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[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Wittand25 wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Evidence please ?
The only thing that I know is people looking at the process monitor and then go on to claim how Origin scanned a several gigabyte big folder in under three seconds and afterwards send the data to the Amazon store.

Both rather ridiculous claims if you even think about them for just one second.

I haven't seen anyone claim that it sent the data to Amazon, which would be highly silly. 

Oh I have. It was when they discoverd that Origin sends data to aws.amazon.com.
But I am too lazy to dig those posts up, also I have forgotten if these claims were made in the english or the german section.

Hmm, strange. I wonder where you read that on this site. A global serach on this site couldn't spot it.

http://www.google.co...w=1916&bih=1045

Well if you tried with other keywords you may have found this: http://social.biowar...ndex/8498716/26 .

kk, thanks. just couldn't find it. didn't mean to express anything implicitly.

[Sundance31us]

I apologize for the delay in responding.

Merkar wrote...
There's that and the number of users playing at a single moment (and all statistical data coming from it) which is easily seen by anyone who uses the service . That's also transparent and I'm pretty sure that's all part of the "aggregate" and "individual" information they take from users. How about that? I'm actually made aware of what they do with the information they take from me. Why EA needs to do this in secret?

If you would like to see what data EA gathers from your machine open ME or ME2 (not via Textmod) and go into the "Configure" option on the menu; if that's EA's idea of secrecy, they need to hire more ninjas.

For more information on how EA stores and uses the personal and non-personal information they collect see the read their Privacy Policy* (link at the bottom of the forum).

*  http://tos.ea.com/le...IVACY/US/en/PC/

One thing to keep in mind when using a hosting service like Steam is that for the hosting service to remain in business it must serve two masters, the players AND the publishers. The hosting service wants to attract business from both groups and will do so by trying to meet the needs of both groups. For example...

Valve Business Solutions - Development Tools
http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/developmenttools.php

Bug reporting

Track most frequent crashes in real time and then triage based on number of unique users. Auto–collection of minidumps and minidump parsing tools to make your job easier. Find and address bugs even before customers contact support.

For Valve to offer real time "auto–collection of minidumps" to their publishers their program will need to do a little more than collect game stats.

Look, I am not trying to talk anyone out of using any service; what I am trying to do is to encourage my fellow ME enthusiasts to be proactive and understand that data collection is happening regardless of which service they use.

[Massefeckt]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

I just installed Kingdoms of Amalur Demo THROUGH STEAM.

I have been asked to enter my EA Bioware Account and ID and it works perfect! I even got the ME3 Bonus items and some Team Fortress 3 items.

If the EA Game Kindoms of Amalur works perfect with STEAM why can't we order ME3 on Steam?? I don't get it. Chris didn't told us the truth.

Because that's not a big name title. They want to force people to use Origin so big name games are the easiest way to do it. Especially a big name games last installment "Want to finish your Shepards journey? Reach the climax of all those game hours and story you've invested so much in? That you have sat in your Steam folder? Well switch to Origin or you'll never find out what would've happened!" Cyncal money grab basically.

rooky91 wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

rooky91 wrote...

The
main thing I hate about this is that, say in 10 years in want to
reinstall MY copy of the game that I have lying around and something has
happened to Origin, or got forbid I have no internet connection, I
can't play my game! MY game.
I won't be buy the PC version anymore, thats for sure. Good thing I have a ps3.

EA
has been around for three decades i think they can manage another lol.
And Origin is in their plans for the long term. Nobody is going to be
like "okay we are shutting down Origin so nobody can play Origin based
games anymore" just like Valve won't be doing that with Steam.

And
honestly in 10 years it'll be harder not to have an internet connection
than it will be to have one no matter where you are. Well unless you
want to use the internet in the middle of the Amazon Rainforrest or
something.

I have not doubt that Ea will be
around in 10 years, but theres always the "what if". I'm aware its a bit
on an extreme example but it works

EA will be around Origin may even be around but EA are well known for stopping support of older games so don'y expect your copy of ME3 to be around in ten years time at least not in a working condition. The way EA work dont be surprised if Bioware are gone as well.

Modifié par Massefeckt, 19 janvier 2012 - 11:30 .

