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[Pygmalin]

Nu-Nu wrote...

Take tips from the dragon age series, where the LI does some of the leg work, like when Alistair gave the Grey Warden a rose (so sweet) or when Zevran gave the warden precious earings. Or in DA2 when they visited the Champion at their home, instead of the main player always going to them.

Here here!

The whole, have 3 conversations, declare love/lust, have sex...end of game... of ME2 and somewhat of ME1(though convo in 1 was way better)  was just awful, honestly it made it REALLY easy to stick with the first choice. And Fem shep actually changing who SHE was to fit the person she was talking to was a bit annoying. I am really hoping they do more with it......mainly if you waited for Kaidan/Ashley.....you deserve a bit more conversations and cabin time.....

[LaurenShepard-N7]

Did anyone else find it annoying how creepy Femshep was when talking to her LIs in ME2? I'm just trying to have a normal friendly conversation with Jacob she's all awkwardly leaning back against the table like "I'M MORE INTERESTED IN JUST TALKING FOR A BIT :kissing:" every time! And when Thane is talking about his dead wife it suddenly comes up with the option to say "I want you Thane". Also with Garrus it wouldn't let me progress any further in my conversations with him unless I offered to test his reach and my flexibility... I liked it better in ME1 how Kaidan and Liara started showing interest in Shepard first, then you choose how to respond to them, and they got jealous if you were flirting with both of them. Having less characters meant there was more gradual development of the romance. In ME2 because there were a lot more choices Shepard was a lot more forward and pushy with her LIs, and seemed to get sexually suggestive pretty early in the conversations with them. Also I found it strange no one else on the ship seemed to notice or mention what was going on apart from Mordin... (And if you don't hit on anyone, Mordin thinks you want him haha) 
I guess what I'm saying is Shepard needs to be a bit more subtle with her LIs at first and the flirting should progress naturally in the conversation, not just awkwardly pop up out of nowhere.

[CovertMcAnonymous]

Nekkid. Good. Good. Luvvin'.



Alright, we're not talkin a visit to the late night Pay Per View channels here, but still. If blue alien sideboob caused fangasming and sensational free advertising in ME1, it'll damnwell work again.

Modifié par CovertMcAnonymous, 18 janvier 2012 - 08:28 .

[schemata]

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

Did anyone else find it annoying how creepy Femshep was when talking to her LIs in ME2? I'm just trying to have a normal friendly conversation with Jacob she's all awkwardly leaning back against the table like "I'M MORE INTERESTED IN JUST TALKING FOR A BIT :kissing:" every time! And when Thane is talking about his dead wife it suddenly comes up with the option to say "I want you Thane". Also with Garrus it wouldn't let me progress any further in my conversations with him unless I offered to test his reach and my flexibility... I liked it better in ME1 how Kaidan and Liara started showing interest in Shepard first, then you choose how to respond to them, and they got jealous if you were flirting with both of them. Having less characters meant there was more gradual development of the romance. In ME2 because there were a lot more choices Shepard was a lot more forward and pushy with her LIs, and seemed to get sexually suggestive pretty early in the conversations with them. Also I found it strange no one else on the ship seemed to notice or mention what was going on apart from Mordin... (And if you don't hit on anyone, Mordin thinks you want him haha) 
I guess what I'm saying is Shepard needs to be a bit more subtle with her LIs at first and the flirting should progress naturally in the conversation, not just awkwardly pop up out of nowhere.

is this true???? Or were you "just saying"? youtube link anyone??

[Nu-Nu]

schemata wrote...

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

Did anyone else find it annoying how creepy Femshep was when talking to her LIs in ME2? I'm just trying to have a normal friendly conversation with Jacob she's all awkwardly leaning back against the table like "I'M MORE INTERESTED IN JUST TALKING FOR A BIT :kissing:" every time! And when Thane is talking about his dead wife it suddenly comes up with the option to say "I want you Thane". Also with Garrus it wouldn't let me progress any further in my conversations with him unless I offered to test his reach and my flexibility... I liked it better in ME1 how Kaidan and Liara started showing interest in Shepard first, then you choose how to respond to them, and they got jealous if you were flirting with both of them. Having less characters meant there was more gradual development of the romance. In ME2 because there were a lot more choices Shepard was a lot more forward and pushy with her LIs, and seemed to get sexually suggestive pretty early in the conversations with them. Also I found it strange no one else on the ship seemed to notice or mention what was going on apart from Mordin... (And if you don't hit on anyone, Mordin thinks you want him haha) 
I guess what I'm saying is Shepard needs to be a bit more subtle with her LIs at first and the flirting should progress naturally in the conversation, not just awkwardly pop up out of nowhere.

is this true???? Or were you "just saying"? youtube link anyone??

