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[AlanC9]

Finwik wrote...

So I was in Gamestop cancelling my mass effect 3 special edition preorder, like 80 somethnig bucks. And I asked if they'd had anyone else cancel since this origin announcment and they said no. I was the only person to come back to cancel my preorder at all. For any reason.

Just thought I'd drop that in here. A real shame.

But fairly predictable.

[Doodledorf]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Finwik wrote...

So I was in Gamestop cancelling my mass effect 3 special edition preorder, like 80 somethnig bucks. And I asked if they'd had anyone else cancel since this origin announcment and they said no. I was the only person to come back to cancel my preorder at all. For any reason.

Just thought I'd drop that in here. A real shame.

I just transferred my preorder to Diablo 3.

There's two things that could be happening. People don't know or they just don't care. I don't understand why more people aren't making a mess out of this, one would think that they would've started complaining ever since BF3 became Origin exclusive. I really don't get it, is it because people don't care or because they don't know? Quite frankly I don't know which is worse. 

One of the following: 

1)  They're uninformed as to the true nature of Origin.
2)  They know, but they're willing to bite the bullet because playing a game is more important than their privacy.
3)  They know, and they don't care because they're part of the Facebook / Twitter / reality television generation, and think that other people knowing the intimate details of your life is normal or even desirable. 

I must admit and I am not ashamed of is, that I have no intention of cancelling my pre-orders.

(This will [probably] be the only reply to regard of this 'aspect' because I am not here to fight wth people just to find answers to questions I asked earlier).

I think Lumikki summarized very well when said...

"How ever we all have to understand that meaning of break of privacy can be different for different people. There is no right answer for it, because privacy is personal choice. "

The reason I quoted this is because I feel should be understood instead of attacking other people and their choices for reason mentioned above in quote, it is better to just promote own choices.

Modifié par Doodledorf, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:14 .

[Lumikki]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I really don't get it, is it because people don't care or because they don't know? Quite frankly I don't know which is worse.

I don't know, I see this happen everyday and I also don't get it.

I think people assume that freedom to make your own choices is allways guaranteed, but that's not  case. It's like people don't really think what they do, they just go with the flow, it's like personal desire is more important than principles.

I don't know is it really that they don't care  or they just don't understand what it's all about. I ques it's little like because something doesn't really affect them self, there is no really point fight for others. That's how I see it.

Of course the problem of that kind of thinking is , when they will need others, why would others fight for they cause.

But we all have free will to make our own choices, what ever they are.

Modifié par Lumikki, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:11 .

[Stanley Woo]

Doodledorf wrote...

I think Lumikki summarized very well when said...

"How ever we all have to understand that meaning of break of privacy can be different for different people. There is no right answer for it, because privacy is personal choice. "

The reason I quoted this because I feel rather than attacking other people and their choices for reason mentioned above in quote, it is better to just promote own choices without doing what I just said just now and what Lumikki said I quoted.

I also think it's better to promote your opinion and choice, and encourage others to join you. This is the way we should be debating and dealing with disagreements int he BioWare Social Network. We should not be insulting or castigating others for making their own choices or for sharing their own opinion.

Some people are very upset and frustrated over this issue, yes, and that's absolutely fair and should be discussed here. others are kind of on the fence and not really sure of what to believe or what to do about it, and that's also fair and should be discussed here, since there is a lot of information being shared in this discussion thread. Still others may have issues with Origin but are willing to accept them in order to play Mass Effect 3, and that (contrary to what some anti-Origin folk would have you believe) is still fair and still should be discussed here. Everyone's got their reasons for thinking as they do and for choosing as they do. We should be respecting those who have made a different choice, and if you happen to hold a different or opposing viewpoint, you should be disagreeing with them respectfully.

Thank you.

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Lumikki wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I really don't get it, is it because people don't care or because they don't know? Quite frankly I don't know which is worse.

I don't know, I see this happen everyday and I also don't get it.

I think people assume that freedom to make your own choices is allways guaranteed, but that's not  case. It's like people don't really think what they do, they just go with the flow, it's like personal desire is more important than principles.

I don't know is it really that they don't care  or they just don't understand what it's all about. I ques it's little like because something doesn't really affect them self, there is no really point fight for others. That's how I see it.

I can't help it, but to me Killjoy Cutter put it well into words by saying

One of the following:

1) They're uninformed as to the true nature of Origin.
2) They know, but they're willing to bite the bullet because playing a game is more important than their privacy.
3) They know, and they don't care because they're part of the Facebook / Twitter / reality television generation, and think that other people knowing the intimate details of your life is normal or even desirable.

and hit the nail on the head. Of course I was influenced by views regarding privacy of the society/country I grew up in and that it's value to be protected. Even more so with all the technology at hand. And believe me, I am not suffering from technophobia - quite the opposite. So I totally agree with you Lumikki - only collect as much data/information as is really needed.

