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[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Viper-sfm wrote...

What I would like to know, is why Kings of Amalur, which is an EA game, and will most likely have DLC in the future, is available for Pre-Order on Steam, and the Bioware games aren't? This doesn't really make any sense IMO.

All the talk I've read about Origin worries me...a lot. And not playing ME3 is something that I can't fathom doing. Which puts me in a crossroads of sorts...do I trust EA will not datamine my computer and install Origin or do I pass on what will probably be the GOTY this year? And BTW, I'm not saying that Origin does anything. I haven't really seen conclusive data yet, but the fear is there. And I'm not even worried about computer info and IP Addresses. EA has that by me just accessing their website. But what about my files? Documents? Is EA scanning that? They say they don't. But it's hard to trust them with all the history that accompanies them.

Well, I guess I have to mull over this a bit more still :-/

This confused the **** out of me too, probably because EA couldn't sell it if it was exclusively on their client Origin, whereas the steam community is massive by comparison (there are more people on the steam community at any given time (during the holiday sale) then there were members of Origin (I'm not sure if the data I was looking at included member role-over from EA-downloadmanager/account).

Reality is its pretty two faced at any level, and I wouldn't be surprised if EA/Bioware flip flops on ME3 and releases it for steam with DLC down the road, mostly because if you talk to just random Steam users, most I've encountered who played the series wouldn't go beyond the steam client for it. That being said, still no guarantee, but I have a feeling it will happen, EA can make more money still by opening it up to steam, wouldn't be logical to close off their options.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Troodon80 wrote...

Also, I have another couple of questions for BioWare/EA, if they would be so kind (I love being ignored, that's the only reason why I ask questions ).

I have satellite broadband which gives me about 15kb per second download speeds at an astronomically excessive prices (2.5GB data cap). Since I have slow internet, my only option when it comes to downloading anything above about 5MB is to go to an internet café. Obviously, this means not disconnecting my gaming rig to traipse 20 miles to the nearest town. For downloading large files, I bring and use my laptop, this also applies to large files I wish to upload, as is often the case when completing contracts for certain bodies.

1). Will I need to download anything as part of the installation, as many forms of DRM do (including Steam; i.e. the exe and/or other files are not on the disc), or will all necessary files be included on the disc?

2). Will BioWare/EA be allowing the download of patches and updates as well as DLC through the BioWare Social Network, as is the case currently for Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age / 2?

Both are a concern to me, as downloading is very much a downside to having satellite internet.

Your situation is exactly why traditional downloadable installation files (.exe) are superior to in-game patching utilities or internal patching via DD software such as Origin or Steam. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 18 janvier 2012 - 02:53 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Troodon80 wrote...

I can't vouch for the validity of this, but it looks legit.

http://s3.amazonaws....m0i5o1_1280.jpg

Correct me if I am mistaken.

Its not mine, so I cant say its 100% legit, but apparently, EA has changed Origin's behaviour so it no longer does scanning to that extent. I say apparently because those who "have tested it recently" also wax a little bit too lyrical about, which makes me suspect they are EA shills posing as Joe Customer.
Unfortunately, they have left the clause within the EULA that gives them the right to go along and scan your system anyway, even if it doesnt do itt at the present time. Nothing is stopping a future Origin update from doing so, or a blackhat hacker cracking EA's servers, and pushing through a modified version of the old code, so the next Origin update will resume the scanning, but will send the data off to less than honest folks, or will turn trhe persons PC into part of a zombie botnet the same way Sony's rootkit was repurposed.
As you could imagine, something like that would represent a veritable gold mine of information for those who are willing to do some coding and cracking.

Not an EA borg, Bogsnot, though I would love the job offer to oversee Origin.

Anyways, if the EULA changes, you can challenge it, as long as you don't sign.  People complain, yet they don't read before they sign and aren't aware of what is in there until Joe Blow down the street mentions it.

So read before you sign anything.

No one ever actually signs a EULA, at least not that I've come across.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 18 janvier 2012 - 02:54 .

[PSUHammer]

Excellent post, fisuk. Very informative and objective (a nice change of pace in this tiring debate). I just installed Origin to play the KoA demo. I find it to act very similar to Steam and my process monitoring has found that it is only looking at the Origin directory, so far. It did find that I had DA2 registered before, so it linked to my EA account and it gave me the option to download the game (even though I have a boxed copy). I think this is a nice option.

I really have nothing to hide on my gaming rig as all my personal files are located elsewhere. So, Origin is not the devil, to me. I find it unnecessary if I wish to buy a boxed copy of the game and play offline, though. So I am not sure what EA is trying to do other then enact some DNR.

