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[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Wittand25 wrote...

themastakillah wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Have the actual games ever been caught red-handed sifting through the general contents of customer's computers? 

Has it ever occured to you that people read the EULAs and clicked AGREE reluctantly, and that the Origin requirement and Origin's behavior is the last straw, and we've decided we're not compromising or giving in any more? 

Has it ever occured to you that people can be pushed too damn far?

Has Origin ever been caught ? I have not seen anything that would prove that (Please do not bring up the ProgramData screen shots I am tired of explaining them). That Origin scans the whole hard-drive is a myth started by the misinterpretation of the behavior of early versions, that has been corrected.

I am totally fine with people who actually care about such topics and who refuse to use game managers like Steam and Origin on principle. I might not agree totally with them, though I have to agree with many complaints regarding the services which have many disadvantges for the customer.
What I find rather amusing is those who complain loudly about privacy here only to rush to the next best online petition to hand out their name, address, emailaddress, the results of their last colonoscopy and whatever else the petition site wants from them.

put it this way; i would buy me3 mostly for the single player campaign and for the story. why would i need origin installed on my pc if it will only be used once? simple question no? u see this i the point, we dont know the reason. they could have said this instead: the origin installation is optional but if u wanna play the multiplayer its a requisite. i knew that adding the multiplayer component to the game will only bring trouble. <_<

Origin handles the DRM (I know bad word) that is no secret and never has been. As such it does seem logical that Origin needs to remain on the PC. EA´s version of DRM allows the game to be installed on an unlimited amount of PCs (Ubisoft currently allows three before you have beg the support for more), so making Origin optional is the same as saying that the game should come without DRM because in that case you could install and start the game on as many computers as you would like simultaneously without any consequences.

Hehe. Wow. So how do you think that DRM had a chance of being present on this planet before the days of Origin?! 

#Edit: few words removed

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 19 janvier 2012 - 04:22 .

[wolfsite]

Mitchumas wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Mitchumas wrote...

Furtled wrote...

@Aliens Crew
@didymos1120
@Dovahzaan

Guys can I politely ask that this stops please? I appreciate both sides of the discussion but it doesn't help get an official response that I can take to the ICO as part of a complaint.

Thanks

Now that you said your making a complaint to the ICO you won't be getting an answer... EA protects Origin, you think they want people looking into it's operation more than they have?

and yeah Chris maybe posting what he is told to post by his higher up's, he other posts what he is told or he looses his job... Just like we are told to install dodgy Origin or we don't play ME3... If he tells the truth or what he would rather then he will more than likely loose his job...

There is always a choice... but we might not like the end result...

Seriously with this type of thinking why do you even want answers if you will just dismiss them if they do not fit your opinion of what the program is.

you recon mines bad... maybe you should go back and read all of this forum and the one before it before you start thinking you know what your talking about... I've been asking my questions... and as yet, like the others before me... still no answers... My opinion has been made from the lack of info...

Again my apologies, reading that text falt did imply something but it was obviously not what you were intending and thus that I should have made that comment appear that it was reffering to more people and not you specifically........... man I do great in face to face debates but go to a forum and it's foot in mouth syndrome.

[igneous.sponge]

Chris, thanks for clearing up the confusion and getting some answers to our questions. It's very much appreciated.

Along with others here, I would also like to know whether the Origin client is required to run in the background in order for the game to play; or if we need only have the client installed and will be able to run the game directly from the launcher, as was the case with ME1/2.

Thanks.

[Lux]

[quote]OperativeX wrote...

I get that Origin is here to stay. It has been here since 2007 already (known as EADM). I don't mind that it exists. I just don't want it to be MANDATORY. Unless they give us a functional way of backing our game library up that doesn't cost you an activation when you re-install from said backup.

Steam already offers that. Why can't [woohoo] Origin?[/quote]

You can now install as many times you like. A number of installs doesn't matter anymore since you'd always need to authenticate your username and password with Origin (as Steam does). This makes EA a "tad" better than say Activision.

