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[Stanley Woo]

Dragoonlordz wrote...


@Stanley

Seeing as your monitoring stuff could you possibly be able to answer either question I asked on here at bottom of my post?

As i've mentioned before, i'm not the answer guy. That's still Chris. i'm just here to keep the thread from imploding.or exploding or... transploding, i guess.

[Lux]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I don't know if it has occurred to some but if you (feel) your not getting your answer on here, why not go onto the EA forums and ask given it's EA's baby and all? Or have you lot tried that yet.

Going to EA forums to talk about ANYTHING, let alone the criticism of EA is definitely not a good idea

If that's true and not a one time only exception, geez, sounds like really customer friendly behavior by EA - NOT.

It's a good thing it's not widespread, being isolated incidents so far. Not that I consider this to be acceptable but it has been rare. Banning from forums - if deserved - is ok. Banning from purchased products should only happen in extreme cases and not because people are vocal on their frustrations and rants over the forums.

The fact that a user deserves to be permanently banned from the forums could not, should not imply losing an entire game collection. Even silly people have rights in a free society and those principles should be emulated in the digital world.

This could be solved by separating the Origin account from the forum account. Kind of like what Steam does (sorry to mention them again, but they're a good example). You don't have this sort of backlash on Valve's service for that reason. While this (perfectly avoidable) silly issue stands, bad word of mouth on Origin will only intensify as long as forum accounts are associated with Origin accounts; and people - human as they are - decide to harshly complain to EA.

That sums up the other concern I have about Origin, besides the privacy issue.

[Dragoonlordz]

Stanley Woo wrote...

As i've mentioned before, i'm not the answer guy. That's still Chris. i'm just here to keep the thread from imploding.or exploding or... transploding, i guess.

:crying: ok.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 20 janvier 2012 - 01:57 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

and the EA corporate guys have an agenda that goes far beyond anything they'll tell the public.

That sentence just gave me the urge to play through DE:HR again... 

It's kinda funny, for many years now I've half-jokingly said that many of today's big corporations would make excellent video game/movie/comic book villians. Most already have the ethics of an evil organizatiom and are just missing the army of guys in black suits with red visors.

Anyway I've already decided on my course of action regarding this Origin nonsense (Bioware gets my money one more time). I swore off EA years ago and it was a bit of a comedy of errors that caused me to play and fall in love with ME1 and give EA a, what was it, 4th or 5th chance. Bioware seems to be becoming more and more "EA like" all the time, so I'm just sticking it out with them until after ME3.

As to my suggestion to EA about Origin; Your client has been so demonized amongst gamers that I really don't think anything short of a complete revamp and rename would help it's soiled reputation. Your strongarm tactics are not appreciated by your "valuble customers". I realize this message will probably never be seen by anyone who makes these desisions, but I could only resist for so long before a needed to get a bit of vent out.

I'm done now. Whew.

[chance52]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Please do not discuss methods of circumventing Origins in this forum. Continuing to participate in such discussions may result in your post being edited or removed, all the way up to and including a forum ban for discussing forbidden topics and failing to heed Moderator instructions or warnings.

That thing you don't want mentioned only circumvents Origins if it behaves as spyware, which we all have had repeatedly been assured that it isn't.  If it behaves as your company tells us it will have no impact on it's operation Stanley.

So please, if you are unclear in anyway with how it functions please take a few minutes to research it yourself, no need to take our word for it.

[didymos1120]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Please do not discuss methods of circumventing Origins in this forum.

That's the point: nobody was.

[Adugan]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


@Stanley

Seeing as your monitoring stuff could you possibly be able to answer either question I asked on here at bottom of my post?

As i've mentioned before, i'm not the answer guy. That's still Chris. i'm just here to keep the thread from imploding.or exploding or... transploding, i guess.

Chris refuse to answer my and others' PMs. He is not the answers guy either.

[Yuoaman]

If we were discussing a way of circumventing Origin we would stop.

[Yuoaman]

Adugan wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


@Stanley

Seeing as your monitoring stuff could you possibly be able to answer either question I asked on here at bottom of my post?

As i've mentioned before, i'm not the answer guy. That's still Chris. i'm just here to keep the thread from imploding.or exploding or... transploding, i guess.

Chris refuse to answer my and others' PMs. He is not the answers guy either.

Chris doesn't have all of the answers - he has to communicate with higher ups to get the answers to a lot of questions, especially those relating to Origin and its use.