Well, you can flirt with Mordin (well if you're femshep), but he pretty much turns you down straight away and says he's not interested. He's not like Samara when it came to conflicted romances, he just totally not interested. I don't know if you have to ignore the others, I'm sure I got that scene while my renegade Shepard was flirting with everyone.

Pygmalin wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Take tips from the dragon age series, where the LI does some of the leg work, like when Alistair gave the Grey Warden a rose (so sweet) or when Zevran gave the warden precious earings. Or in DA2 when they visited the Champion at their home, instead of the main player always going to them.

Here here!

The whole, have 3 conversations, declare love/lust, have sex...end of game... of ME2 and somewhat of ME1(though convo in 1 was way better)  was just awful, honestly it made it REALLY easy to stick with the first choice. And Fem shep actually changing who SHE was to fit the person she was talking to was a bit annoying. I am really hoping they do more with it......mainly if you waited for Kaidan/Ashley.....you deserve a bit more conversations and cabin time.....

I did like the Mass effect 2 set up before I played Dragon age, it was so different from other games, I was like omg this is awesome. Then I played DA and realised how much better it could have been. To be fair, the loyalty missions helped fill out the romances I think, the way you interacted with the characters and whether you cared about their plight, so it wasn't just 3 conversastions for me. It was 3 convos and a mission.

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

Also I found it strange no one else on the ship seemed to notice or mention what was going on apart from Mordin... (And if you don't hit on anyone, Mordin thinks you want him haha) 
I guess what I'm saying is Shepard needs to be a bit more subtle with her LIs at first and the flirting should progress naturally in the conversation, not just awkwardly pop up out of nowhere.

Kasumi made comments once you've progressed the relationship with another.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

More interaction other than just building up to sex, mentioning sex, then acting like nothing happened.

[Wynne]

I would also like to have sex more than once. I don't think that's too much to ask.

Also I'm a woman, not a horny guy. I feel I have to clarify that; otherwise people assume.

Shinobu wrote...

Asenza wrote...

It could be improved by making it less about the LI baring their soul to Shepard and more Shepard giving back. A relationship takes two giving equally, or a least, it should.

It isn't as if Shepard is limited as a result of being the player-character- he/she has a set background and personal and military history, in addition to decisions made previous games. Just bloody give Shepard some chances to talk about it! How have these things affected them? Did a Renegade regret taking Morinth over Samara? Is a paragon now uneasy about having re-written the heretic Geth or allowing the Rachni queen to live? Is a female Shepard worried about how her romance with Thane or Garrus will be seen by others?

If they have a prayer of making Shepard even half as real a character as the rest of the cast, Shepard needs opportunities, and many of them, to express themself in ME3. It's an issue that bleeds through many other parts of the story, including the romances.

By sole virtue of the fact that many players will be in an established relationship by this point, I have hope that they will change for the better in ME3. No more build up, it should be about sustaining a relationship at this point, not beginning one.

If they do it right, it'll be amazing, regardless of the LI.

I like this human -- she understands!

Yup, that post is full of win.

Seriously, if they build up the platonic interactions and make them drive the romances realistically, then the romances will feel good. They really should only be a relatively small part, as they were in LotSB--just a little step further in regards to intimacy, whereas you can still have a fairly intimate friendship.

Romances/sex should be icing, not the cake. Also, there should be more cake, and more icing as well. But fewer individual cakes. Maybe a few cupcakes here and there. But more large cakes, which are not lies.

Modifié par Wynne, 18 janvier 2012 - 01:27 .

[menagrabinna]

I think the formula of talk--talk--talk--oh we're about to die lets have sex now--talk--and is getting old. I certainly home ME3 breaks this formula with love triangles, advances from squad mates (perhaps ones who haven't been romances) more romance options and of course marriage :B

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

More ******, more nudity, more sex.

What? I'm just taking up my boyfriend's challenge of thinking like a guy for a day.

Did I mention more sex?

[LaurenShepard-N7]

schemata wrote...

