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[Furtled]

Chris Priestly wrote...
5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

Would it be possible to get some clarity on this one please? It's entirely possible I'm reading that wrong/being overly sensitive, but that leaves a lot of scope for Origin to scan and transmit before any user action is taken/choices are made; never mind my personal feelings on data collection not being opt-in by default.

Thank you
(p.s. if you've already responded and I've missed it - sorry!)

Modifié par Furtled, 19 janvier 2012 - 12:51 .

[Nauks]

Furtled wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

Would it be possible to get some clarity on this one please? It's entirely possible I'm reading that wrong/being overly sensitive, but that leaves a lot of scope for Origin to scan and transmit before any user action is taken/choices are made; never mind my personal feelings on data collection not being opt-in by default.

Thank you
(p.s. if you've already responded and I've missed it - sorry!)

Which will make that option futile, since the damage has already been done.

Modifié par Nauks, 19 janvier 2012 - 12:57 .

[Rudy Lis]

Yeah, sure, if you want to hide how many times your Shepard got himself killed or get laid, than you can hide it from them (at least officially). But if you want to hide your cute kittens photos or iconic "dwarf beard porn"™ - no, no way, they want to see that too.

[Mx_CN3]

Furtled wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

Would it be possible to get some clarity on this one please? It's entirely possible I'm reading that wrong/being overly sensitive, but that leaves a lot of scope for Origin to scan and transmit before any user action is taken/choices are made; never mind my personal feelings on data collection not being opt-in by default.

Thank you
(p.s. if you've already responded and I've missed it - sorry!)

I read it as the data collection that is done by Mass Effect itself, not the data collection done by Origin.  They had it in ME2, and from what I knew of it only transmitted gameplay info (difficulty, Shepard gender, class, etc).  I could be wrong, but I think this specific question/answer has nothing to do with Origin.

[Lux]

Nauks wrote...

Furtled wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

Would it be possible to get some clarity on this one please? It's entirely possible I'm reading that wrong/being overly sensitive, but that leaves a lot of scope for Origin to scan and transmit before any user action is taken/choices are made; never mind my personal feelings on data collection not being opt-in by default.

Thank you
(p.s. if you've already responded and I've missed it - sorry!)

Which will make that option futile, since the damage has already been done.

No. There's always time to improve. I'd very much like to see an opt-out in Origin by default and an opt-in if users choose so, similar to Steam. If nothing tangible changes with Origin besides wording on the EULA (which can be changed at any time) before March I'll be canceling my pre-order too.

[Aaleel]

Mx_CN3 wrote...

Furtled wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

Would it be possible to get some clarity on this one please? It's entirely possible I'm reading that wrong/being overly sensitive, but that leaves a lot of scope for Origin to scan and transmit before any user action is taken/choices are made; never mind my personal feelings on data collection not being opt-in by default.

Thank you
(p.s. if you've already responded and I've missed it - sorry!)

I read it as the data collection that is done by Mass Effect itself, not the data collection done by Origin.  They had it in ME2, and from what I knew of it only transmitted gameplay info (difficulty, Shepard gender, class, etc).  I could be wrong, but I think this specific question/answer has nothing to do with Origin.

It doesn't, this was a blatant attempt to mislead people into mistakenly thinking that their was an Origin opt out clause.  They know what kind of data collection people are asking about.

[didymos1120]

Turryn wrote...

One small thing: mentioning EA and Valve in the same sentence is actually offensive.

Then you probably shouldn't have done it.

[Doodledorf]

didymos1120 wrote...

Turryn wrote...

One small thing: mentioning EA and Valve in the same sentence is actually offensive.

Then you probably shouldn't have done it.

Touché 

[Il Divo]

didymos1120 wrote...

Turryn wrote...

One small thing: mentioning EA and Valve in the same sentence is actually offensive.

Then you probably shouldn't have done it.

And didymos with the zinger. Well-played.

[Lux]

I'd advise anyone who think Origin's data extraction without express consent from the user to be a problem to say so over at the Origin forum. There's already a thread open on the issue. Your opinion matters and the more doing so, the better.

Please allow an opt-in/opt-out mechanism with opt-out as the default option. This is nothing new and similar to what Steam already does. You can always provide incentives to users to opt-in if they choose so. You can't expect customers in good faith to accept a service that extracts information without express consent from the user.

I was looking forward to purchase and play ME3 but WILL NOT until Origin offers better transparency. The same goes to any other game that requires Origin to play.

Modifié par Merkar, 19 janvier 2012 - 02:00 .

[Travie]

Thanks Merkar.

[Mallissin]

JUST STAB HIM IN THE EYE AND GET IT OVER WITH!!

Sheesh.

[CSunkyst]

Well, I'd say I cancelled my pre-order, but I never actually made it in anticipation of some such DRM nonsense.

This is juct sickening. [inappropriate comments removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 19 janvier 2012 - 04:10 .

[ArkkAngel007]

[inappropriate post removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 19 janvier 2012 - 04:10 .

[Lux]

On the flip side of the issue, here's some interesting info by an EA dev regarding Origin and hard disk scanning:

Origin not required in ME3? Good news. But how do you know that?

Well you're not restricted to only using Origin and you never have, I've been working on an open-source GPLv3 version of Origin since Christmas to showcase the Rupture API that Origin was designed and built around, You'll have choice of which client you want to use either it be Origin, Open-Origin or other derivatives of the software.

http://openorigin.sourceforge.net/

Origin does not search hard drive? Process Explorer says something else.