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Sundance31us wrote...

I apologize for the delay in responding.

Merkar wrote...
There's that and the number of users playing at a single moment (and all statistical data coming from it) which is easily seen by anyone who uses the service . That's also transparent and I'm pretty sure that's all part of the "aggregate" and "individual" information they take from users. How about that? I'm actually made aware of what they do with the information they take from me. Why EA needs to do this in secret?

If you would like to see what data EA gathers from your machine open ME or ME2 (not via Textmod) and go into the "Configure" option on the menu; if that's EA's idea of secrecy, they need to hire more ninjas.

For more information on how EA stores and uses the personal and non-personal information they collect see the read their Privacy Policy* (link at the bottom of the forum).

*  http://tos.ea.com/le...IVACY/US/en/PC/

One thing to keep in mind when using a hosting service like Steam is that for the hosting service to remain in business it must serve two masters, the players AND the publishers. The hosting service wants to attract business from both groups and will do so by trying to meet the needs of both groups. For example...

Valve Business Solutions - Development Tools
http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/developmenttools.php

Bug reporting

Track most frequent crashes in real time and then triage based on number of unique users. Auto–collection of minidumps and minidump parsing tools to make your job easier. Find and address bugs even before customers contact support.

For Valve to offer real time "auto–collection of minidumps" to their publishers their program will need to do a little more than collect game stats.

Look, I am not trying to talk anyone out of using any service; what I am trying to do is to encourage my fellow ME enthusiasts to be proactive and understand that data collection is happening regardless of which service they use.

.... IF such DD services are being used by the customer AND the DRM included goes beyond simply authenticating the installation.

[Orionas]

Oh my god, I never install this spyware in my computer, origin or steam.. spyware they are for me.. (lol).. I dont agree with their policies so there is no way to buy it.

Thats how they loose money!.. They force you NOT to buy it!.. lol I wonder why..

If they ever make a legit version of the game without this viruses, wake me up..   except if the original disc comes with an origin ****** for those who dont wish that in their computers.. Then I will buy it..

Except the monitoring they do and the informations they still without your legit permision, they force us to pay bills!!! Phone and internet provider! So, is internet free in the world? is it cheap? Anybody have it? So why we should buy it, I mean... if I ever decide not to pay bills and cut my phone line, this software (steam, origin, etc), are useless..

Modifié par Orionas, 19 janvier 2012 - 11:53 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Massefeckt wrote...

EA will be around Origin may even be around but EA are well known for stopping support of older games so don'y expect your copy of ME3 to be around in ten years time at least not in a working condition. The way EA work dont be surprised if Bioware are gone as well.

I think EA and Origin will be around for many years to come, decade+ I do not know as thats a bit far reaching for relying on simple guess work. However if such a time occurs I would hope they would release a patch for titles that did use a client to no longer require it. I do not know how likely this would be but I think we as customers won't have to worry about that for a long time with regard to dropping of Origin given it does seem to be their long term plan to continue it. 

[Alpha Bootis]

Edit: Post removed. 

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 19 janvier 2012 - 11:56 .

[Adugan]

Edit: Post removed.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 19 janvier 2012 - 11:56 .

[Alpha Bootis]

Adugan wrote...

Alpha Bootis wrote...

I have read some articles on how to sandbox Origin. Is this regarded as an illegal action? Would any attempt to sabotage it be regarded as such? Even if you purchase i mean?

No, but dont mention it around Woo or Chris. They seem to thing it is against the rules. 

I have not got much interest in what people think, only the facts matter.
This is relatively good news as Origin for the pc release is stated as inevitable, so will be me sabotaging it if i where to decide purchase this game after all.

[Erode_The_Soul]

Computer_God91 wrote...

So does anyone think ME3 will ever go to steam or are they just lying to us about it having a possibility? Cause if it ends up going there I can wait that long to play it.

I'm sure it will end up there eventually. Once both companies quit throwing temper tantrums, that is. So we may have to wait a while to finally finish Shepard's story.

[didymos1120]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Edit: Post removed. 

Chris, seriously: it ain't copyright circumvention.  Why is this so difficult to understand?