[Doodledorf]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Doodledorf wrote...

I think Lumikki summarized very well when said...

"How ever we all have to understand that meaning of break of privacy can be different for different people. There is no right answer for it, because privacy is personal choice. "

The reason I quoted this because I feel rather than attacking other people and their choices for reason mentioned above in quote, it is better to just promote own choices without doing what I just said just now and what Lumikki said I quoted.

-snip-

This is the way we should be debating and dealing with disagreements int he BioWare Social Network. We should not be insulting or castigating others for making their own choices or for sharing their own opinion.

Everyone's got their reasons for thinking as they do and for choosing as they do. We should be respecting those who have made a different choice, and if you happen to hold a different or opposing viewpoint, you should be disagreeing with them respectfully.

Thank you.

I thought I was... 

Modifié par Doodledorf, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:50 .

[Il Divo]

Doodledorf wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Doodledorf wrote...

I think Lumikki summarized very well when said...

"How ever we all have to understand that meaning of break of privacy can be different for different people. There is no right answer for it, because privacy is personal choice. "

The reason I quoted this because I feel rather than attacking other people and their choices for reason mentioned above in quote, it is better to just promote own choices without doing what I just said just now and what Lumikki said I quoted.

-snip-

I also think it's better to promote your opinion and choice, and encourage others to join you. This is the way we should be debating and dealing with disagreements int he BioWare Social Network. We should not be insulting or castigating others for making their own choices or for sharing their own opinion.

Everyone's got their reasons for thinking as they do and for choosing as they do. We should be respecting those who have made a different choice, and if you happen to hold a different or opposing viewpoint, you should be disagreeing with them respectfully.

Thank you.

I thought I was... 

You were. He was agreeing with you.

[OperativeX]

Mistakes made by Publishers and Devs so far by introducing draconian DRM's:-

1) Spore - game was confirmed to have 3 install limit.

Result - game was leaked and cracked and illegally downloaded by more people than bought it. Note that the game was also leaked 2 days before its official release.


2) Ubisoft made Assassin's Creed 2 - constant internet connection required to play single player.

Result - hackers brought down the ubisoft servers for approximately 2 weeks. The game was also illegally downloaded and cracked within a few days of release.


3) Mass Effect 3 - Origin made mandatory for all PC versions (even DVD) and is a requirement to play both single player and multiplayer online.

Result - Semi pending; many cancelled pre-orders, many angry fans.
Predicted Result - circumvention of Origin, cracked single player and illegitamate downloads.

DO YOU REALLY WANT THIS TRAGEDY ON YOUR HANDS EA?


Remedy - Get rid of all unnecessary DRM crap and make Origin optional for DVD buyers. Then introduce a code in the game which creates an unkillable enemy unit which attacks you until you are dead. Make this code only activate when the game is cracked (similar to what Croteam did with Serious Sam 3 BFE).

Modifié par OperativeX, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:19 .

[Icinix]

Icinix wrote...

Icinix wrote...

As the game now requires Origin.

Does that mean Mass Effect 3 has done away with the traditional log onto EA within the game in order to access DLC?

Or is it still a case of a one time activiation, but if you don't log onto EA within the game, you won't have access to your DLC?

Quoting this because I love myself but also because I would love an answer to it.

Also - if it doesn't require the in game EA logon, can Origin be in offline and DLC still used without an active internet connection?

[jamesp81]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Finwik wrote...

So I was in Gamestop cancelling my mass effect 3 special edition preorder, like 80 somethnig bucks. And I asked if they'd had anyone else cancel since this origin announcment and they said no. I was the only person to come back to cancel my preorder at all. For any reason.

Just thought I'd drop that in here. A real shame.

I just transferred my preorder to Diablo 3.

There's two things that could be happening. People don't know or they just don't care. I don't understand why more people aren't making a mess out of this, one would think that they would've started complaining ever since BF3 became Origin exclusive. I really don't get it, is it because people don't care or because they don't know? Quite frankly I don't know which is worse. 

One of the following: 

1)  They're uninformed as to the true nature of Origin.
2)  They know, but they're willing to bite the bullet because playing a game is more important than their privacy.
3)  They know, and they don't care because they're part of the Facebook / Twitter / reality television generation, and think that other people knowing the intimate details of your life is normal or even desirable. 

I'm leaning towards #1 myself.

[Doodledorf]

Lumikki wrote...

it's like personal desire is more important than principles.

-snip-

But we all have free will to make our own choices, what ever they are.

I'm sorry if comes across the wrong way, I am curious what is the difference in your opinion between personal desire and the principle of personal desire for more privacy? I am coming from the standpoint of even if personal desire to play games as you mentioned earlier people have different levels of how much privacy they are happy with.

On second part that I think is something everyone agree's on. I thank you for understanding that.