I don't think it is some shady, evil AI out to get your system files, though. If you want another content download manager, it may be a nice feature. I tend to not be so emotional over these things.

If I see something on process monitor, moving forward, I will post here.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 18 janvier 2012 - 02:59 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Gabey5 wrote...

so origin is not only needed to download the game, it is need to play it offline? Are you kidding me?

Sounds like it, yes. 

It's even needed if you bought a physical copy in a local store, from Amazon, or elsewhere.

[Wardka]

[inappropriate discussion removed]

At this point I'm more curious about that Open Origin client. Anyone know anything about it? I admit I haven't read through this thread since last night, today.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 18 janvier 2012 - 06:36 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Wow, I'm still here. Anyways, another question you will probabaly ignore.

Why not make the German version of Origin and its EULA the default version worldwide? Make the double opt-in the default for everyone, instead of having to go along and opt-out of everything.

I know why it wont happen, I just want to hear your reasoning why.

At that rate, why not make Origin optional on physical copies when a disk check would accomplish the copy protection function just as well. 

[snfonseka]

If EA can give Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning via Steam, why not Mass Effect 3?

[Wardka]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
What is legal, and what a content company will claim is "allowable" or file a lawsuit over, are very different things. 

Oh, obviously. It was mostly a reminder that the EULA is, in fact, not law, and can't be upheld as such.

[Furtled]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Despite your fair payment of the set price for the product you are using, and strict avoidance of causing any financial damage or cipyright damage to the business you purchased the product from... most companies would still consider such an act "high seas raiding" under the subheading of "circumventing copy protection".  If it were up to me, it would be considered fair use of a purchased product, but it's not up to me. 

Yeah, I've pretty much come to that conclusion myself so my pre-order's cancelled.

Modifié par Furtled, 18 janvier 2012 - 07:11 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Seriously, if we have a boxed copy, just let us do a disk check. Sure, there are no-DVD exes available on most games, but it's foolish to think there won't be a no Origin crack within the first 24 hours.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Yeah see, I'd laugh if it wasen't so pitiful you seem to think it's funny that Bogsnot insulted a dead man? Because I see no other reason for you parotting what I posted not 10 minutes ago in responce to him.
You think that's funny? Insulting dead people? Wow, just wow.

Oh, so for some reason, I cannot make a single negative comment about somenoe because they are dead? So, by your logic, Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong Il were saints of the highest order.

Incorrect. I am allowed to comment on how SJ treated his customers like idiots by telling them they "held their phone wrong", when it was a design flaw causing the problems. I am allowed to comment on how Apple takes other peopel patents, adds the word "phone" or the letter "i" to it, and then claims it as their own "magical innovation"

Grow up.

I always laugh sadly when someone calls Jobs or Apple "great innovators".  More like "experts at taking other people's ideas, putting them in a pretty, dumbed-down package, and marketing the hell out of them".

Anyway, I should take a break before posting more, don't want to risk the hammer for "posting too much".

[Haron50]

a question...

i install this but much people say "the program is a spyware" a question is this is real?

and i have 2 gb ram of my computer and with this i have only 1 gb,wtf.

i have error 111 in the moment of download the demo of kingdooms amalur and i disable the antivirus and now is possible download.

why only work correct whit the antivirus disable?0_o

Modifié par Haron50, 18 janvier 2012 - 03:37 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Haron50 wrote...

a question...

i install this but much people say "the program is a spyware" a question is this is real?

and i have 2 gb ram of my computer and with this i have only 1 gb,wtf.

Not really but it has the strong potential to be if EA changes the EULA...they have a clause that leaves an opening to collect certain data that could, in the future, be expanded.

[Haron50]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Haron50 wrote...

a question...

i install this but much people say "the program is a spyware" a question is this is real?

and i have 2 gb ram of my computer and with this i have only 1 gb,wtf.

Not really but it has the strong potential to be if EA changes the EULA...they have a clause that leaves an opening to collect certain data that could, in the future, be expanded.

it s normal in the moment of download the demo of kingdooms amalur appear the error 111 and need disable the antivirus for have the correct download?

why only work correct whit the antivirus disable?0_o

[billy the squid]

I hope people realise that the EULA may be altered after the final draft, but it still has to abide by the Data Protection Act and the EU Privacy Laws. This is what got EA into trouble in Europe, their EULA did nothing to reflect the actual legislation in the EU and simply would have been held as largely void in any legal action taken by EA or another party. Hence the curent ammendments.

