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[Morty Smith]

Even if **** will change after this dicussion, people can at least form an opinion on the matter to agree or disagree to support Origin.

I won´t support a focus-group feeding tool that might reflect my playstyle, but not my own opinion on the game. Go fiddle your knobkerrie EA.

[Aliens Crew]

@Furtied

Do you think, you get one? Fine.

I have a question, too.

Why is origin required to play the SP-Part of ME 3?

Modifié par Aliens Crew, 19 janvier 2012 - 02:09 .

[Mitchumas]

Furtled wrote...

@Aliens Crew
@didymos1120
@Dovahzaan

Guys can I politely ask that this stops please? I appreciate both sides of the discussion but it doesn't help get an official response that I can take to the ICO as part of a complaint.

Thanks

Now that you said your making a complaint to the ICO you won't be getting an answer... EA protects Origin, you think they want people looking into it's operation more than they have?

and yeah Chris maybe posting what he is told to post by his higher up's, he other posts what he is told or he looses his job... Just like we are told to install dodgy Origin or we don't play ME3... If he tells the truth or what he would rather then he will more than likely loose his job...

There is always a choice... but we might not like the end result...

[Killjoy Cutter]

Wittand25 wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

It is enough to see the same people who complain about the Origin EULA having either ME2 or DA2 in their Bioware profile really (hint all the phrases that are considert problematic in the Origin EULA are in the EULA of those two games as well).

ME2 I got it from Steam and it uses Steam's DRM.
DA2 I got it from Origin but it does not require Origin to play but I have since uninstalled Origin and DA2.

With BF3, EA has introduced the need to have Origin running in the background ALL THE TIME (which is a step back from user friendliness IMO) and the same policy has been adopted for ME3.

That is not the point.
I bought both games as boxed copies. The EULA(s) of both games include all the phrases that now are given as a reason why the Origin EULA is supposed to be unacceptable.
So anyone who had bought and installed those two games either has not read an EULA in the past and likely does not do it today either or did not see any problem with it until the games vanished from Steam.

Have the actual games ever been caught red-handed sifting through the general contents of customer's computers? 

Has it ever occured to you that people read the EULAs and clicked AGREE reluctantly, and that the Origin requirement and Origin's behavior is the last straw, and we've decided we're not compromising or giving in any more? 

Has it ever occured to you that people can be pushed too damn far?

[wolfsite]

Mitchumas wrote...

Furtled wrote...

@Aliens Crew
@didymos1120
@Dovahzaan

Guys can I politely ask that this stops please? I appreciate both sides of the discussion but it doesn't help get an official response that I can take to the ICO as part of a complaint.

Thanks

Now that you said your making a complaint to the ICO you won't be getting an answer... EA protects Origin, you think they want people looking into it's operation more than they have?

and yeah Chris maybe posting what he is told to post by his higher up's, he other posts what he is told or he looses his job... Just like we are told to install dodgy Origin or we don't play ME3... If he tells the truth or what he would rather then he will more than likely loose his job...

There is always a choice... but we might not like the end result...

Seriously with this type of thinking why do you even want answers if you will just dismiss them if they do not fit your opinion of what the program is.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Mungrul wrote...

I just thought I'd chime in here.
I own Mass Effect on both 360 and PC, and ME2 on all 3 platforms.
Due to EA aggressively forcing an unwanted digital distribution platform down my throat on PC and the implementation of multiplayer purely because everything is multiplayer these days, I will not be buying ME3 on any platform.

Furthermore, I will not be buying another EA game until they abandon Origin.

EA's history regarding ongoing support for older games leads me to believe that all products released on Origin will have a finite lifespan, resulting in me being unable to play the games I've bought in the future. I'm talking about how in the past, EA have killed off multiplayer servers for old games when new ones in the series were due out. I can only see this getting worse as EA attempt to prioritise new releases on Origin.

Sorry Bioware, but that's what happens when you get into bed with the devil.

Lesson:  never buy a product that requires ongoing support from a specific outside entity just to keep functioning.  Specifically, never buy software that only works until the moment the seller stops supporting it. 