As for backing up, here's a tidbit of information I got from when they were changing things from EADM to Origin. I believe this is still in place (and again, similar to what Steam does):

[quote]
From this thread: http://forum.ea.com/...st/5595887.page#13448058



By EA_mikenoface:



"Download in
place" or "DiP" for short.



[The game directory can simply be copied/moved to another place and registry keys recreated]



3. Once the files are on the other computer in the directory where
you normally install your games, navigate to the directory called
"__Installer\\DISK1".

4. Find the EASetup.exe file and run it. Running this file will
create the proper registry keys you need for the game to be detected and
launch properly from EADM.

 
[/quote]

Even if they've changed things further, a game backup is pretty much standard for this sort of managers / DRM.

I'm not against the system on principle. It's how they deliver that needs improvement, IMO.

[quote edited]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 19 janvier 2012 - 06:19 .

[Veleric]

The biggest annoyance I have right now is the fact that if I buy a physical copy of ME3 I am still required to use Origin. My entire purpose in getting a physical copy for PC is because most DRM is validated by the disk some how.

I am being left with a choice of downloading some 3rd party software that I do not want and that is what is making me consider if I want to continue supporting EA / Bioware.

[Wittand25]

themastakillah wrote...
i know that,
but what happened to cd keys and online activation?

Disk checks seem rather impractical in a market were digital distribution is growing every year. No disk nothing to check after all.
And Origin is a form of online activation, only the activation get´s outsourced from the game to the game manager which in theory should lead to fewer problems for both publisher and customer( of course in practice this is not always true).

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

igneous.sponge wrote...

Chris, thanks for clearing up the confusion and getting some answers to our questions. It's very much appreciated.

Along with others here, I would also like to know whether the Origin client is required to run in the background in order for the game to play; or if we need only have the client installed and will be able to run the game directly from the launcher, as was the case with ME1/2.

Thanks.

Yep. Good question, which already had been asked numerous times.

As Chris is apparently let down by those providing the answers, looking at how long they make him wait to come up with answers, which he is trying to get answered for us, I start wondering whether there are other, more direct, channels of getting into touch with those having all the knowledge about the beloved Origin. Should we send faxes (letters are a bit too vintageesque I assume) as most likely, if at all, e-mails will be answered with templates not really providing satisfying answers?! 

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Wittand25 wrote...

themastakillah wrote...
i know that,
but what happened to cd keys and online activation?

Disk checks seem rather impractical in a market were digital distribution is growing every year. No disk nothing to check after all.
And Origin is a form of online activation, only the activation get´s outsourced from the game to the game manager which in theory should lead to fewer problems for both publisher and customer( of course in practice this is not always true).

I prefer to remain in control of the things I bought and prefer not having to rely on some digital download platform. Internet outtage, want to play a game which is not installed, don't have the DVD but only login data to a service which you can't connect to and your effed in the a.

[Lux]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

As Chris is apparently let down by those providing the answers, looking at how long they make him wait to come up with answers, which he is trying to get answered for us, I start wondering whether there are other, more direct, channels of getting into touch with those having all the knowledge about the beloved Origin. Should we send faxes (letters are a bit too vintageesque I assume) as most likely, if at all, e-mails will be answered with templates not really providing satisfying answers?! 

I'm pretty sure Chris is making an enormous effort on getting answers from devs in between playing SWTOR and ME3.


Anyway, we wouldn't be getting answers any faster than them. BW and Origin ppl are probably figuring things out themselves on how to best configure ME3 with Orign.

[Bostur]

Wittand25 wrote...

themastakillah wrote...
i know that,
but what happened to cd keys and online activation?

Disk checks seem rather impractical in a market were digital distribution is growing every year. No disk nothing to check after all.
And Origin is a form of online activation, only the activation get´s outsourced from the game to the game manager which in theory should lead to fewer problems for both publisher and customer( of course in practice this is not always true).

