say what the other data was. All other unencrypted TCP data was basically pictures (avatars etc) or just plain HTML. And that was pretty much what I had energy to figure out.

It's hard to say what other data was in the encrypted transmissions. I could've decrypted them, but that would've required me to find out what is the Origin clients private key, which probably is located in memory and not on disk. But that would've been so much trouble that I left it to that. The encryption method changed every once in a while, so it's probable that even the private key is regenerated every once in a while. But I don't know, I'm really not a specialist in this area. So, salt is your friend. (But to me it would at least appear that the Origin client itself seems secure).

Sorry, long post is long and probably contains millions of typos, grammatical errors and probably is structured very badly. As a disclaimer, this post does not represent everybody, but it represents my views of the debate while trying to contribute something myself.

Also, someone did post a link to Open Origin (sorry original poster, it's just too much of a hassle to find you from the thread jungle) and that an EA employee is working on it, so it would appear that EA ain't that evil after all... but let's not jump to conclusions. At least with Open Origin, we can see ourselves what the software does and what it doesn't.

For the record, I respect everyone who has decided not to preorder/buy ME3 at all. You have all my respect. But the same applies to those that feel Origin is a non-problem. I for one, still am keeping my preorder in place, but that might change.

Modifié par fisuk, 18 janvier 2012 - 02:09 .

[Nathander Von Eric]

As disappointed as I am with the official news that Origin will be required to play Mass Effect 3 I appreciate the fact that Mr. Priestly has taken the time to and made the effort to answer questions customers have had and continue to have.

Bioware could very easily just say "If you have questions contact Origin support."

That they haven't done that is very telling and indicative to me that they do still care about their fans and haven't become "EA Borg's" or whatever else someone would want to rail about.

I won't be buying Mass Effect 3 because of the Origin requirement.

I still don't know enough about it to trust it.

We haven't been given enough data from EA to be truly and fully informed besides just statements to the effect of, basically "It's not spyware. Pay no attention to the EULA and what you agree to. We won't do it even though we want you to sign an agreement saying that we can."

No disrespect towards those trying to answer our questions is meant by that statement at all. Seriously. That's just the way I see it.

But I still love your games. You are still one of the best developers out there and probably always will be. I'll still be replaying the fantastic games you've made that I already have for years to come and I'll always think of you guys as some of the select few great ones.

I appreciate the attempt to get us answers. Thank you.

Modifié par Nathander Von Eric, 18 janvier 2012 - 02:16 .

[XenoAlbedo]

Steam? Restrictive policies? Yea- no.

[Furtled]

@ Chris Priestly
Thanks for the update, I appreciate you guys are trying to handle this best you can - just one question:

[inappropriate comments removed]

EDIT: Fair dues on the removal, that was a daft one - new question: Is there any chance this is going to change for retail boxed versions or is this announcement the final say and Origin's here to stay?

Cheers

As it stands I've (reluctantly) cancelled my pre-order.



@The BSN Community
If you don't want Origin (for whatever reason) then you need to vote with your wallet, it's (unfortunately as I love BioWare and want to support them) the only way EA will listen. Same thing happened with the real name in forums thing with Blizzard, it wasn't the complaints or privacy concerns that did it, it was WoW players cancelling Cataclysm pre-orders en-masse that finally made them back down.

Modifié par Furtled, 18 janvier 2012 - 07:44 .

[Troodon80]

Also, I have another couple of questions for BioWare/EA, if they would be so kind (I love being ignored, that's the only reason why I ask questions ).

I have satellite broadband which gives me about 15kb per second download speeds at an astronomically excessive prices (2.5GB data cap). Since I have slow internet, my only option when it comes to downloading anything above about 5MB is to go to an internet café. Obviously, this means not disconnecting my gaming rig to traipse 20 miles to the nearest town. For downloading large files, I bring and use my laptop, this also applies to large files I wish to upload, as is often the case when completing contracts for certain bodies.

1). Will I need to download anything as part of the installation, as many forms of DRM do (including Steam; i.e. the exe and/or other files are not on the disc), or will all necessary files be included on the disc?

2). Will BioWare/EA be allowing the download of patches and updates as well as DLC through the BioWare Social Network, as is the case currently for Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age / 2?

Both are a concern to me, as downloading is very much a downside to having satellite internet.

[Sundance31us]

Wittand25 wrote...
Every publisher can change their EULAs at their own leisure. The paragraph that the EULA can be modified and that the user has from two weeks up to 30 days to accept or reject that change is standart and part of every single EULA out there. I know nobody really reads them but the Origin EULA hardly contains anything exeptional.

It's a fairly common contract clause outside of EULAs as well.

For the sake of reference I'm including Steam's below.

STEAM® SUBSCRIBER AGREEMENT

12. AMENDMENTS TO THIS AGREEMENT

Valve may amend this Agreement at any time in its sole discretion. As a Subscriber, you agree that Valve may amend the terms of this Agreement. If Valve amends the Agreement, such amendment shall be effective thirty (30) days after your receiving notice of the amended Agreement, either via e-mail or as a notification within the Software. You can view the Agreement at any time at http://www.steampowered.com/. Your failure to cancel your Account thirty (30) days after receiving notification of an amended Agreement will mean that you accept all such amendments. If you don't agree to the amendments or to any of the terms in this Agreement, your only remedy is to cancel your Account or a particular Subscription.