I'm also the Director of Operations and developer for Process Hacker. A very, very advanced utility compared to the features of Process Explorer.

Personally, I would say you're not experienced enough with the internals of Windows to be able to accurately understand the information presented by Process Explorer (let alone Process Hacker) to know what a process is actually doing.

http://processhacker.sourceforge.net/

If Origin was scanning your hard-drive, I defiantly would be having words with the Origin team :wink:

Modifié par Merkar, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:20 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

More smoke and mirrors from that EA dev regarding the behavior of Origin.

[kirvingtwo]

I don't believe the guy is legit. Why would he say that Origin isn't required for Mass Effect 3?

Modifié par kirvingtwo, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:26 .

[Lux]

kirvingtwo wrote...

I don't believe the guy is legit. Why would he say that Origin isn't required for Mass Effect 3?

He's referring to the Open Origin project he's been working on but hasn't been released yet.

EDIT: He also wasn't aware Origin was necessary with ME3 up to that moment... Now he knows. XD

Here's more information from the same dev:

I'm aware of that info, there's quite a few
videos on youtube showing what Origin was doing at the time, I wasn't
with EA back then but when I checked Origin using my own software it did
look like a bug with the Windows API (FindFirstFileEx) that caused it
to enumerate the entire filesystem instead of Origin's own folders.



Most of it was media hipe around that stupid bug, The media
completely replied upon Process Monitor (and the explanations of
unqualified users) which doesn't show the API used or the parameters
(that showed it was a bug), there was also zero scree-shots or qualified
analysis of Origin ever uploading anything and you'll notice none of
the big names of the tech world even bothered to mention or run a story
(Mike Russinovich, Paul Thurrott, ZdNet, Neowin etc..) which says
something about what they discovered when looking into it.

Modifié par Merkar, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:34 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

I posted a comment in the EA forums about Origin. Same basics, not buying any software that requires me to so much as look at Origin, end of story.

[kirvingtwo]

@Merkar - Yes I read all that yesterday. I still do not believe he is legit.

Modifié par kirvingtwo, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:33 .

[Vasparian]

Valve is one of the most beloved developers on the planet, with a run of games unrivaled for innovation and quality.  It is also a fantastic place to work, prizes innovation above experience, has consistantly been on the right side of all the piracy commentary, empowered indie developers through their new distribution model and opposes SOPA.


It's been nice knowing you Bioware, so long and thanks for all the good times.

Except when the head of valve bashes an entire platform as substandard, then gets paid a bunch of money to change his mind right? You can be delusional all you want, just don't try and pretend Vave is anything more than a company out to make a buck. 

[Vasparian]

[inappropriate post removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 19 janvier 2012 - 04:12 .

[Mitchumas]

It seams to me that EA does not know the FULL fuctions of Origin... EA say that they done test and came up with nothing, that with their result it does not scan outside the Origin system file/ folders... Has test been done by a 3rd party, by someone outside of EA and Origin? or is this all just a part of some mass cover-up? personally I still don't want the junk on my PC, they haven't covinced me of jack [Sparrow]

[No swearing, please.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 19 janvier 2012 - 04:13 .

[Lux]

kirvingtwo wrote...

@Merkar - Yes I read all that yesterday. I still do not believe he is legit.

For a company like EA, the problem is that there's one too many people working on and deciding how a product gets delivered to the public. I'm sure the execs have a different idea from programmers on how a product should be delivered. I believe that the dev in question had/has good intentions and his statements seem sound to me.

However, it's not the individual people working at EA we need to concern about (I'm sure they're all nice people) but the sum of its parts and the outcome of all that messing around with a product. The fact is that Origin does not offer the consumer any assurances besides wording from the EULA on data extraction. That can always change... for the worse. If they place a specific mechanism to the privacy concern (opt-out/opt-in) then we'd have that assurance.

Modifié par Merkar, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:56 .

[Doodledorf]

Merkar wrote...

kirvingtwo wrote...

I don't believe the guy is legit. Why would he say that Origin isn't required for Mass Effect 3?

He's referring to the Open Origin project he's been working on but hasn't been released yet.

EDIT: He also wasn't aware Origin was necessary with ME3 up to that moment... Now he knows. XD

Here's more information from the same dev:

I'm aware of that info, there's quite a few
videos on youtube showing what Origin was doing at the time, I wasn't
with EA back then but when I checked Origin using my own software it did
look like a bug with the Windows API (FindFirstFileEx) that caused it
to enumerate the entire filesystem instead of Origin's own folders.

Most of it was media hipe around that stupid bug, The media
completely replied upon Process Monitor (and the explanations of
unqualified users) which doesn't show the API used or the parameters
(that showed it was a bug), there was also zero scree-shots or qualified
analysis of Origin ever uploading anything and you'll notice none of
the big names of the tech world even bothered to mention or run a story
(Mike Russinovich, Paul Thurrott, ZdNet, Neowin etc..) which says
something about what they discovered when looking into it.

Having read more of his posts including in the latter part of the EULA thread, he certainly seems to have the (technical knowledge) to know what he is talking about. People have verified on here from what I read that it does not search outside Origin folders (anymore) which backs up his statement. 

Whether of not people believe him is an individuals choice to make and they have the right to do so.

I also believe it is a companies right whether to supply their own products with software, DLC and extras or not. But I do support (verbally) a Opt In/Opt Out function within the client even if I have no intention of using such function myself. I will not be cancelling my pre-order for reasons stated here.

Modifié par Doodledorf, 19 janvier 2012 - 04:42 .