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

Did anyone else find it annoying how creepy Femshep was when talking to her LIs in ME2? I'm just trying to have a normal friendly conversation with Jacob she's all awkwardly leaning back against the table like "I'M MORE INTERESTED IN JUST TALKING FOR A BIT :kissing:" every time! And when Thane is talking about his dead wife it suddenly comes up with the option to say "I want you Thane". Also with Garrus it wouldn't let me progress any further in my conversations with him unless I offered to test his reach and my flexibility... I liked it better in ME1 how Kaidan and Liara started showing interest in Shepard first, then you choose how to respond to them, and they got jealous if you were flirting with both of them. Having less characters meant there was more gradual development of the romance. In ME2 because there were a lot more choices Shepard was a lot more forward and pushy with her LIs, and seemed to get sexually suggestive pretty early in the conversations with them. Also I found it strange no one else on the ship seemed to notice or mention what was going on apart from Mordin... (And if you don't hit on anyone, Mordin thinks you want him haha) 
I guess what I'm saying is Shepard needs to be a bit more subtle with her LIs at first and the flirting should progress naturally in the conversation, not just awkwardly pop up out of nowhere.

is this true???? Or were you "just saying"? youtube link anyone??

[RynJ]

Some more conversations with your LI, being able to tell them "I love you" and even sleep with them more than once (ala DA:O) LI's actually taking an interest in Shepard's life instead of whining about their own problems.

Yeah pretty much that. So many of the romances felt so cheap and unsatisfying. For example: Garrus romance. I love Garrus, I really do, but that romance was kind of awful when you think about it. You have like 3 conversations with the guy (between his never-ending callibrations) most of which are just pervy flirting that doesn't seem to have any real feeling or depth or love at all.  Then all of the sudden you mean so much to him and you're touching foreheads and fading to black....and that's it.

The point is so many of the romances feel like tacked on fanservice. I'm not saying they have to be the most amazing romances ever and there has to be thousands of meaningful conversations, but Bioware can definitely do much, much better. Hopefully in ME3 they will!

Modifié par RynJ, 18 janvier 2012 - 04:58 .

[Kyda]

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

Did anyone else find it annoying how creepy Femshep was when talking to her LIs in ME2? I'm just trying to have a normal friendly conversation with Jacob she's all awkwardly leaning back against the table like "I'M MORE INTERESTED IN JUST TALKING FOR A BIT :kissing:" every time! And when Thane is talking about his dead wife it suddenly comes up with the option to say "I want you Thane". Also with Garrus it wouldn't let me progress any further in my conversations with him unless I offered to test his reach and my flexibility... I liked it better in ME1 how Kaidan and Liara started showing interest in Shepard first, then you choose how to respond to them, and they got jealous if you were flirting with both of them. Having less characters meant there was more gradual development of the romance. In ME2 because there were a lot more choices Shepard was a lot more forward and pushy with her LIs, and seemed to get sexually suggestive pretty early in the conversations with them. Also I found it strange no one else on the ship seemed to notice or mention what was going on apart from Mordin... (And if you don't hit on anyone, Mordin thinks you want him haha) 
I guess what I'm saying is Shepard needs to be a bit more subtle with her LIs at first and the flirting should progress naturally in the conversation, not just awkwardly pop up out of nowhere.

 LOL... this. I felt like I was harassing them all. The Jacob lines were just embarrassing, I kept thinking to myself "why does she keep using that pervert voice I am not even interested in him for a romance (I was with Kaidan)".
I love Garrus as a character and I was thrilled to find him as a squad member so I tried a second game to romance him and first it was all good with us being friends and suddenly I had to pick that awful line about "releasing tension together" and the response I got from him kind of made me feel totally out of place, like I was forcing this on him.
For me Thane was the easiest to talk to but I do admit that the "I want you" line felt a little out of place.
I just wish you could talk with them like you would actually do in a conversation. For instance, during the game if you had charm or intimidation it would give you extra lines to either charm or intimidate people, then why can´t some of this lines be treated similarly, like if you are an intimating person you could use more intimidating lines and on the other hand if you prefer more subtle ones you could pick those. 

Probably it is a lot of extra work, but being an RPG it would be nice if my PC doesn´t sound like a men hunter all the time. 

[Abraham_uk]

knightnblu wrote...