[Mitchumas]

wolfsite wrote...

Mitchumas wrote...

Furtled wrote...

@Aliens Crew
@didymos1120
@Dovahzaan

Guys can I politely ask that this stops please? I appreciate both sides of the discussion but it doesn't help get an official response that I can take to the ICO as part of a complaint.

Thanks

Now that you said your making a complaint to the ICO you won't be getting an answer... EA protects Origin, you think they want people looking into it's operation more than they have?

and yeah Chris maybe posting what he is told to post by his higher up's, he other posts what he is told or he looses his job... Just like we are told to install dodgy Origin or we don't play ME3... If he tells the truth or what he would rather then he will more than likely loose his job...

There is always a choice... but we might not like the end result...

Seriously with this type of thinking why do you even want answers if you will just dismiss them if they do not fit your opinion of what the program is.

you recon mines bad... maybe you should go back and read all of this forum and the one before it before you start thinking you know what your talking about... I've been asking my questions... and as yet, like the others before me... still no answers... My opinion has been made from the lack of info...

[Killjoy Cutter]

Moondoggie wrote...

rooky91 wrote...

The main thing I hate about this is that, say in 10 years in want to reinstall MY copy of the game that I have lying around and something has happened to Origin, or got forbid I have no internet connection, I can't play my game! MY game.
I won't be buy the PC version anymore, thats for sure. Good thing I have a ps3.

EA has been around for three decades i think they can manage another lol. And Origin is in their plans for the long term. Nobody is going to be like "okay we are shutting down Origin so nobody can play Origin based games anymore" just like Valve won't be doing that with Steam.

And honestly in 10 years it'll be harder not to have an internet connection than it will be to have one no matter where you are. Well unless you want to use the internet in the middle of the Amazon Rainforrest or something.

Your vision of an uberconnected future... LoL.

Your trust in EA to keep "allowing" customers to play their purchased games... LoL.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Lumikki wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Icinix wrote...

For ME2, DAO, DA2, if you didn't log onto EA within the game (no internet etc), any save games wouldn't load with DLC. Any new games you started wouldn't have the DLC until you logged back onto EA within the game.

At least, I never encountered a situation where I could not log on, but still had access to DLC.

Strange... I'm able to play DA:O and ME2 DLC while offline once they are authenticated. That is when I play them from my laptop while on travel and don't have net connection. I usually have my desktop always connected.

Yeah, me neither.  I haven't logged on with ME2 in ages.

Do you have DLC installed?

Because without DLC those games can be played on PC without internet connection. How ever, if You have DLC installed game would refuse to start without internet connection. Because it does DRM check for DLC's.

Only the first time after they're installed, as far as I've seen on my install of ME2.

[sackyhack]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Mungrul wrote...

I just thought I'd chime in here.
I own Mass Effect on both 360 and PC, and ME2 on all 3 platforms.
Due to EA aggressively forcing an unwanted digital distribution platform down my throat on PC and the implementation of multiplayer purely because everything is multiplayer these days, I will not be buying ME3 on any platform.

Furthermore, I will not be buying another EA game until they abandon Origin.

EA's history regarding ongoing support for older games leads me to believe that all products released on Origin will have a finite lifespan, resulting in me being unable to play the games I've bought in the future. I'm talking about how in the past, EA have killed off multiplayer servers for old games when new ones in the series were due out. I can only see this getting worse as EA attempt to prioritise new releases on Origin.

Sorry Bioware, but that's what happens when you get into bed with the devil.

Lesson:  never buy a product that requires ongoing support from a specific outside entity just to keep functioning.  Specifically, never buy software that only works until the moment the seller stops supporting it. 

Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion of Fallout New Vegas requiring Steam?

[Killjoy Cutter]

sackyhack wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Mungrul wrote...

I just thought I'd chime in here.
I own Mass Effect on both 360 and PC, and ME2 on all 3 platforms.
Due to EA aggressively forcing an unwanted digital distribution platform down my throat on PC and the implementation of multiplayer purely because everything is multiplayer these days, I will not be buying ME3 on any platform.