On a slight side note, the first EULA was a  facepalm of such proportions it would have knocked anyone with a knowledge of law off their chair.

Oh, and as to the cracking issues, you do breach the terms of the contract by doing so and as such are in default breach of Copyright legislation as the IP's license is revoked. However, there has been insifficient case law at the moment to determine if the Priniciple of Exhaustion of Rights is a defence to the Copyright breach, it maybe , but things are subsequently a bit unclear on this.

Modifié par billy the squid, 18 janvier 2012 - 03:51 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Haron50 wrote...

a question...

i install this but much people say "the program is a spyware" a question is this is real?

and i have 2 gb ram of my computer and with this i have only 1 gb,wtf.

Not really but it has the strong potential to be if EA changes the EULA...they have a clause that leaves an opening to collect certain data that could, in the future, be expanded.

A gun on the table is still a gun, even if it's not loaded and not being used. 

Origin is still spyware, even if it's not currently being used to spy. 

[George89]

Well, this is a pity. Mass Effect 3 seems promising, but I will not install Origin. I still do not understand why I have to do it even with the retail copy I planned to buy.

[Killjoy Cutter]

billy the squid wrote...

I hope people realise that the EULA may be altered after the final draft, but it still has to abide by the Data Protection Act and the EU Privacy Laws. This is what got EA into trouble in Europe, their EULA did nothing to reflect the actual legislation in the EU and simply would have been held as largely void in any legal action taken by EA or another party. Hence the curent ammendments.

On a slight side note, the first EULA was a  facepalm of such proportions it would have knocked anyone with a knowledge of law off their chair.

Oh, and as to the cracking issues, you do breach the terms of the contract by doing so and as such are in default breach of Copyright legislation as the IP's license is revoked. However, there has been insifficient case law at the moment to determine if the Priniciple of Exhaustion of Rights is a defence to the Copyright breach, it maybe , but things are subsequently a bit unclear on this.

I wish the US had the same level of data protection and information privacy law as much of the EU.  This is one area in which my country is sadly lacking and backwards.

[WelshWarden]

snfonseka wrote...

If EA can give Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning via Steam, why not Mass Effect 3?

Cost/Benefit analysis probably showed that it was better for the game to be available to the 40 million users on Steam due to it being a new ip etc. If it sells well enough though, (I fully expect it to end up selling more after 6 months than ME3 on PC and likely PC+PS3 combined) it will end up being Origin exclusive on the next installment and then sell significantly less and future titles canned.

[wijse]

Just like the button was awesome! THE NEW WORD IS THAT ORIGIN = SOMETHING AWESOME will happen like origin looking at your tax and bank folders and collecting other data. It is a spyware application after all.

[eyesofastorm]

To anyone that REALLY wants to try to make a difference in this issue, I would direct you here:

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

https://www.bbb.org/...int/get-started

It wouldn't take but probably a few hundred or a thousand complaints filed in quick succession to get someone's attention. I think there are some legitimate arguments to made that Origin is detrimental to the industry, the competition, and the customers and gives entirely too much power to EA while leveraging Mass Effect 3 to force this on to customers. I'm waiting for a few more bits of information about Origin before I file my own complaints so that I might file them accurately and to the strongest effect. I would urge you to consider doing the same. The worst that could happen is nothing. At best, we get a few people REALLY investigating the legal ramifications of Origin and *maybe* get EA to give Origin a chance to earn it's way onto everyone's pcs rather than trying to force it on us. If you are interested to see what points I'll be bringing up in my complaints, PM me and I'll get back to you when I'm ready to file them.

[Aargh12]

snfonseka wrote...

If EA can give Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning via Steam, why not Mass Effect 3?

Simply put - everyone waits for ME3 and it's the best way to "promote" Origin via requiring it to run the game.

[Mister Mida]

snfonseka wrote...

If EA can give Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning via Steam, why not Mass Effect 3?

Because EA doesn't own the dev.

[wolfsite]

Honestly is there a point to continue this?


Arguing here will not solve anything since it is obvious people are firmly entrenched in there viewpoints regardless of how factual or opinionated that viewpoint is.

If you feel the need to oppose this simply do not buy the product, do not "P word" the product.  Write a formal letter stating your concerns about the client program (Business actually do take proper letters more seriously then a quick post on a forum or an E-mail).

I apologize if anyone takes offence to this but honestly all that is going here is a lot of back and forth which is de-railing the thread from it's true purpose was to give the moderators questions so they can get answers.