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[Troodon80]

Furtled wrote...

Moar Questions! (sorry Chris)
Will future DLC and patches be available through the BSN site like the ones for ME2 or will they only be available via Origin?

Since this is the same question I asked yesterday, I would like to reiterate my two questions.

At this point, I am considering buying an entirely new rig (well, upgrade, actually, but it is a complete overhaul, so I'll reuse the parts in another machine) with which to play ME3, so no worries about Origin apparently scanning data, regardless of whether it does or not. But, again, I stress that these are important questions for me. I appreciate any answers given, or a "we're looking into it, have patience" replay.

If anyone else hears anything before it is posted, I would appreciate a PM. Thank you .

[Rudy Lis]

Warning. Small fence of text incoming.

Doodledorf wrote...

I think and this is just my own mere feeling, that when EA found out Valve was going to be forcing people to use Steam when buying retail copies of Skyrim (which was going to be one of biggest titles of year and ended up being so as well as many other games) there was an element of whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

You sure it was Valve decision, not bethesda's? Hard to explain, but here Valve gathered great support from gamers. However, currently you cannot purchase ANY bethesda's title via Steam - only crappy retail, and from what I've seen/heard, it'll be region/language locked. My retail FNV, for example is EnPlCzRu version, incompatible with DLCs from US FNV (thus forcing me to re-buy US full package via friend in States (and have some thrilling rectal acrobatics session in order to install it in parallel with "localized" FNV, BTW)), my acquaintance from Russia told me his Skyrim is region locked, localized and he even cannot change language to English. Knowing how games are localized here - it'll be much more than just arrow into the knee (more like an axe into ear and shield into eye).

After what Valve have done here, killing a huge segment of loyal market (one army of Fallout followers is worth mentioning) with such "questionable" (at best) decision... It's more than total overkill and Valve doesn't look that stupid. AFAIK few people, who don't have any means to acquire US version of FNV turned to "blood magic".

And I'm pretty sure that this market restriction wasn't just Valve-only - no other DD store I know (and who sells games to us "third world party" members), now have bethesda's stock available for us.

Doodledorf wrote...

Edit: I would still like to know if have done away with log in, inside ME3 title (think DLC and Cerberus) and will be handled instead purely by Origin log in or whether will have both log in for ME3 and the log in on Origin. I know we can guess and assume one thing or another but would be nice to know for sure.

I doubt. People are usually lazy folk, so if they used same system for ME2, DA1-2, Dead Space - why should they bother to do something other than copy-paste that code fragment and utilize it again? Our convenience is our problem.

And regarding DLC-offline question, voiced about 7 hours ago (in this thread it's like couple of centuries ago) I can tell only about ME2. All its DLCs required one-time activation and perfectly worked offline since then. Can't say thing about DA (both of them) - so far they couldn't encourage me to spent my money on any DLC for both DA's, so can't tell. Maybe DA3 will change that, maybe it'll be nose-down dive grounding. We'll live, we'll see.

So, dear Bioware reps, can you answer my question - will you or your allies from EA follow bethesda's footsteps and enforce region/language locks in ME3/DLCs or not? Because if yes, that will be a headshot (pointblack range, from howitzer) to all DD system to yours truly. I know, you don't care about me (well, maybe just a little), but I care about me, so I want to know.

P.S. "Little weirdo time" - since I have no intentions to cancel my orders regardless of any things mentioned above, will it possible to copy ME3 shortcut to Steam somehow? (Imagine some cute dork-face smilie here or at least Puss in boots’ eyes from Shrek). I have no problems with Origin and Steam running in parallel, just want to have my nice and neat shortcuts in one place. Same goes for DA2. And DA3, since... Ah, well, who am I cheating with? I will buy your games regardless, until you'll enforce region/language lock.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 19 janvier 2012 - 08:58 .

[Xyos]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Warning. Small fence of text incoming.

Doodledorf wrote...

I think and this is just my own mere feeling, that when EA found out Valve was going to be forcing people to use Steam when buying retail copies of Skyrim (which was going to be one of biggest titles of year and ended up being so as well as many other games) there was an element of whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

You sure it was Valve decision, not bethesda's? Hard to explain, but here Valve gathered great support from gamers. However, currently you cannot purchase ANY bethesda's title via Steam - only crappy retail, and from what I've seen/heard, it'll be region/language locked. My retail FNV, for example is EnPlCzRu version, incompatible with DLCs from US FNV (thus forcing me to re-buy US full package via friend in States (and have some thrilling rectal acrobatics session in order to install it in parallel with "localized" FNV, BTW)), my acquaintance from Russia told me his Skyrim is region locked, localized and he even cannot change language to English. Knowing how games are localized here - it'll be much more than just arrow into the knee (more like an axe into ear and shield into eye).