Furthermore, I will not be buying another EA game until they abandon Origin.

EA's history regarding ongoing support for older games leads me to believe that all products released on Origin will have a finite lifespan, resulting in me being unable to play the games I've bought in the future. I'm talking about how in the past, EA have killed off multiplayer servers for old games when new ones in the series were due out. I can only see this getting worse as EA attempt to prioritise new releases on Origin.

Sorry Bioware, but that's what happens when you get into bed with the devil.

Lesson:  never buy a product that requires ongoing support from a specific outside entity just to keep functioning.  Specifically, never buy software that only works until the moment the seller stops supporting it.

Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion of Fallout New Vegas requiring Steam?

I don't buy or install games that require Steam.  I've skipped several games -- games I really wanted to try -- because of Steam, including DoW2 and Space Marine, and SI Game's Football Manager 2012. 

[OperativeX]

I get that Origin is here to stay. It has been here since 2007 already (known as EADM). I don't mind that it exists. I just don't want it to be MANDATORY. Unless they give us a functional way of backing our game library up that doesn't cost you an activation when you re-install from said backup.

Steam already offers that. Why can't [bleeping] Origin?

[No swearing, please.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 19 janvier 2012 - 06:16 .

[sackyhack]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...


I don't buy or install games that require Steam.  I've skipped several games -- games I really wanted to try -- because of Steam, including DoW2 and Space Marine, and SI Game's Football Manager 2012. 

Hmm, I completely disagree with your stance but the fact that you're sticking to your principles and not just ragging on EA like most other people here is respectable.  Godspeed.

[Metalrocks]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I don't buy or install games that require Steam.  I've skipped several games -- games I really wanted to try -- because of Steam, including DoW2 and Space Marine, and SI Game's Football Manager 2012. 

thats all fine that you insist to play games that dont require any third party programms, i can respect that, but you sure miss a lot of good games llike:

the half life series, amnesia the dark decent, limbo, hard reset, Q.U.B.E and many more.
hell, you can even play the orginal doom games and it uses a program that you can play them on todays systems.
great offers during holiday sales.
so many developers use steam because its cheaper for them to release their games digitally for the whole world then bringing out retail versions which costs  them so much more money.

just to let you know how it really is with steam. im not here to convince you.

Modifié par Metalrocks, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:41 .

[Wittand25]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Have the actual games ever been caught red-handed sifting through the general contents of customer's computers? 

Has it ever occured to you that people read the EULAs and clicked AGREE reluctantly, and that the Origin requirement and Origin's behavior is the last straw, and we've decided we're not compromising or giving in any more? 

Has it ever occured to you that people can be pushed too damn far?

Has Origin ever been caught ? I have not seen anything that would prove that (Please do not bring up the ProgramData screen shots I am tired of explaining them). That Origin scans the whole hard-drive is a myth started by the misinterpretation of the behavior of early versions, that has been corrected.

I am totally fine with people who actually care about such topics and who refuse to use game managers like Steam and Origin on principle. I might not agree totally with them, though I have to agree with many complaints regarding the services which have many disadvantges for the customer.
What I find rather amusing is those who complain loudly about privacy here only to rush to the next best online petition to hand out their name, address, emailaddress, the results of their last colonoscopy and whatever else the petition site wants from them.

[Mister Mida]

Metalrocks wrote...

so many developers use steam because its cheaper for them to release their games digitally for the whole world then bringing out retail versions which costs  them so much more money.

There are more digital retailers than Steam (who don't use clients). And you can get Amnesia from GamersGate without the Steam thing.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:47 .

[Metalrocks]

Mister Mida wrote...

Metalrocks wrote...

so many developers use steam because its cheaper for them to release their games digitally for the whole world then bringing out retail versions which costs  them so much more money.

There are more digital retailers than Steam (who don't use clients). And you can get Amnesia from GamersGate without the Steam thing.

i know. i was just mentioning it how steam is.

[themastakillah]

Wittand25 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Have the actual games ever been caught red-handed sifting through the general contents of customer's computers? 

