1. No Leliana romance for the Warden. Leliana has gone from a lay sister in DAO to a Seeker in DA2 to the Divine's personal agent in Asunder. So any story line involving a romance with Leliana appears to be nonexistent in the official storyline. This Leliana is too dedicated to the Chantry to have a romance. However given how she pops up in DA2 and Asunder I suspect she will be in DA3.
2. It appears the little discussion between Varric and the Seeker takes place after the events of Asunder. Varric final remarks about the templar rebellion now looks to be a foretelling of the final events of the book. And Alistair's remarks to the Champion is a foretelling of the civil war in Orlais. However I suspect that all the characters of DA2 will only appear as cameos in DA3 just as the DAO characters appeared in DA2.
3. Which leads to a possible hint about DA3. It will be set in Orlais and revolve around the resolution of the mage/templar conflict and how the Chantry brings both back under control with the Orlais civil war as the backdrop. So who will be the new Player Character in DA3? Maybe (s)he will be an Orlaisian caught up in the civil war who rises to power and ends it.
4. Sadly there is no hint in Asunder as to whether Morrigan will return. Witch Hunt may have been the end of her involvement in the series just as DA2 hints that Flemeth has also gone away. However there is nothing that prevents them from returning in their own series of games once this series about the mage/templar conflict ends.
Harold
Implications of Asunder for the games
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#2
Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 05:28
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I think your first assumtion is a bit unfair. Nothing says the Warden and Leliana aren't a couple. Just that they aren't glued to one another's hips seven years later. But them having a relationship is perfectly possible, even if it -at the time- it seems to be fairly long distance (mind there's a 16-20 day time-window in the book that she might use to visit her significant other).
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Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 05:41
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haroldhardluck wrote...
1. No Leliana romance for the Warden. Leliana has gone from a lay sister in DAO to a Seeker in DA2 to the Divine's personal agent in Asunder. So any story line involving a romance with Leliana appears to be nonexistent in the official storyline. This Leliana is too dedicated to the Chantry to have a romance. However given how she pops up in DA2 and Asunder I suspect she will be in DA3.
I'd assume that if The Warden opposed the Chantry for one reason or another (from being Dalish to supporting the emancipation of the mages from the Chantry and the Order of Templars), they wouldn't remain in a romantic relationship anymore once Leliana became an agent of the Divine.
haroldhardluck wrote...
2. It appears the little discussion between Varric and the Seeker takes place after the events of Asunder. Varric final remarks about the templar rebellion now looks to be a foretelling of the final events of the book. And Alistair's remarks to the Champion is a foretelling of the civil war in Orlais. However I suspect that all the characters of DA2 will only appear as cameos in DA3 just as the DAO characters appeared in DA2.
I'd assume this is likely (about any possible cameos).
haroldhardluck wrote...
3. Which leads to a possible hint about DA3. It will be set in Orlais and revolve around the resolution of the mage/templar conflict and how the Chantry brings both back under control with the Orlais civil war as the backdrop. So who will be the new Player Character in DA3? Maybe (s)he will be an Orlaisian caught up in the civil war who rises to power and ends it.
I'm not certain how one person is supposed to stop a war among a myraid of factions across an entire continent... nor do I find it interesting that the protagonist would restore the "status quo."
haroldhardluck wrote...
4. Sadly there is no hint in Asunder as to whether Morrigan will return. Witch Hunt may have been the end of her involvement in the series just as DA2 hints that Flemeth has also gone away. However there is nothing that prevents them from returning in their own series of games once this series about the mage/templar conflict ends.
Harold
I'll admit that I'm more interested in the possible implications about what Morrigan and The Warden (who romanced her, like my Surana Warden) would be doing (especially with the OGB) than I am in the templar v. mage war.
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Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 06:48
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LobselVith8 wrote...
I'm not certain how one person is supposed to stop a war among a myraid of factions across an entire continent... nor do I find it interesting that the protagonist would restore the "status quo."
Wars among a myriad of factions are usually ended by one man whose armies defeat those of everyone else. That was how Japan was re-united again during the era of the Warring States. Given the past practice of the PC not becoming the ruler, I suspect the PC in DA3 will help restore order in Orlais.
Finding a solution to the free mages problem requires not restoring the status quo. However restoring law and order to Orlais is a requirement for any such solution to work.
Harold
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Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 06:53
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Sir JK wrote...