[Doodledorf]

Il Divo wrote...

You were. He was agreeing with you.

Thank you, I misunderstood.

[themastakillah]

like ive already said somewhere else, ea knew that there were made a lot of preorders, so this is why they hide out, until Friday, the origin requirement. now some people probably dont know of the existence of origin and how it really works, some dont give a f anyways others dont want to cancel the preorder. i have read in the news thread that even the demo requires that ''thing''.

[Gotholhorakh]

scratch this.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:25 .

[Doodledorf]

Icinix wrote...

Icinix wrote...

As the game now requires Origin.

Does that mean Mass Effect 3 has done away with the traditional log onto EA within the game in order to access DLC?

Or is it still a case of a one time activiation, but if you don't log onto EA within the game, you won't have access to your DLC?

Quoting this because I love myself but also because I would love an answer to it.

Also - if it doesn't require the in game EA logon, can Origin be in offline and DLC still used without an active internet connection?

That for me is the main question I have too (part bolded), your one is also good regarding the DLC aspect when offline. 

Modifié par Doodledorf, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:37 .

[Akael_Bayn]

I suspect people don't know. I get that a lot of people read gaming news sites and forums and whatnot; but speaking as someone who has now posted exactly twice ever on this forum and doesn't get off on showing strangers her gamerscore or anything, my story goes like so: I heard ME3 was coming out, did a happy dance, and then got on with my life. It wasn't until I decided to do a preparatory ME1-2 runthrough that I happened to look over the ME3 page on my preferred wiki and saw the line about Origin being required.

Feel free to harass me for not doing my homework if you will; but I've got more than enough hardware to handle anything that a modern game is going to throw at me, and I simply never even considered the possibility there would be anything like Origin required.

I feel like I bought a gallon of milk and got home and found out that I couldn't drink it unless I also agree to wear an ugly hat while I do so. I don't actually care about the hat itself one way or the other, but the very fact that someone is trying to require me to do this in order to drink a glass of milk is ludicrous and offensive.

Origin or GTFO? I'm gone.

Modifié par Akael_Bayn, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:28 .

[Rudy Lis]

Doodledorf wrote...

I must admit and I am not ashamed of is, that I have no intention of cancelling my pre-orders.

That makes two of us. Or three, if Dragoonlordz is with us.

Doodledorf wrote...

That for me is the main question I have too, your one is also good regarding the DLC aspect when offline.

I don't know how exactly it will work, thats true, but considering how Steam (yeah-yeah, Steam again) treats DLCs for Steam-purchased games, or how ME2 deals with it's DLCs, I see little-to-no problem here. As long as DLC is associated with your account, it should work regardless of connection or methods of purchase. I already mention my "frankestein" ME1 with BDtS and PS, so...
And of course, life is full of surprises, so we cannot be sure.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:32 .

[Finwik]

Akael_Bayn wrote...

I suspect people don't know. I get that a lot of people read gaming news sites and forums and whatnot; but speaking as someone who has now posted exactly twice ever on this forum and doesn't get off on showing strangers her gamerscore or anything, my story goes like so: I heard ME3 was coming out, did a happy dance, and then got on with my life. It wasn't until I decided to do a preparatory ME1-2 runthrough that I happened to look over the ME3 page on my preferred wiki and saw the line about Origin being required.

Feel free to harass me for not doing my homework if you will; but I've got more than enough hardware to handle anything that a modern game is going to throw at me, and I simply never even considered the possibility there would be anything like Origin required.

I feel like I bought a gallon of milk and got home and found out that I couldn't drink it unless I also agree to wear an ugly hat while I do so. I don't actually care about the hat itself one way or the other, but the very fact that someone is trying to require me to do this in order to drink a glass of milk is ludicrous and offensive.

Origin or GTFO? I'm gone.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. :\\ I even supped up my gaming pc in anticipation.

[AlanC9]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
3)  They know, and they don't care because they're part of the Facebook / Twitter / reality television generation, and think that other people knowing the intimate details of your life is normal or even desirable.  

... or have adopted the attitudes of that generation despite not being part of it. At 47 I don't think I can honestly call myself a member of the Facebook generation.

[Lumikki]

Doodledorf wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

it's like personal desire is more important than principles.

-snip-

But we all have free will to make our own choices, what ever they are.

I'm sorry if comes across the wrong way, I am curious what is the difference in your opinion between personal desire and the principle of personal desire for more privacy? I am coming from the standpoint of even if personal desire to play games as you mentioned earlier people have different levels of how much privacy they are happy with.

On second part that I think is something everyone agree's on. I thank you for understanding that.

Okey, you understand that all this talk about Origin client is about giving every player ability play ME3?
People have different values, related privacy, but we all want to play ME3. That playing desire exist in all of us.

So, it comes what value is stronger, respect of privacy or the desire to play the game.