I imagine the boxed copy does have a disk. It seems rather impractical to me to install a digital distribution client, and create an account in addition to installing the game from disk. Especially if every publisher decides to do that, we will have many DD clients and accounts to handle.

[themastakillah]

Wittand25 wrote...

themastakillah wrote...
i know that,
but what happened to cd keys and online activation?

Disk checks seem rather impractical in a market were digital distribution is growing every year. No disk nothing to check after all.
And Origin is a form of online activation, only the activation get´s outsourced from the game to the game manager which in theory should lead to fewer problems for both publisher and customer( of course in practice this is not always true).

sorry but thats all bs. cerberus network was enough/an online activation was enogh. look at what happened to ubifail for using that invasive drm, they sales on pc are like 90/95% down (wow thats terrible i know but i dont give a f) and that drm wasnt even a  spyware program like origin, but 'only' for the fact that was requiring permanent internet connection(even for the single player) was too much. will see what happens to me3. probably most people are buying the game anywayz and do not care about origin, but me?! im saving 80 bucks for better days....

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

# double post removed

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 19 janvier 2012 - 05:26 .

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Merkar wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

As Chris is apparently let down by those providing the answers, looking at how long they make him wait to come up with answers, which he is trying to get answered for us, I start wondering whether there are other, more direct, channels of getting into touch with those having all the knowledge about the beloved Origin. Should we send faxes (letters are a bit too vintageesque I assume) as most likely, if at all, e-mails will be answered with templates not really providing satisfying answers?! 

I'm pretty sure Chris is making an enormous effort on getting answers from devs in between playing SWTOR and ME3.


Anyway, we wouldn't be getting answers any faster than them. BW and Origin ppl are probably figuring things out themselves on how to best configure ME3 with Orign.

I did not question the efforts of Chris. I was more thinking along the lines of: maybe if more than one person knocked at the dev's door, they'd notice that this appears to be of interest to a greater number of people and will be affecting their sales figures.

EA being the company it is and this not being Bioware's first game, I fail to believe that this key marketing element wasn't inlcuded in the project's planning stage and became a fixed part of the project's roadmap. I highly doubt that half-way, all of a sudden, they realized "Oh dang - right. We need to implement this and that. This is also the reason why many of us found it quite ridiculous that it took that long to get an official statement regarding ME3 and the beloved Origin client.

[Yuoaman]

Yeah, it makes no sense for them to not have planned the Origin integration early on - these guys aren't new to this.

[Doodledorf]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Merkar wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

As Chris is apparently let down by those providing the answers, looking at how long they make him wait to come up with answers, which he is trying to get answered for us, I start wondering whether there are other, more direct, channels of getting into touch with those having all the knowledge about the beloved Origin. Should we send faxes (letters are a bit too vintageesque I assume) as most likely, if at all, e-mails will be answered with templates not really providing satisfying answers?! 

I'm pretty sure Chris is making an enormous effort on getting answers from devs in between playing SWTOR and ME3.


Anyway, we wouldn't be getting answers any faster than them. BW and Origin ppl are probably figuring things out themselves on how to best configure ME3 with Orign.

I did not question the efforts of Chris. I was more thinking along the lines of: maybe if more than one person knocked at the dev's door, they'd notice that this appears to be of interest to a greater number of people and will be affecting their sales figures.

EA being the company it is and this not being Bioware's first game, I fail to believe that this key marketing element wasn't inlcuded in the project's planning stage and became a fixed part of the project's roadmap. I highly doubt that half-way, all of a sudden, they realized "Oh dang - right. We need to implement this and that. This is also the reason why many of us found it quite ridiculous that it took that long to get an official statement regarding ME3 and the beloved Origin client.

I think and this is just my own mere feeling, that when EA found out Valve was going to be forcing people to use Steam when buying retail copies of Skyrim (which was going to be one of biggest titles of year and ended up being so as well as many other games) there was an element of whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

I think it is their legal right to supply clients with their games and thats coming from taking step back and looking at bigger picture in that regard and no bias in any way. I do however support a Opt In/Opt Out function inside the client much like Steam. But I won't be cancelling my order over it as it is just a verbal support in that it would be nice to have. 