[Stanley Woo]

Adugan wrote...

Chris refuse to answer my and others' PMs. He is not the answers guy either.

I wasn't aware that Chris had offered up a definite ETA for when he would be able to post answers to folks' questions, least of all that he was answering questions immediately via PM. Last I heard, there was no ETA since Chris didn't know when he'd be able to get answers to questions to y'all, and once he did, he'd update thie first post in this thread the same way he did when he added questions #9-11 on the list.

[Dragoonlordz]

Adugan wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


@Stanley

Seeing as your monitoring stuff could you possibly be able to answer either question I asked on here at bottom of my post?

As i've mentioned before, i'm not the answer guy. That's still Chris. i'm just here to keep the thread from imploding.or exploding or... transploding, i guess.

Chris refuse to answer my and others' PMs. He is not the answers guy either.

The questions I refer to on my link are ones concerning CE editions and such though not Origin. I think he could/would/might be more willing to help with them when can. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 20 janvier 2012 - 02:15 .

[Adugan]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Chris refuse to answer my and others' PMs. He is not the answers guy either.

I wasn't aware that Chris had offered up a definite ETA for when he would be able to post answers to folks' questions, least of all that he was answering questions immediately via PM. Last I heard, there was no ETA since Chris didn't know when he'd be able to get answers to questions to y'all, and once he did, he'd update thie first post in this thread the same way he did when he added questions #9-11 on the list.

Sure, but he can at least say SOMETHING. He won't even answer my PM.

Modifié par Adugan, 20 janvier 2012 - 02:16 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

At the risk of a ban for mentioning it myself now, perhaps we could officially add "Why is sandboxing considered circumvention?" to the list? I'd be very interested to hear the "official" answer to this as well.

...don't hurt me...

[Stanley Woo]

Adugan wrote...
Sure, but he can at leas say SOMETHING. He won't even answer my PM.

He can, sure, but he's already said in this thread that there was no ETA on answers and that he was working on it. If you feel he has to answer you, then you're not really asking questions, are you? At that point, you'd be making demands of him. And if you are, I would counsel demonstrating some patience like the rest of the people in this thread awaiting answers are doing.

[Lux]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


@Stanley

Seeing as your monitoring stuff could you possibly be able to answer either question I asked on here at bottom of my post?

As i've mentioned before, i'm not the answer guy. That's still Chris. i'm just here to keep the thread from imploding.or exploding or... transploding, i guess.

Jeepers! Ninja Stan is doing a marathon in managing whiners (yes, that includes me). Ninja power!

As for Origin and ME3, Chris did imply that getting answers could take weeks.

[Bogsnot1]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

I have another question, which will probably be ignored (and get me banned again), just like all of the other legitimate questions I have asked.

Have the mods educated themselves on what sandboxing technology actually does, instead of claiming it "circumvents copyright", and banning those who talk about it?

Stanley Woo wrote...

Please do not discuss methods of circumventing Origins in this forum. Continuing to participate in such discussions may result in your post being edited or removed, all the way up to and including a forum ban for discussing forbidden topics and failing to heed Moderator instructions or warnings.

So thats a NO then.
As Chance52 stated, sandboxing will only affect Origin if Origin acts how the paranoid folk claim it will, and not in the "new, improved and bug-fixed" manner EA is trying to claim

By that answer, you have effectively informed the people here that EA does intend for Origin to scan through every single folder on the customers PC, and upload any and all data to EA servers for profiling and marketing purposes.

So, that leads on to another question, that will also be ignored.
If discussion of illegal activities is banned on this forum, why do topics exist on Origin, given the way it breaches data protection and privacy laws?


Stanley, please take the time to read through my sigs link to Wikipedias very simple explanation of what sandboxing does, and how it is used for legitimate, legal purposes, and has absolutely sod all to do with piracy and copyright circumvention.

[Stanley Woo]

Merkar wrote...

As for Origin and ME3, Chris did imply that getting answers could take weeks.

These are official answers people are seeking, which can take time, since they would have to be approved by several if not many different parts of the company before being released. while you guys have a convenient "answer guy" in the form of Chris Priestly, he may not have a similar person he can just go to for answers. He may have to traverse the dreaded Information Gauntlet in order to get the answers he's seeking. On the up side, he might win a cruise if he hits the correct Answer Cake, but he may also lose a shoe to the wrong Question Mongoose.

Please won't someone think of his poor shoes?