Has it ever occured to you that people read the EULAs and clicked AGREE reluctantly, and that the Origin requirement and Origin's behavior is the last straw, and we've decided we're not compromising or giving in any more? 

Has it ever occured to you that people can be pushed too damn far?

Has Origin ever been caught ? I have not seen anything that would prove that (Please do not bring up the ProgramData screen shots I am tired of explaining them). That Origin scans the whole hard-drive is a myth started by the misinterpretation of the behavior of early versions, that has been corrected.

I am totally fine with people who actually care about such topics and who refuse to use game managers like Steam and Origin on principle. I might not agree totally with them, though I have to agree with many complaints regarding the services which have many disadvantges for the customer.
What I find rather amusing is those who complain loudly about privacy here only to rush to the next best online petition to hand out their name, address, emailaddress, the results of their last colonoscopy and whatever else the petition site wants from them.

put it this way; i would buy me3 mostly for the single player campaign and for the story. why would i need origin installed on my pc if it will only be used once? simple question no? u see this i the point, we dont know the reason. they could have said this instead: the origin installation is optional but if u wanna play the multiplayer its a requisite. i knew that adding the multiplayer component to the game will only bring trouble. <_<

[Xyos]

We all have a giant loyal following to Steam for GOOD reason. Their continuing effort to support PC gaming throughout the worst of the console years, their amazing deals, great features (friends, community, screenshots, in-game overlay/browser), etc. When a company treats its customers like Steam does it gets a big following. I would take any claim of not getting the game unless its on Steam a BIG threat because we all really do mean it. We love Steam and nothing will replace it.

Im happy to give any publisher my money for a PC game, but ONLY if its through steam. If you dont sell it on Steam you will lose sales. If you like money and want more sales use steam.

[Mister Mida]

Xyos wrote...

We all have a giant loyal following to Steam for GOOD reason. Their continuing effort to support PC gaming throughout the worst of the console years, their amazing deals, great features (friends, community, screenshots, in-game overlay/browser), etc. When a company treats its customers like Steam does it gets a big following. I would take any claim of not getting the game unless its on Steam a BIG threat because we all really do mean it. We love Steam and nothing will replace it.

Speak for yourself. I dislike Steam as much as I do Origin.

[Michel1986]

Mister Mida wrote...

Xyos wrote...

We all have a giant loyal following to Steam for GOOD reason. Their continuing effort to support PC gaming throughout the worst of the console years, their amazing deals, great features (friends, community, screenshots, in-game overlay/browser), etc. When a company treats its customers like Steam does it gets a big following. I would take any claim of not getting the game unless its on Steam a BIG threat because we all really do mean it. We love Steam and nothing will replace it.

Speak for yourself. I dislike Steam as much as I do Origin.

Same here ! BOYCOTT THIS GAME !!!!

:sick: Origin = Spyware, we know it and so does EA. Why on earth does Chris say it's not ?

SALES WILL DROP!

[Wittand25]

themastakillah wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Have the actual games ever been caught red-handed sifting through the general contents of customer's computers? 

Has it ever occured to you that people read the EULAs and clicked AGREE reluctantly, and that the Origin requirement and Origin's behavior is the last straw, and we've decided we're not compromising or giving in any more? 

Has it ever occured to you that people can be pushed too damn far?

Has Origin ever been caught ? I have not seen anything that would prove that (Please do not bring up the ProgramData screen shots I am tired of explaining them). That Origin scans the whole hard-drive is a myth started by the misinterpretation of the behavior of early versions, that has been corrected.

I am totally fine with people who actually care about such topics and who refuse to use game managers like Steam and Origin on principle. I might not agree totally with them, though I have to agree with many complaints regarding the services which have many disadvantges for the customer.
What I find rather amusing is those who complain loudly about privacy here only to rush to the next best online petition to hand out their name, address, emailaddress, the results of their last colonoscopy and whatever else the petition site wants from them.

put it this way; i would buy me3 mostly for the single player campaign and for the story. why would i need origin installed on my pc if it will only be used once? simple question no? u see this i the point, we dont know the reason. they could have said this instead: the origin installation is optional but if u wanna play the multiplayer its a requisite. i knew that adding the multiplayer component to the game will only bring trouble. <_<

Origin handles the DRM (I know bad word) that is no secret and never has been. As such it does seem logical that Origin needs to remain on the PC. EA´s version of DRM allows the game to be installed on an unlimited amount of PCs (Ubisoft currently allows three before you have beg the support for more), so making Origin optional is the same as saying that the game should come without DRM because in that case you could install and start the game on as many computers as you would like simultaneously without any consequences.