After what Valve have done here, killing a huge segment of loyal market (one army of Fallout followers is worth mentioning) with such "questionable" (at best) decision... It's more than total overkill and Valve doesn't look that stupid. AFAIK few people, who don't have any means to acquire US version of FNV turned to "blood magic".

And I'm pretty sure that this market restriction wasn't just Valve-only - no other DD store I know (and who sells games to us "third world party" members), now have bethesda's stock available for us.

Doodledorf wrote...

Edit: I would still like to know if have done away with log in, inside ME3 title (think DLC and Cerberus) and will be handled instead purely by Origin log in or whether will have both log in for ME3 and the log in on Origin. I know we can guess and assume one thing or another but would be nice to know for sure.

I doubt. People are usually lazy folk, so if they used same system for ME2, DA1-2, Dead Space - why should they bother to do something other than copy-paste that code fragment and utilize it again? Our convenience is our problem.

And regarding DLC-offline question, voiced about 7 hours ago (in this thread it's like couple of centuries ago) I can tell only about ME2. All its DLCs required one-time activation and perfectly worked offline since then. Can't say thing about DA (both of them) - so far they couldn't encourage me to spent my money on any DLC for both DA's, so can't tell. Maybe DA3 will change that, maybe it'll be nose-down dive grounding. We'll live, we'll see.

So, dear Bioware reps, can you answer my question - will you or your allies from EA follow bethesda's footsteps and enforce region/language locks in ME3/DLCs or not? Because if yes, that will be a headshot (pointblack range, from howitzer) to all DD system to yours truly. I know, you don't care about me (well, maybe just a little), but I care about me, so I want to know.

P.S. "Little weirdo time" - since I have no intentions to cancel my orders regardless of any things mentioned above, will it possible to copy ME3 shortcut to Steam somehow? (Imagine some cute dork-face smilie here or at least Puss in boots’ eyes from Shrek). I have no problems with Origin and Steam running in parallel, just want to have my nice and neat shortcuts in one place. Same goes for DA2. And DA3, since... Ah, well, who am I cheating with? I will buy your games regardless, until you'll enforce region/language lock.

You can run it through Steam similar to how BF3 is done. You add origin.exe as a non-steam game, then launch ME3 through origin (rename the Steam name to ME3). Now you can play ME3 through Steam with the overlay and such. 

I bought ME1 and 2 on Steam and was looking forward to completing the series on Steam together. Please bring it to Steam. 

[Rudy Lis]

Xyos wrote...

You can run it through Steam similar to how BF3 is done. You add origin.exe as a non-steam game, then launch ME3 through origin (rename the Steam name to ME3). Now you can play ME3 through Steam with the overlay and such. 

Thanks!

Xyos wrote...

I bought ME1 and 2 on Steam and was looking forward to completing the series on Steam together. Please bring it to Steam. 

I second that.

[Doodledorf]

Rudy Lis wrote...

-snippy snippy-

I love reading your posts, it's so random in parts yet all seems to fit just enough together with amusing little phrases and sayings thrown in that makes my head have hard time keeping up. Bit like difference of most posts akin to watching paint dry yours are like watching a hummingbird travelling at super speed and trying to keep your eyes on it.

It is good, entertaining and you can tell if look at it and try not to focus so much on the scatter effect, that you are really a very bright/smart person. 

The tl;dr version of what I just said is > I like the way you write your posts. 

Modifié par Doodledorf, 19 janvier 2012 - 09:38 .

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Wittand25 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Evidence please ?
The only thing that I know is people looking at the process monitor and then go on to claim how Origin scanned a several gigabyte big folder in under three seconds and afterwards send the data to the Amazon store.

Both rather ridiculous claims if you even think about them for just one second.

I haven't seen anyone claim that it sent the data to Amazon, which would be highly silly. 

Oh I have. It was when they discoverd that Origin sends data to aws.amazon.com.
But I am too lazy to dig those posts up, also I have forgotten if these claims were made in the english or the german section.

Hmm, strange. I wonder where you read that on this site. A global serach on this site couldn't spot it.

http://www.google.co...w=1916&bih=1045

[Adugan]

Ottemis wrote...

Adugan wrote...
"You must visit an authorized EA facility to download, install, play, patch and modify any EA game."

Maybe I could meet Silverman then, Win!

Open the door and something awesome happens! Sit down and log in and something awesome happens. Start playing and something awesome-- *Punch*

[Alpha Bootis]

Is there any specific reason though, why Origin is mandatory? And i mean, for real? A technical reason that makes sense?
That user experience marketing crap means nothing to me, because if the user experience was really at the end of that tunnel Mass Effect 3 would have also found release on Steam.