[kofelover]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Merkar wrote...

As for Origin and ME3, Chris did imply that getting answers could take weeks.

These are official answers people are seeking, which can take time, since they would have to be approved by several if not many different parts of the company before being released. while you guys have a convenient "answer guy" in the form of Chris Priestly, he may not have a similar person he can just go to for answers. He may have to traverse the dreaded Information Gauntlet in order to get the answers he's seeking. On the up side, he might win a cruise if he hits the correct Answer Cake, but he may also lose a shoe to the wrong Question Mongoose.

Please won't someone think of his poor shoes?

I would think that guantlet would begin and end in the legal department since that is clearly who authored the answers we've received so far.  The answer to question #5 is nothing short of duplicitous.

Modifié par kofelover, 20 janvier 2012 - 02:36 .

[Adugan]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Adugan wrote...
Sure, but he can at leas say SOMETHING. He won't even answer my PM.

He can, sure, but he's already said in this thread that there was no ETA on answers and that he was working on it. If you feel he has to answer you, then you're not really asking questions, are you? At that point, you'd be making demands of him. And if you are, I would counsel demonstrating some patience like the rest of the people in this thread awaiting answers are doing.

Saying something along the lines of "I can't say right now, but I'm looking into it" would make me know he is doing something beside ignoring me. I know that many people PMed him that question, so he can even copy paste the reply to each mail.

Modifié par Adugan, 20 janvier 2012 - 02:39 .

[Bogsnot1]

Stanley Woo wrote...
Please won't someone think of his poor shoes?

Because thinking of his shoes would then lead to thinking of the unholy brimstone stench that emenates from them once he takes them off, and nobody wants to lose their lunch.

[Dragoonlordz]

I am sure people would just say he's fobbing them off if used copy and paste to each in such manner though.

I'm more than willing to wait for answers on Origin I had asked since said he was looking into it already.

I thought might get answers more quickly though on CE questions I had linked earlier because known about the CE for much longer.  I'm still willing to wait for answers on it though even if time is literally running out on it as stock dwindles rapidly because no other choice until find out. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 20 janvier 2012 - 02:41 .

[Lux]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Stanley, please take the time to read through my sigs link to Wikipedias very simple explanation of what sandboxing does, and how it is used for legitimate, legal purposes, and has absolutely sod all to do with piracy and copyright circumvention.

It has everything to do with circumventing DRM. The DRM is still active but is prevented from working in the System. It's a gray area for sure but, technically, you're circumventing it.

[Aaleel]

Merkar wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Stanley, please take the time to read through my sigs link to Wikipedias very simple explanation of what sandboxing does, and how it is used for legitimate, legal purposes, and has absolutely sod all to do with piracy and copyright circumvention.

It has everything to do with circumventing DRM. The DRM is still active but is prevented from working in the System. It's a gray area for sure but, technically, you're circumventing it.

Avast has the function built in.  So someone is going to have to give me a really good explanation of how I'm doing something wrong or illegal by running a program through my anti virus as I do many others.

[kofelover]

Merkar wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Stanley, please take the time to read through my sigs link to Wikipedias very simple explanation of what sandboxing does, and how it is used for legitimate, legal purposes, and has absolutely sod all to do with piracy and copyright circumvention.

It has everything to do with circumventing DRM. The DRM is still active but is prevented from working in the System. It's a gray area for sure but, technically, you're circumventing it.

Seriously??
 
We have the right, at least for now in America, to set up our computers as we like.  I have 3 drives so I can keep things separated.  If someone chooses to "partition" areas of their legally bought piece of hardware, I know of no laws I am breaking.  Some people even choose to utilize an external drive.

God help us all if we lose the right to do something as basic as that. 

[Bogsnot1]

Merkar wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Stanley, please take the time to read through my sigs link to Wikipedias very simple explanation of what sandboxing does, and how it is used for legitimate, legal purposes, and has absolutely sod all to do with piracy and copyright circumvention.

It has everything to do with circumventing DRM. The DRM is still active but is prevented from working in the System. It's a gray area for sure but, technically, you're circumventing it.

It has nothing to do with circumventing DRM. If Origin works the way EA claims (only scans its own, and EA games folders), then limiting its access to the Origin & EA related folders will do nothing to circumvent the DRM regime within the games.
If Origin decides to scan outside of those folders for any reason, then we are now getting into the realms of breach of privacy and data protection laws by Origin, and that makes Origin the law breaker, not the customer.