I think that the reason game romances, and Mass Effect romances particularly, have such high expectations is because the gaming technology has evolved so much. The player is injected into the game environment and drives the story as if he is actually living a motion picture. He interacts with interesting characters, he makes decisions that have an impact on the story, and when it comes to romance the player naturally expects more from a game where every other dimension of the game story has been enhanced.

If you go back a couple of years and track the comments there is a consistent demand for more NPC interaction and character development and romance goes hand in hand with that. You meet an NPC that you like, you flirt, and then you take it to the next level in the game environment. With quality voice actors and the level of sophistication of facial expressions and body movement it really isn't hard to understand how someone would want to explore just how deep the romance part of the story could go, particularly over a set of games where the player character can be imported with his decisions, romances, etc.

If you follow these boards at all, you will find threads dedicated to individual characters, threads discussing character biology, and even the fertility of characters. That means that there is a serious fan base. However, merely asking the BioWare devs for better romance hasn't returned any serious results as of yet and I am hoping that ME3 will correct that. I would recommend going to Spike and any other awards people and encouraging them to add a romance category to their list of awards for games.

I think that stimulus will finally drive what the fans want in their games regarding the romance side of the story because the games developers will try to shoot for that target in order to add another trophy to the mantle. Further, it would also provide another dimension for the voice actors to explore, further fleshing out their characters. Of course, this would likely add a few more dollars to the cost of the product, but if it were done right I would spend my money for it.

I have to wholeheartedly agree with you on this one. Technology progresses means it is possible to achieve the depth of romance that players have come to expect. I am of the opinion that video game romance can never be a substitute for real life romance. However a lot more can be done to engage players.

[Abraham_uk]

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

I think DA:O got it perfect! There was romance options for everyone. I like how you could click on anyone at any time and have a convo with them about their morals, goals, their future. In return they would stop you sometimes and ask you questions about who you are. They might not like how you handled situations or like you in general but oh well the game went on. I like that you saw the romance progress slowly and how others actually noticed you were together. They even made jealous remarks about it. I like the fact that the love scene isn't at the end of the big battle where everyone can die. Also you can very early on in the game tell someone you like them as a friend ONLY and still have a friendship path with them. ME romances just feel rushed and not enough interaction. They barely get to know Shepard as a real human being. No personal questions about your past. LOTSB was perfect cause Liara actually asked Shep how he/she was doing. I would love and hope to see more of that kind of thing where your LI actully is concerned about you and want to get to know you. I hope ME3 touches on at least some of this.

It wasn't perfect. It was almost perfect. Just one little niggle. "No matter how many imoral actions you perform I will still love you as long as you give me loads of expensive gifts." Too much like real life? Goodness if I had a partner who kept asking me to go shopping for gifts I'd be fed up.

[Silver77nz]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

I think DA:O got it perfect! There was romance options for everyone. I like how you could click on anyone at any time and have a convo with them about their morals, goals, their future. In return they would stop you sometimes and ask you questions about who you are. They might not like how you handled situations or like you in general but oh well the game went on. I like that you saw the romance progress slowly and how others actually noticed you were together. They even made jealous remarks about it. I like the fact that the love scene isn't at the end of the big battle where everyone can die. Also you can very early on in the game tell someone you like them as a friend ONLY and still have a friendship path with them. ME romances just feel rushed and not enough interaction. They barely get to know Shepard as a real human being. No personal questions about your past. LOTSB was perfect cause Liara actually asked Shep how he/she was doing. I would love and hope to see more of that kind of thing where your LI actully is concerned about you and want to get to know you. I hope ME3 touches on at least some of this.

It wasn't perfect. It was almost perfect. Just one little niggle. "No matter how many imoral actions you perform I will still love you as long as you give me loads of expensive gifts." Too much like real life? Goodness if I had a partner who kept asking me to go shopping for gifts I'd be fed up.

Ok you just made me laugh about the gifts things cause it brings up memories of the whole decision to let Conner's mother kill herself or to kill him yourself. Makes most of the party very angry....hmm I will go buy them a gold necklace:O Aww my approval just went up 10 pts. So that I will give you credit for.

[Tazzmission]

they could go the god of war route by having 2 girls one guy or even a bisexual type romance regarding 2 guys one female

they could also keep same sex romances in as a single option and same with straight romances

[Olive Oomph]

Ah, they are just following the tradition set by King Richard IV.



Blood! Death! War! Rumpy pumpy! Triumph!