Modifié par didymos1120, 19 janvier 2012 - 11:59 .

[CenturyCrow]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Edit: Post removed. 

Speak of the devil...  To answer, your now invisible post. I and others have asked the question and it remains unanswered. I also asked via PM. So your post appears to be the 'blank' official answer...

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 20 janvier 2012 - 12:01 .

[Alpha Bootis]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Edit: Post removed.

I don't feel we have said anything illegal, nor do we advocate anything illegal. Can this censorship be explained?
In fact not too long ago i remember someone from Bioware itself talking about sandboxing.

I hope you do see that I am trying to find a reason to buy this game with that horrible EA DRM in it. That should be Bioware's job yet I am doing it.

Modifié par Alpha Bootis, 20 janvier 2012 - 12:14 .

[Adugan]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Edit: Post removed.

...Why?

[Computer_God91]

So we can't even talk about sandboxing Origin? Cause not allowing it to scan our computers is somehow against the rules.

[Ryzaki]

Computer_God91 wrote...

So we can't even talk about sandboxing Origin? Cause not allowing it to scan our computers is somehow against the rules.

...I fail to see how that's circumventing DRM.

Explain Chris.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 janvier 2012 - 12:17 .

[Orionas]

Video game companies think or believe that they boost console sales more with this ideas (origin, steam) because of the ability to play offline and without this programs, but they mistaken, they wrong, I hope they will understand their mistakes soon enough and turn it legit.. I personally gave up all my consoles long ago.. I support only nin...  mostly because the 2 big players in console industry, disturbed my pc game experience. And I am not alone

Modifié par Orionas, 20 janvier 2012 - 12:24 .

[Adugan]

Its funny how Chris removed those posts but people can still read them.

[Sgt Stryker]

I have to wonder why Mr. Priestly has been removing these posts. If the data collected by Origin is harmless, surely EA has nothing to hide. Right?

[Luvinn]

Its boggles my mind the censorship that goes on when the mention of a legal software program comes up, and there's no explanation why. These ninja edits are childish at best, and it seems to be a hardcore attempt at getting this information on our systems. That being said, i think everyone knows about this software by now.

In short, man up. Give an answer one way or another.

Modifié par Luvinn, 20 janvier 2012 - 12:49 .

[McBeath]

Luvinn wrote...

In short, man up. Give an answer one way or another.

Guys just doing his job, for one reason or another people have been told not to discuss ways to work around Origins features.  Fair?   Maybe not, but it's the rule.

Unfortunately Chris is the guy stuck enforcing that rule.  Disagree with it, ask why even... but do you really have to refer to his actions as "childish" or be rude? 

Cheers.  McBeath.

Modifié par McBeath, 20 janvier 2012 - 12:54 .

[Dragoonlordz]

I don't know if it has occurred to some but if you (feel) your not getting your answer on here, why not go onto the EA forums and ask given it's EA's baby and all instead of attacking Chris? Or have you lot tried that yet.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 20 janvier 2012 - 12:57 .

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

... especially when there are even game magazines that publish articles about it on how to do it. And those even include videos. Whether this solution is superior or at least equally good as having a seperate windows installation on a seperate harddrive (and the main drive being detached) to protect ones privacy remains to be seen as far as I can tell by those articles.
Then again, one would have given in to EA by the purchase of the game, which includes the beloved Origin. It's really sad, but I think the only way I will get to see ME3 is by watching one of the walkthrough's to be posted on Youtube.  

[didymos1120]

Oh and BTW, Chris? Your removal of posts discussing metaphorical containers of granular silicon dioxide is actually acting against corporate interests. Regardless of whether you think the fears of datamining are justified or not, you're deleting information that would allow some to purchase perfectly legal copies of ME3, legally activate them, and eliminate that source of worry. It's fairly likely that you are costing your employer money in the form of lost sales. This is, shall we say, less than maximally intelligent?

Modifié par didymos1120, 20 janvier 2012 - 01:01 .

[Sundance31us]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I don't know if it has occurred to some but if you (feel) your not getting your answer on here, why not go onto the EA forums and ask given it's EA's baby and all? Or have you lot tried that yet.

Just be careful how you word things as to avoid any unpleasant repercussions.