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[Johnsen1972]

Could this be true???

http://winfuture.de/news,67701.html 

translated by me

 EA employee develops an open-source Origin!

Ironically, an EA employee is currently developing an open-source alternative to the controversial electronic-arts program Origin. It should be possible to play games like "Battlefield 3" or "Mass Effect 3" without the officially required program Origin.

The Website 'gamona', referring to entries in the official BioWare forum, reports that the user "dmex" currently works on an open-source alternative to Origin.

"dmex" is announced to be an employee in EA's Security Risk Management Team. According to his announcement, he develops the open source Origin for about three weeks in his spare time, and relies on the GPLv3 license. This was only possible because the Digital Rights Management (DRM) of the games are not bound to Origin itself.

OpenOrigin should have all the features of the original program, but will have add additional functions, such as status messages or data transfers between friends. In the future, many more features are announced. Dmex indicates that he plans to implement voice and video chats, in addition to IRC, and Facebook support. With the help of steamworks API you should also be able to contact the Steam users and the gaming platform Steam.


The source code will be released on 'Source Forge' in the near future and according to Dmex the code is structured in a very modular way, so everyone will be able to add or remove certain components without much effort.

The EA platform Origin was massively criticised after an attorney's read the End User License Agreement (EULA) and labeled the service as 'spyware'. After that  Electronic Arts  subsequently removed disputed passages from the EULA.

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 20 janvier 2012 - 03:25 .

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

@dmex

Thank you very much for providing additional information. Highly appreciated.  

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On a sidenote, as it was mentioned that two different users, sharing the same WAN IP address, could not be told  apart, there are ways, very likely to succeed; as e.g. next to ones WAN IP address, there are other means to read "fingerprints", taking the web browser as an example. And having large quantities of data/logs to be analyzed/filtered/scanned through/whatever isn't such a big deal any more in 2012. It's a matter of whether the investment into the ressources required for that is deemed expedient or opportune. (/end of splitting hairs )

http://panopticlick.eff.org/

However, thanks again for having shed more light on (Open) Origin. Maybe it'll allow me to buy the game after all AND stick to my principles. Time will tell.

#Edit: re-read it after posting and decided to add stuff.

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 20 janvier 2012 - 03:36 .

[Mister Mida]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Could this be true???
*snip*

You're late.

[Johnsen1972]

hehe sorry 

Im not monitoring the forum 24/7 

I just preordered ME3 Collectors Edition again. If that is true Im not going cancel it again.

Im still hoping for steam though:huh:

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 20 janvier 2012 - 03:38 .

[Lumikki]

jamesp81 wrote...

Your IP and MAC address by itself contain no personal information, They
don't contain your name, address, DOB or any other personal data.

I respect that you're here helping us out, but I have to disagree with you here.

IP  addresses and MAC addresses are definitely personal information, as both can be easily used to identify an individual, especially a MAC  address.

This information really should not be logged at all.  I get that it might be needed for part of the DRM authentication, but said information should be purged beyond recovery once authentication is successful.

I would say it this way. Your IP and MAC address it self doesn't fully identify person. How ever, they can be used to track person down, what does indentify the person behind of these addresses. It's not fully accurate, but accurate enough. Also because even dynamic IP-addresses doesn't change so often, it can be used to follow persons behavior pattern.  Point, what does it matter if person is named or numbered, it's still induvidual person.

Modifié par Lumikki, 20 janvier 2012 - 04:22 .

[Siegdrifa]

@ Dmex
Thank you for all the answers you provided.

I have one dumb question.
IF i don't misenderstand, it would be possible through Open-Origin or a custom version of it (being open souce) to enjoy our games without the forced collecting data, right ?

If so, what's the opinion of your superior and heads of EA toward your software ?
I though EA want to impose the forced collecting data among EA games players.
If not,... then why not include an option to turn off / on this collecting data within Origin client ?
I can certainely tolerate other plateform; i don't blame EA to expend their reach on this side, but this forced collecting is "no go" in my books.
Aren't you going against EA's plan with Open-Origin ?

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 20 janvier 2012 - 04:05 .

[Forbidden]

dmex wrote...

 

Forbidden wrote...Then why is Origin or OpenOrigin required for a game to be played at all?My understanding is that Steam's DRM, for instance, authorizes the games itself.  The games executable hooks to steam and steam tells it whether it should run or not, so if you try and run a Steam DRM'd game without Steam running, it won't work.  But what I think you're saying here is that the DRM is self-contained (contacting EA servers for initial auth directly).  If that's the case, then why is Bioware saying Origin needs to be running?  I can understand if you don't want to get too specific on the DRM process as proprietary, that's perfectly understandable, it just seems like Bioware says the Origin executable must be running for ME3 to work, but you're suggesting only an Origin account at EA's servers would be needed.  (Presumably, if the game is contacting EA directly to evaluate the DRM, the account would need to exist there)  So is this just a slight miscommunication between EA and Bioware?  (i.e. Like ToR, an Origin account is required, but the actual Origin Software doesn't need to be running)

The miscommunication would be in the explanation of how the two relate, Hopefully I can clear up the difference.