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Wittand25 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Have the actual games ever been caught red-handed sifting through the general contents of customer's computers? 

Has it ever occured to you that people read the EULAs and clicked AGREE reluctantly, and that the Origin requirement and Origin's behavior is the last straw, and we've decided we're not compromising or giving in any more? 

Has it ever occured to you that people can be pushed too damn far?

Has Origin ever been caught ? I have not seen anything that would prove that (Please do not bring up the ProgramData screen shots I am tired of explaining them). That Origin scans the whole hard-drive is a myth started by the misinterpretation of the behavior of early versions, that has been corrected.

I am totally fine with people who actually care about such topics and who refuse to use game managers like Steam and Origin on principle. I might not agree totally with them, though I have to agree with many complaints regarding the services which have many disadvantges for the customer.
What I find rather amusing is those who complain loudly about privacy here only to rush to the next best online petition to hand out their name, address, emailaddress, the results of their last colonoscopy and whatever else the petition site wants from them.

Referring to bolded bit: I assume it's only a matter of time until some information about he encrypted traffic which Origin produces will leak out somewhere on the internet. Remains to be seen whether it'll solely be containing login data, hardware information and software information ONLY related to the according Origin requiring game or whether there is going to be found more inside. Unfortunately the additonal information will most likely be "cryptic" tags rather than plain text. Anyhow - time will tell.

[themastakillah]

Wittand25 wrote...

themastakillah wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Have the actual games ever been caught red-handed sifting through the general contents of customer's computers? 

Has it ever occured to you that people read the EULAs and clicked AGREE reluctantly, and that the Origin requirement and Origin's behavior is the last straw, and we've decided we're not compromising or giving in any more? 

Has it ever occured to you that people can be pushed too damn far?

Has Origin ever been caught ? I have not seen anything that would prove that (Please do not bring up the ProgramData screen shots I am tired of explaining them). That Origin scans the whole hard-drive is a myth started by the misinterpretation of the behavior of early versions, that has been corrected.

I am totally fine with people who actually care about such topics and who refuse to use game managers like Steam and Origin on principle. I might not agree totally with them, though I have to agree with many complaints regarding the services which have many disadvantges for the customer.
What I find rather amusing is those who complain loudly about privacy here only to rush to the next best online petition to hand out their name, address, emailaddress, the results of their last colonoscopy and whatever else the petition site wants from them.

put it this way; i would buy me3 mostly for the single player campaign and for the story. why would i need origin installed on my pc if it will only be used once? simple question no? u see this i the point, we dont know the reason. they could have said this instead: the origin installation is optional but if u wanna play the multiplayer its a requisite. i knew that adding the multiplayer component to the game will only bring trouble. <_<

Origin handles the DRM (I know bad word) that is no secret and never has been. As such it does seem logical that Origin needs to remain on the PC. EA´s version of DRM allows the game to be installed on an unlimited amount of PCs (Ubisoft currently allows three before you have beg the support for more), so making Origin optional is the same as saying that the game should come without DRM because in that case you could install and start the game on as many computers as you would like simultaneously without any consequences.

i know that,
but what happened to cd keys and online activation?

[Travie]

Aliens Crew wrote...

@didymos1120

How about telling the truth?

BioWare always claims they are independet from EA. So, is this also a lie?

Huh? When did they ever say that? From what I read they openly joked that when people criticize EA (after the DA2 fiasco) it was rediculous because they are now the same company with much of the same staff. 

EA even opened new studios with the Bioware name when the original Bioware staff has almost nothing to do with them.