Edit: I would still like to know if have done away with log in, inside ME3 title (think DLC and Cerberus) and will be handled instead purely by Origin log in or whether will have both log in for ME3 and the log in on Origin. I know we can guess and assume one thing or another but would be nice to know for sure.

Modifié par Doodledorf, 19 janvier 2012 - 06:06 .

[Furtled]

Moar Questions! (sorry Chris)
Will future DLC and patches be available through the BSN site like the ones for ME2 or will they only be available via Origin?

Also - does this mean we can expect Origin to be mandatory for DA3?

Cheers

Modifié par Furtled, 19 janvier 2012 - 06:42 .

[Graham85]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is not currently available on Steam. This may change in the future, but complaining to BioWare/EA that it is not on Steam will not help. We continue to work with Steam/Valve to make Mass Effect 3 available on Steam.

I'm not complaining with the hope this will change, because clearly it wont, I'm just stating that you've lost another sale and I won't be purchasing the game for this reason, or any other BioWare game from now onwards.  I bought Mass Effect 1 & 2 on Steam, but there's no way in hell I'll be using Origin, thankyou.  Trying to shift the blame onto Valve for this decision is disingenious also, it's pretty obvious to everyone that Steam's method of purchasing and installing DLC is an order of magnitude more customer-friendly than Origin and that asinine Cerberus Network thing we had to put up with for ME2.

Really, which sounds like the "best possible experience" to most people?  Purchasing your DLC on Steam via your usual payment method, and Steam automatically and seamless installing them for you - or - messing around with BioWare points, downloading a bunch of executables to your hard drive, running them one after another, getting Windows UAC pop-ups every time, etc.

I assume the Origin method will be an improvement on this, but I still don't have much faith.  If EA doesn't want to pay Valve their usual cut, then fine, but don't try and pretend this is in users' best interests when it's clearly the exact opposite.

[Johnsen1972]

Dear Chris, is there any chance that we will ever be able to play Bioware games without Origin?

When ME3 comes out it will be a sad day.
That day will, be the day where I stopped buying Bioware games. (supporting Bioware since BG1)
Im not going to install another piece of additional software besides Steam.

What will happend If all publishers start to make their own ad(spy)ware and forces customers to install it?
No, thanks 

Good luck in the future.

(ex)customer

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 19 janvier 2012 - 06:12 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

I'll buy the game and play it, then uninstall it AND Origin (which I have heard nothing but bad things about) and then continue with my Steam love affair.

Sorry EA, but if you don't offer a service that at least equals and has the same functionality as Steam, how do you expect to be taken seriously?

The thing is, if this was a stand-alone game, things might be different. The only reason Origin is being forced on us is because we're a captive audience. EA knows fine well we all want to see how our Shepherd's story turns out, and they know we will be buying it regardless of our reservations regarding Origin because by and large (not counting the atrocity that was Dragon Age 2) Bioware make ****ing good games.

[Hardin4188]

It hurts to be forced to buy this on the ps3 because the pc version has Origin. I tried Origin with the Battlefield 3 beta. I wanted to give it a fair chance. But I do not approve of EA taking their games off of steam and trying to push this inferior copy down our throats. I don't have Battlefield 3 and I wont have any other ea pc game that requires it. It's a shame to because EA looked like it was going to fully support steam, but they just had to have their own download service while insulting the legacy of Origin Systems! That's the worst part, them using that name!

[Serrow]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I'll buy the game and play it, then uninstall it AND Origin (which I have heard nothing but bad things about) and then continue with my Steam love affair.

Sorry EA, but if you don't offer a service that at least equals and has the same functionality as Steam, how do you expect to be taken seriously?

The thing is, if this was a stand-alone game, things might be different. The only reason Origin is being forced on us is because we're a captive audience. EA knows fine well we all want to see how our Shepherd's story turns out, and they know we will be buying it regardless of our reservations regarding Origin because by and large (not counting the atrocity that was Dragon Age 2) Bioware make ****ing good games.