Origin handles what cd-key you have and the Single-Sign-On Token thats required for webclient calls to our services, DRM handles your game cd-key and cd-key activation.

The two are separate entities, right now Origin is the only software capable of authenticating with our services for the SSO token, this token is then used by games to access our other services, it's a required component but separate from your cd-key and it's activation (DRM).

Origin would indeed be required to be running for games to query the SSO token but would not be required for DRM minus initially querying your cd-key.

He is correct, Origin is required but only for the DRM software to query your cd-key and SSO token, If you consider OpenOrigin is able to provide your cd-key and SSO token in the same way then Origin becomes not so much required. The DRM is entirely separate from Origin in this regard as it relies upon something providing this information be it Origin or OpenOrigin.

So OpenOrigin does contain the authorization and there is nothing stopping a stripped-down version that just manages keys/tokens? 

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

@Billy the squid:

Hi mate,

as you had shared your legal knowledge numerous times on the Origin related threads: 

Any idea how using the OpenOrigin client (under  GNU General Public License version 3.0 (GPLv3)), in place of the closed source one, would affect the situation in legal regards? I understand that your reply will very likely "only" refer to your country's legislation.

Thanks in advance.

P.S.: I certainly would understand a reply as "Sorry, don't have the time to look into it.". Probably a PITA anyway.

Nevermind, as dmex != EA/BW.

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 20 janvier 2012 - 06:17 .

[Metalrocks]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Could this be true???

http://winfuture.de/news,67701.html

had to read it my self since i know german. so does that really mean i can play it after all wihtout using €As origin??
that would be so great. i hope its true. then march would be saved, since max payne 3 has been postponed.

[Johnsen1972]

Metalrocks wrote...

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Could this be true???

http://winfuture.de/news,67701.html

had to read it my self since i know german. so does that really mean i can play it after all wihtout using €As origin??
that would be so great. i hope its true. then march would be saved, since max payne 3 has been postponed.

That news made my day. You can't imagine how happy I am! I'm not forced to either pay with my privacy or pirate the game.

Preordered the Collectors Edition again. Im so happy.

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 20 janvier 2012 - 04:19 .

[Metalrocks]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Metalrocks wrote...

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Could this be true???

http://winfuture.de/news,67701.html

had to read it my self since i know german. so does that really mean i can play it after all wihtout using €As origin??
that would be so great. i hope its true. then march would be saved, since max payne 3 has been postponed.

That news made my day. You can't imagine how happy I am! I'm not forced to either pay with my privacy or pirate the game.

Preordered the Collectors Edition again. Im so happy.

i woulndt priate it either. and i also like my privat stuff to be privat.
i would love to order the CE, but hong kong cant even tell a week before if they get it <_<. dont ask my why. but i still can get it over ebay

Modifié par Metalrocks, 20 janvier 2012 - 04:25 .

[Chavez_Dice]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Metalrocks wrote...

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Could this be true???

http://winfuture.de/news,67701.html

had to read it my self since i know german. so does that really mean i can play it after all wihtout using €As origin??
that would be so great. i hope its true. then march would be saved, since max payne 3 has been postponed.

That news made my day. You can't imagine how happy I am! I'm not forced to either pay with my privacy or pirate the game.

Preordered the Collectors Edition again. Im so happy.

I will have to review the code myself first before I will even consider using it. After that, I would still not use it until EA changes its draconic policies. I am not going to buy anything with the added risk of losing my game library to a nonexistent reason.

[Vendrium]

I'm a bit worried that (even though I really appreciate the gesture) - we will not actually continue to get the answers we seek from Chris.

At least not those that will satisfy us.

I've been doing some thinking - and it is very likely that the people that Chris has to go to - in order to get answers to our questions - are various people that make decisions on what info is being released to the public and which of it is confidential.

Ultimately - as I've seen it happening before from inside companies - it could also very well be that there is a policy on how something is being communicated to the public.

Looking at all questions in the F.A.Q. which relate to Origin - and whether we can somehow 'get rid of it' while playing ME3 - I find the answers to be all very similar - and to me it smells like one thing:

Marketing.

EA just released a new platform which is trying to take off - and as it has already come under a lot of fire - EA is trying to sell its product as best as it can - and quenching rumors of 'Spyware' or alike.

Obviously EA is trying to calm down those who are worried and get more customers to use its platform.

Judging by an unrelated post as to what is going on in Poland - it's basically the same story:

Chris Priestly wrote...

Hi everyone. I have heard back from EA Poland as to what is happening. 