I think your first assumtion is a bit unfair. Nothing says the Warden and Leliana aren't a couple. Just that they aren't glued to one another's hips seven years later. But them having a relationship is perfectly possible, even if it -at the time- it seems to be fairly long distance (mind there's a 16-20 day time-window in the book that she might use to visit her significant other).
The Leliana I see in DA2 and Asunder is simply not the same as the Leiliana that my Warden romanced. My Leliana was a young woman fleeing a very bad relationship and was looking for love. The Leliana I see DA2 and Asunder is a cypher who appears to be too much of a fanatic to have a relationship with anyone other than the Chantry. If there was a romance, it ended long before Leliana's appearance in DA2.
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Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 10:49
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Really? She told my Hawke that the Warden was dear to her heart. Leliana's devotion to the chantry does not stop her from having a relationship unless you're Warden was very anti-chantry. It's not like she's become a revered mother.haroldhardluck wrote...
Sir JK wrote...
I think your first assumtion is a bit unfair. Nothing says the Warden and Leliana aren't a couple. Just that they aren't glued to one another's hips seven years later. But them having a relationship is perfectly possible, even if it -at the time- it seems to be fairly long distance (mind there's a 16-20 day time-window in the book that she might use to visit her significant other).
The Leliana I see in DA2 and Asunder is simply not the same as the Leiliana that my Warden romanced. My Leliana was a young woman fleeing a very bad relationship and was looking for love. The Leliana I see DA2 and Asunder is a cypher who appears to be too much of a fanatic to have a relationship with anyone other than the Chantry. If there was a romance, it ended long before Leliana's appearance in DA2.
Harold
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Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 11:11
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Well, since the Warden disappears, isn't the only case where the Warden could still be with a LI be with Morrigan.
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Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 11:21
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Lord Aesir wrote...
Really? She told my Hawke that the Warden was dear to her heart. Leliana's devotion to the chantry does not stop her from having a relationship unless you're Warden was very anti-chantry. It's not like she's become a revered mother.
In practical terms it's not much of a relationship if one of you is doing missions for the Chantry in Orlais, and the other one is dividing their time between Amaranthine and the Deep Roads.
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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 05:57
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haroldhardluck wrote...
The Leliana I see in DA2 and Asunder is simply not the same as the Leiliana that my Warden romanced. My Leliana was a young woman fleeing a very bad relationship and was looking for love. The Leliana I see DA2 and Asunder is a cypher who appears to be too much of a fanatic to have a relationship with anyone other than the Chantry. If there was a romance, it ended long before Leliana's appearance in DA2.
Harold
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Note that just because you feel your warden wouldn't romance her doesn't mean no warden would. The possibilities range from a Val Royeux - Amaranthine longdistance relationship to a warden being present in the book (just that noone recogniced him/her... or kept their tounges) to having broken it off to not having been in a relationship with her at all.
How you can deduce that she's a fanatical cypher is beyond me. Is she tight lipped, certainly. But she is working for a personal friend (who just happens to be the most powerful woman in the world) and happens to be a Bard by training. Not speaking up is good for one's health in that regard.
As for the fanatiscism. Sure, she works for the divine. But that divine is a personal friend of hers. She could be perfectly rational about it. That she helped the warden and co is not a sign of her supposed fanatiscism as well, is it? She is however very religious, but that and being a fanatic is not quite the same
. So it's certainly still very possible for a relationship. With every warden? No. But for some wardens certainly. It is not by a long shot a possibility that's been written out.
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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 06:29
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Implications? If my Warden or Hawke or the third Dragon Age protagonist have anything to say about it, Leliana is so dead. Fiona is, too. And Evangeline/Rhys will die. Would kill Wynne, as well, but she's dead already. And the Divine will burn, there's no question about that.
The Divine, together with her faithful Leliana, condoned making that poor elf Tranquil for the second time. Or, at least, Leliana protected the Divine who condoned it. She is anti-mage. She would probably condone the Right of Annulment, too, judging by the way she spoke in Kirkwall Chantry.
Fiona gave birth to a baby who could potentially put all Ferelden into another civil war(especially him being a son of Maric and a former elven sexual slave), she became Grand Enchanter, stealing the place from the Mage Warden and probably other deserving people who spent their lifetimes in the Circle, and she cannot die from the Calling. Hells, I'd get rid of her on Mary-Sue factor alone.