Now we all have free will to make choices, but people who have high value for privacy, can't play the game, because they believe principles that NO-ONE should have to give up they privacy, just to play games. So these people stand in wall and say's no to EA, we don't accept this, privacy should be everyones personal choice to make.

Some people how ever, don't value privacy so much. So small amout of lost privacy isn't issue for them. It's they choice to make and we respect it.

But need for privacy should never been issue related ability play ME3.

So, some people don't understand why others don't support this need for everyones ability play ME3. When it doesn't really hurt they choices, because they can allways play ME3. The others can't, because they principles. So, is the desire to play the game so strong that they can't support others? Delay little bit buying the game, so we all could force EA fix the issue related Origin what some people have.

So, question is do you think only for you self, because you don't have issues or do you stand with others as showing little support for they cause. Because you never know when you self could need others.

Modifié par Lumikki, 18 janvier 2012 - 10:18 .

[Finwik]

Well, no point in following the thread anymore. I did my part, canceled my game. I'm heartbroken but what can you do? I guess I'll watch Garrus on youtube, smoochin' some OTHER Shepard.

Later guys, bye Bioware.

[Evil_Weasel]

I HAVE A QUESTION
1st: What about DLC, will we have to sign in to verifiy our DLC every time we start the game?

2nd: Can I get the German version of Orogin with the opt out for data mineing and play the North American version of ME3?

Other thoughts...

Im really on the fence with the issue. Honestly, if EA wants to shove Orogin up my a...butt with ME3.... OK, I dont like it, I wish they wouldnt but I recognize their right to do so. I love my Steam, and if I have to fragment my collection for ME3... so be it, I dont like it but ok, so be it I can live with it...

What I dont like is it scaning my computer up and down for... whatever EA thinks it deserves to get to see on my computer.

Sure, Iv grown to enjoy Steam but I fully understand the desire to not "need" it for a game to work. But if EA wants to raise the price on their PC games to the same price as XBOX and PS3 games even though they dont have a liscence fee assosiated with PC and dont want to give a discount to digital versions of their own game... a purchase option that gives them the best profit ratio of any platform... fine, they can. I dont have to like it but its their right.

But why not just let people opt out of the spyware. On EAs website for which I have an account Iv opted out of being contacted by 3rd parties, but I dont think that will stop them from collecting my data and .... doing what ever they intend to do with it.

[fisuk]

Lumikki wrote...

I think people assume that freedom to make your own choices is allways guaranteed, but that's not  case. It's like people don't really think what they do, they just go with the flow, it's like personal desire is more important than principles.

I don't know is it really that they don't care  or they just don't understand what it's all about. I ques it's little like because something doesn't really affect them self, there is no really point fight for others. That's how I see it.

I do understand the point you're making, but in this case people do have a choice: don't use Origin / don't buy ME3. It's a hard one, I know, but currently that seems to be the only one. Of course that doesn't mean we shouldn't complain and ask for a change!

I commend you for your zero tolerance on data mining, it's a respectable trait, especially in this "web 2.0 social" world. The thing is, we people usually don't care about things that don't seem to be important at the time, but when those very same things come back and bite our asses, suddenly priorities change. And this is something that is not limited to privacy issues.

Nevertheless, I'd say if EA claimed the right to mine any information they want from our machines, people would revolt... I hope.

[Catlana]

 I am a fan of the Mass Effect series. I will buy Mass Effect 3 in spite of the Origin requirement. I do feel that the default should be that Origin does not gather data without a specific opt in process. For those, buying other games DOTA2 will require STEAM and Diablo 3 will require Battlenet. 

[Rudy Lis]

AlanC9 wrote...

... or have adopted the attitudes of that generation despite not being part of it. At 47 I don't think I can honestly call myself a member of the Facebook generation.

Or they from Eastern Europe and grown up during all that Stasi, KGB, "you just a small gear in great machine of advancing socialism, so know your place, little human" kind of stuff and don't believe that opposing will actually do something, when:
- PC market is minority.
- Hardcore PC gamers are minority of PC market.
- Petitions will likely fail. Ben there, Dan that - signed for bethesda petition about New Vegas, mailed them, posted in their forums, commented their blog - no avail, total ignorance, ban and wipe. Same for 1c/cenega and their counterparts (but recently only them, damned monopolists (I got a great urge to quote Ivan Dolvich here:)).
- Already have Origin, because "Evil-A" "forced" it upon them, during acquiring Pinnacle Station.
- If not reminder from "good old moderator", I could easily list actions of severals western governmental agencies, making Origin looking pale in comparison.

Of course, I really (and I mean really, not just for words) respect those, who disagree with me, as well as wish them luck in their endeavors (unless they oppose 2A) and like to ask their forgiveness for not participating in their movement.
No pun and fun intended. Sorry, if my words and actions offended someone.