In Poland, the N7 Warfare gear is being offered exclusively digitally through Origin. This was a decision made by EA Poland to promote the digital Origin sales. It only effects Poland and was done at a regional level.

I know this isn't what some of you wanted to hear, but I thought you needed to know the facts so you can act with knowing the facts.

So - I'm assuming - the very guys that Chris has to go to - to seek our answer - also have their hands tied to marketing.

I could very well imagine that ME3 could possibly run without origin running in the background.
This is sometimes the case with steam games. You can launch some of them manually.

But - if I'm correct in my assessment - this obviously won't be communicated to the public - because that would defeat the whole purpose of "promoting" Origin.

I think the best way is to wait and see for ourselves.

I'm really not taking Chris here under fire - I think I've never seen a studio being so close nit with the community and I love the information exchange - but I think it's just fair to say that some people are waiting for the 'golden answers' of not requiring Origin or that something extraordinary will happen - and I just wanted to express my opinion about the likelyhood of that.

Modifié par Vendrium, 20 janvier 2012 - 05:25 .

[Chris Priestly]

Sorry folks, dmex is not an EA employee and what he claims is not valid.

[craigdolphin]

Edit: post deleted after seeing Chris Priestly's post about dmex.

Say what?

How is he posting on the official EA forum, with an EA avatar image, claiming to BE an EA employee, without the real EA moderators deleting his posts and clarifying his status? This strikes me as....bizarre.

Modifié par craigdolphin, 20 janvier 2012 - 06:03 .

[casadechrisso]

Gah, I saw that coming... 

[Ryzaki]

As did I.

[didymos1120]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sorry folks, dmex is not an EA employee and what he claims is not valid.

This seems to be true.  His avatar on the EA forums has an imgur URL, not one from an EA domain.  That's one elaborate troll.

Modifié par didymos1120, 20 janvier 2012 - 06:06 .

[casadechrisso]

craigdolphin wrote...

Edit: post deleted after seeing Chris Priestly's post about dmex.

Say what?

How is he posting on the official EA forum, with an EA avatar image, claiming to BE an EA employee, without the real EA moderators deleting his posts and clarifying his status? This strikes me as....bizarre.

Because EA mods don't read their own forums I assume. Speaks volumes.

[slimgrin]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sorry folks, dmex is not an EA employee and what he claims is not valid.

My main concern is the banning bit. If we get banned from the forum will we be locked out of Origin?

BTW, I have a great Japanese porn collection if Origin wants it.

Modifié par slimgrin, 20 janvier 2012 - 06:05 .

[Ryzaki]

casadechrisso wrote...

craigdolphin wrote...

Edit: post deleted after seeing Chris Priestly's post about dmex.

Say what?

How is he posting on the official EA forum, with an EA avatar image, claiming to BE an EA employee, without the real EA moderators deleting his posts and clarifying his status? This strikes me as....bizarre.

Because EA mods don't read their own forums I assume. Speaks volumes.

*facepalms*

Oi vey.

[Dragoonlordz]

slimgrin wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sorry folks, dmex is not an EA employee and what he claims is not valid.

My main concern is the banning bit. If we get banned from the forum will we be locked out of Origin?

BTW, I have a great Japanese porn collection if Origin wants it.

Can't say if EA wants it but probably few people on here would. Not saying I do or anything but theres always some people who might. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 20 janvier 2012 - 06:09 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sorry folks, dmex is not an EA employee and what he claims is not valid.

Does this mean the Dmex on the EA forums is not valid too or just that the BSN Dmex is not valid. Or both. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 20 janvier 2012 - 06:11 .

[craigdolphin]

Well crud, that's the best trolling I've encountered yet in any situation. dmex....'well played' I guess. Now get lost.

So, back to the beginning then.

Will you give us an opt-out of HD/data scanning?
Will you clarify what happens to our ability to play our legally purchased SP games if we refuse future EULA/TOS changes or client updates? How about forum bans?
If you decide to revoke our access to our legally puchased content due our unwillingness to accept changes to the EULA/TOS that were not published that the time of sale, will you refund the purchase price?
If you continue to allow forum bans to impact the access of single player games, will you provide a right of appeal by an independent third party?

[Furtled]

Annnnd to repeat since there's still no answer and EA's customer service sent me right back here...

Chris Priestly wrote...
5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

Would it be possible to get some official clarity on this one please? 

Right now that reads like you can opt-out of ME game data collection as you could with previous games, but that there is no option to opt out of Origin data collection - which is another kettle of fish entirely, and a pretty smelly one at that.

Moar Questions! (sorry Chris)
Will future DLC and patches be available through the BSN site like the ones for ME2 or will they only be available via Origin?

Will Origin be mandatory on DA3?

Thank you & have a good weekend
(p.s. if you've already responded to any of these and I've missed it - sorry!)

Modifié par Furtled, 20 janvier 2012 - 07:58 .