But serioulsy, they should change this up a little.
Some really nice suggestions in the OP.

[Moondoggie]

I'd like if there was some actual romance and bonding with the players chosen romance partner. It just feels like a mini game where you try to chose the right answers to get a sex scene and The Witcher already has that covered so i'd love for Bioware to be a bit deeper with relationships. They touched on it in the Dragon Age series with those romances i actually felt some sort of development with the LI and i felt like they had reasons to care about me and there were some nice touches where you'd remember things they said like Morrigans mirror story form her childhood so you can buy her a mirror which she finds touching that you remembered. I'd like more things like that and more development instead of just making it feel like a game because that kills the immersion of romances in games for me.

[Moondoggie]

Abraham_uk wrote...



It wasn't perfect. It was almost perfect. Just one little niggle. "No matter how many imoral actions you perform I will still love you as long as you give me loads of expensive gifts." Too much like real life? Goodness if I had a partner who kept asking me to go shopping for gifts I'd be fed up.

That flaw could be amusing at times like with Leliana if you defile the ashes and she threatens to turn on you, with a high cohersion score you can intimidate her and she'll back down but makes it clear she'll never forgive you which kills the romance but then you just need to buy her a Nug and she forgets that she was mad at you and you can carry on bedding her XD

[Nu-Nu]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

By removing them altogether. I'm serious. That will be the end of the "My LI is better than your LI" and "Why is so and so not an LI" arguments.

So far, with regards to every single romance, the fan work I've seen are far superior to the official content. So why have any official content in the first place?

You monster!!!!!

jk

All this rivalry is great motivation to create good fan work, and official work is inspirational too.

[Nu-Nu]

*double post*

Modifié par Nu-Nu, 18 janvier 2012 - 11:42 .

[Abraham_uk]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

More ******, more nudity, more sex.

What? I'm just taking up my boyfriend's challenge of thinking like a guy for a day.

Did I mention more sex?

You're missing something. All the sexist remarks made about women. Talk about sport. Non stop bravado. Being impulsive about every decision in life.


Back to the thread. I am glad about some of the amazing posts in this thread.

So Bioware please tell us more about Shepard's backstory and millitary profile! I don't care if Shepard tells us about it through exposition to a love interest or through a playable flashback.

Make the love interest ask more questions about Shepard. Beliefs, values, feelings about the mission, feelings about the team members. A bit of banter here and there. Let love interests and potential love interests approach Comander Shepard.

[AgitatedLemon]

I would actually like it if Shepard brought up his backgrounds during romance conversations.

Take for instance Miranda. She always brings up her childhood and her genetic tailoring. Shepard could make a reference to him being the only marine to survive Akuze ("I lost a lot of friends that day..."), or (If you felt like it) rationalize his sacrificing of his squad on Torfan ("It was a necessary sacrifice. Those men knew what they had signed on for"), or tell a war story on how he repelled the batarian slavers on Elysium.

It'd be awesome for people who want to RP their Shepards in a way that doesn't make them seem stupid.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 19 janvier 2012 - 08:48 .

[ReallyRue]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

I think DA:O got it perfect! There was romance options for everyone. I like how you could click on anyone at any time and have a convo with them about their morals, goals, their future. In return they would stop you sometimes and ask you questions about who you are. They might not like how you handled situations or like you in general but oh well the game went on. I like that you saw the romance progress slowly and how others actually noticed you were together. They even made jealous remarks about it. I like the fact that the love scene isn't at the end of the big battle where everyone can die. Also you can very early on in the game tell someone you like them as a friend ONLY and still have a friendship path with them. ME romances just feel rushed and not enough interaction. They barely get to know Shepard as a real human being. No personal questions about your past. LOTSB was perfect cause Liara actually asked Shep how he/she was doing. I would love and hope to see more of that kind of thing where your LI actully is concerned about you and want to get to know you. I hope ME3 touches on at least some of this.

It wasn't perfect. It was almost perfect. Just one little niggle. "No matter how many imoral actions you perform I will still love you as long as you give me loads of expensive gifts." Too much like real life? Goodness if I had a partner who kept asking me to go shopping for gifts I'd be fed up.

I think DA2's friendship/rivalry romances were a better in that respect. You could romance someone with a completely different moral outlook, and it showed in the tension between Hawke and the LI. It still could've been better, but I think that was definitely a step in the right direction.