[shepskisaac]

Alpha Bootis wrote...

A technical reason that makes sense?

Of course not. The reason is simple. EA wants to promote their store so they're forcing Origin with their biggest releases (FIFA 12, Battlefield 3, ME3) and they also want free marketing data.

[Doodledorf]

Alpha Bootis wrote...

Is there any specific reason though, why Origin is mandatory? And i mean, for real? A technical reason that makes sense?
That user experience marketing crap means nothing to me, because if the user experience was really at the end of that tunnel Mass Effect 3 would have also found release on Steam.

Other than potential 'alternative' DRM method (technical aspect), marketing, the legal right to distirbute it with their own titles or the fact they just wanted to push their own client because they wish to (long term) compete with Steam ~far off in the future desire to pull in same revenue aka take a bigger peice/bite of that juicy pie known as digital distribution. There is no other reasons at all (imho). Short term thinking is more along lines of boost competitors client user base and revenue by supplying them with their titles giving short term income increase compared to (risk/possible) long term gains where pay off gets bigger income in future.

For non customer opinion though, would honestly only get real answer from them since only they know why they choose to do things. I never quite understood why people do this though, ask the customers what the mindset and reasons someone else did/does something. Unless just want opinions/guesses and not actual real answer. As such mine is just a guess too.

Modifié par Doodledorf, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:21 .

[Akael_Bayn]

I notice a lot of people defend Origin by giving the "It's not spyware because..." line. And that would matter to me if my problem with Origin were privacy based, but it's not. I don't have a folder on my gaming computer named "C:\\IMPORTANT_PERSONAL_INFO\\" and stuffed full of receipts and tax returns and addresses. I wouldn't really give a crap if someone broke into my house and looked over every single thing on the machine. I don't care if Origin is benign.

What I do care about is running a sexy, streamlined, high-powered beast of a gaming machine which does exactly what I ask it to, and nothing else. My computer is beautiful and clean and it's going to stay that way. I don't log in and see a dozen apps parked in my system tray. I don't have crap giving me alerts about email or Facebook or Twitter. I don't have instant messenger programs. If you're important enough to me that I want you to talk to me, you can call.

No company is that important to me, and I have no desire to be keeping in touch with any of them. You don't want to "restrict [your] ability to connect directly with [your] consumers," but have you ever considered that we, the customers, don't want to connect directly with you?

It is not fear, but rather anger that is keeping my money in my pocket.

Modifié par Akael_Bayn, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:08 .

[Alpha Bootis]

AlanC9 wrote...

anythingspecialf4pc wrote...

Got that form IGN.com, but the hdd space is not my concern. I got a high end pc and wonder if this is just a simple consoleport. You can never find this info on averages gameing sites!

Recommended Spec:
OS – Windows XP SP3/Vista SP1, Win 7
CPU – 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (equivalent AMD CPU)
RAM – 2GB for XP / 4GB RAM for Vista/Win 7
Disc Drive – 1x speed
Hard Drive – 15 GB of free space
Video – AMD/ATI Radeon HD 4850 512 MB or greater, NVidia GeForce 9800 GT 512 MB or greater
Sound – DirectX 9.0c compatible

The rest is the same. Is there a bioware admin who can shed a light on this?

So the complaint is that the game doesn't have the recommended system level high enough to make you feel good about all the money you just threw away?

By specs you can make vague assumptions on the graphics quality. I must say that as a PC gamer i can somewhat relate to this even though its a bit corner cutting this way.
We have been dealing with bull**** console ports for a time now, ME ending up like would be an apocalyptic bummer, probably even biggen then this whole Origin mistake and that something worth noting.
There are so many titles ported that just don't work on a PC either gameplay wise or performance wise. And its not only low profile games too. GTA4 for example. Its a horrid piece of crap that i never got running properly on my old machine, who'm had no problem with the then technologically far superior PC buster game Crysis.

[Alpha Bootis]

Akael_Bayn wrote...


It is not fear, but rather anger that is keeping my money in my pocket.

QFT

[Wittand25]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Evidence please ?
The only thing that I know is people looking at the process monitor and then go on to claim how Origin scanned a several gigabyte big folder in under three seconds and afterwards send the data to the Amazon store.

Both rather ridiculous claims if you even think about them for just one second.

I haven't seen anyone claim that it sent the data to Amazon, which would be highly silly. 

Oh I have. It was when they discoverd that Origin sends data to aws.amazon.com.
But I am too lazy to dig those posts up, also I have forgotten if these claims were made in the english or the german section.

Hmm, strange. I wonder where you read that on this site. A global serach on this site couldn't spot it.

http://www.google.co...w=1916&bih=1045

Well if you tried with other keywords you may have found this: http://social.biowar...ndex/8498716/26 .