QFT.

I think the big thing EA is missing now, is the fact that this 'captive' audience isn't going to be captive forever. Eventually they'll milk all they can out of Bioware, leaving most of their fanbase with a sour taste in the mouth by shoving Origin down their throats, and alienate them even further from using the service ever again.

But you know, focusing on the short-term is clearly the most practical business plan.

[Massefeckt]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Merkar wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

As Chris is apparently let down by those providing the answers, looking at how long they make him wait to come up with answers, which he is trying to get answered for us, I start wondering whether there are other, more direct, channels of getting into touch with those having all the knowledge about the beloved Origin. Should we send faxes (letters are a bit too vintageesque I assume) as most likely, if at all, e-mails will be answered with templates not really providing satisfying answers?! 

I'm pretty sure Chris is making an enormous effort on getting answers from devs in between playing SWTOR and ME3.


Anyway, we wouldn't be getting answers any faster than them. BW and Origin ppl are probably figuring things out themselves on how to best configure ME3 with Orign.

I did not question the efforts of Chris. I was more thinking along the lines of: maybe if more than one person knocked at the dev's door, they'd notice that this appears to be of interest to a greater number of people and will be affecting their sales figures.

EA being the company it is and this not being Bioware's first game, I fail to believe that this key marketing element wasn't inlcuded in the project's planning stage and became a fixed part of the project's roadmap. I highly doubt that half-way, all of a sudden, they realized "Oh dang - right. We need to implement this and that. This is also the reason why many of us found it quite ridiculous that it took that long to get an official statement regarding ME3 and the beloved Origin client.

EA's customer service tends be along the lines of "If you don't like it [Floyd] off"

[No swearing, please.]

Lol you censored my censor?

Modifié par Massefeckt, 19 janvier 2012 - 06:57 .

[anythingspecialf4pc]

Recommended Requirements

OS: Windows XP SP3/Vista SP1, Win 7
CPU : 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (equivalent AMD CPU)
RAM: 2GB for XP / 4GB RAM for Vista/Win 7
Disc Drive: 1x speed
Hard Drive: 2.5 GB of free space
Video: AMD/ATI Radeon HD 4850 512 MB or greater, NVidia GeForce 9800 GT 512 MB or greater
Sound: DirectX 9.0c compatible

You all will be buying a origin mandatory consoleport you do know that right?

[yogibbear87]

Okay haven't been around these forums since ME2 / DA2 launches. Anyway...

I will not buy ME3 if origin is required. If and when you give me an option to purchase it without Origin then I will do so.

Thanks.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Wittand25 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Have the actual games ever been caught red-handed sifting through the general contents of customer's computers? 

Has it ever occured to you that people read the EULAs and clicked AGREE reluctantly, and that the Origin requirement and Origin's behavior is the last straw, and we've decided we're not compromising or giving in any more? 

Has it ever occured to you that people can be pushed too damn far?

Has Origin ever been caught ? I have not seen anything that would prove that (Please do not bring up the ProgramData screen shots I am tired of explaining them). That Origin scans the whole hard-drive is a myth started by the misinterpretation of the behavior of early versions, that has been corrected.

I am totally fine with people who actually care about such topics and who refuse to use game managers like Steam and Origin on principle. I might not agree totally with them, though I have to agree with many complaints regarding the services which have many disadvantges for the customer.
What I find rather amusing is those who complain loudly about privacy here only to rush to the next best online petition to hand out their name, address, emailaddress, the results of their last colonoscopy and whatever else the petition site wants from them.

Yes, Origin has been caught.

No, we don't buy the smoke and mirrors -- "it's been changed" and "it never did it to begin with you just don't have the leet skills to interpret the data correctly". 

No, I haven't dumped my personal info into an online petition.  I've submitted my personal info in a complaint to the FTC about Origin, but then, I WANT my name on the complaint.