Modifié par Wittand25, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:29 .

[Doodledorf]

Wittand25 wrote...

Well if you tried with other keywords you may have found this: http://social.biowar...ndex/8498716/26 .

Hmm, not sure what to make of that because the link you provided goes to forum post; who's link then goes to "image not found". Then again I have kind of lost track of which of you is trying to prove what (pro/con Origin/EA and vice versa).

Modifié par Doodledorf, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:40 .

[Johnsen1972]

I just installed Kingdoms of Amalur Demo THROUGH STEAM.

I have been asked to enter my EA Bioware Account and ID and it works perfect! I even got the ME3 Bonus items and some Team Fortress 3 items.

If the EA Game Kindoms of Amalur works perfect with STEAM why can't we order ME3 on Steam?? I don't get it. Chris didn't told us the truth.

[shepisavanguardgetoverit]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Xyos wrote...

You can run it through Steam similar to how BF3 is done. You add origin.exe as a non-steam game, then launch ME3 through origin (rename the Steam name to ME3). Now you can play ME3 through Steam with the overlay and such. 

Thanks!

Xyos wrote...

I bought ME1 and 2 on Steam and was looking forward to completing the series on Steam together. Please bring it to Steam. 

I second that.

As do I!

And thanks for the workaround  Xyos, I didn't know that. 

Does anyone know from experience if Origin is better optimised for dsl/cable internet than steam.  I mean it takes me 2 days to download a game on steam atm, my download rate in steam will not go any higher then 160kps, yet my download rate ouside of steam is like 250 - 300 ? (I live in Australia, so it may just be our crappy internet )

[Johnsen1972]

Everyone with who is going to buy Kingdoms of Amalur shpuld buy it only on Steam.

Support STEAM!

[Mister Mida]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Everyone with who is going to buy Kingdoms of Amalur shpuld buy it only on Steam.

Support STEAM!

Haha.

No.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Still no update :/

[rooky91]

Moondoggie wrote...

rooky91 wrote...

The main thing I hate about this is that, say in 10 years in want to reinstall MY copy of the game that I have lying around and something has happened to Origin, or got forbid I have no internet connection, I can't play my game! MY game.
I won't be buy the PC version anymore, thats for sure. Good thing I have a ps3.

EA has been around for three decades i think they can manage another lol. And Origin is in their plans for the long term. Nobody is going to be like "okay we are shutting down Origin so nobody can play Origin based games anymore" just like Valve won't be doing that with Steam.

And honestly in 10 years it'll be harder not to have an internet connection than it will be to have one no matter where you are. Well unless you want to use the internet in the middle of the Amazon Rainforrest or something.

I have not doubt that Ea will be around in 10 years, but theres always the "what if". I'm aware its a bit on an extreme example but it works

[Computer_God91]

So does anyone think ME3 will ever go to steam or are they just lying to us about it having a possibility? Cause if it ends up going there I can wait that long to play it.

[craigdolphin]

Johnsen1972 wrote...
If the EA Game Kindoms of Amalur works perfect with STEAM why can't we order ME3 on Steam?? I don't get it. Chris didn't told us the truth.

Chris has never said a word about KOAR being unavailable on Steam. Noone at Bioware has ever said KOAR would not be on Steam. To be clear, KOAR is not a Bioware game.

KOAR is going to be available both on Steam and on Origin. To the best of my knowledge, if you buy the boxed version of KOAR, you get it with Origin. So, it's no great surprise that the demo is available via both digital distribution outlets.

While I greatly sympathize with your frustration about the lack of availability of ME3 without Origin, and/or on Steam, personally I think you owe Chris an apology. He has not lied about anything to my knowledge. Don't shoot the messenger because you hate the message.

That said, the message truly does suck.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

rooky91 wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

rooky91 wrote...

The main thing I hate about this is that, say in 10 years in want to reinstall MY copy of the game that I have lying around and something has happened to Origin, or got forbid I have no internet connection, I can't play my game! MY game.
I won't be buy the PC version anymore, thats for sure. Good thing I have a ps3.

EA has been around for three decades i think they can manage another lol. And Origin is in their plans for the long term. Nobody is going to be like "okay we are shutting down Origin so nobody can play Origin based games anymore" just like Valve won't be doing that with Steam.

And honestly in 10 years it'll be harder not to have an internet connection than it will be to have one no matter where you are. Well unless you want to use the internet in the middle of the Amazon Rainforrest or something.

I have not doubt that Ea will be around in 10 years, but theres always the "what if". I'm aware its a bit on an extreme example but it works

And what of things like EA download manager, or the many EA published games which have had support pulled from them over the years?