Rhys was under the influence of blood magic, and accomplice(cover-up) to murders of innocent people. Evangeline was, too, not to mention that she's a dangerous lyrium addict who betrayed the templars, and before that, she was a templar - a jailor, in other words. A classic damned if you do, damned if you don't. And as human beings, Rhys/Evangeline weren't decent to Adrian, either, flaunting their "romance" in her face.
And, what's more important, neither of them is a rich, interesting character - they're all archetypes. Morrigan, Zevran, Shale, Anders and Orsino have done far worse things and are, come to think of it, far less innocent and far more dangerous - but they're interesting. I like them. Other people love them, judging by 100-pages-long topics. But Asunder characters? In my games, they are so dead.
The Divine, together with her faithful Leliana, condoned making that poor elf Tranquil for the second time. Or, at least, Leliana protected the Divine who condoned it. She is anti-mage. She would probably condone the Right of Annulment, too, judging by the way she spoke in Kirkwall Chantry.
Fiona gave birth to a baby who could potentially put all Ferelden into another civil war(especially him being a son of Maric and a former elven sexual slave), she became Grand Enchanter, stealing the place from the Mage Warden and probably other deserving people who spent their lifetimes in the Circle, and she cannot die from the Calling. Hells, I'd get rid of her on Mary-Sue factor alone.
Rhys was under the influence of blood magic, and accomplice(cover-up) to murders of innocent people. Evangeline was, too, not to mention that she's a dangerous lyrium addict who betrayed the templars, and before that, she was a templar - a jailor, in other words. A classic damned if you do, damned if you don't. And as human beings, Rhys/Evangeline weren't decent to Adrian, either, flaunting their "romance" in her face.
And, what's more important, neither of them is a rich, interesting character - they're all archetypes. Morrigan, Zevran, Shale, Anders and Orsino have done far worse things and are, come to think of it, far less innocent and far more dangerous - but they're interesting. I like them. Other people love them, judging by 100-pages-long topics. But Asunder characters? In my games, they are so dead.
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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 07:18
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I wonder if Maric actually didn't get lost at sea and he was taken to an Orlais prison like the rumors say and maybe he has integrated himself into Orlesian high society?
Its possible, didn't Flemeth tell him that he would become what he hated to save the ones he loves? I haven't read the books but thats what I saw and Maric was anti-Orlesian right?
He would be an old man though if that were true. And Gaider sort of debunked the idea of him being alive (there is a forum post)
Its possible, didn't Flemeth tell him that he would become what he hated to save the ones he loves? I haven't read the books but thats what I saw and Maric was anti-Orlesian right?
He would be an old man though if that were true. And Gaider sort of debunked the idea of him being alive (there is a forum post)
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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 11:17
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By Act 2 in DA2 Merrill is talking about Mahariel being the Lost Warden so I assume our warden has long disappeared. Which might be another reason why a romanced Leliana is dedicated to Justina.
I'm hoping DA3 will give us a lot more freedom than demanding a return to the status quo. Rather than a noble I think that regardless of class the protagonist of DA3 will be a Seeker recruited by Cassandra. Then later we'll given the option of joining Lambert's Seekers and Templars, Evangelin/Rhys' army or staying with Cassandra and the Devine.
Of course I'm also hoping we get class origins even if we don't get species choice so it's likely I'm hoping for too much.
I'm hoping DA3 will give us a lot more freedom than demanding a return to the status quo. Rather than a noble I think that regardless of class the protagonist of DA3 will be a Seeker recruited by Cassandra. Then later we'll given the option of joining Lambert's Seekers and Templars, Evangelin/Rhys' army or staying with Cassandra and the Devine.
Of course I'm also hoping we get class origins even if we don't get species choice so it's likely I'm hoping for too much.
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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 11:29
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Ser Bard wrote...
By Act 2 in DA2 Merrill is talking about Mahariel being the Lost Warden so I assume our warden has long disappeared.
Act 3. And this is complicated by King Alistair seeming to know where the warden is.
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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 04:20
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They refer to Mahariel because he is lost to the Dalish, the clan and their way of life (being an arl and warden commander now) not because he is missing
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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 06:38
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Wulfram wrote...
Act 3. And this is complicated by King Alistair seeming to know where the warden is.
From Asunder we now know that the conversion between Varric and the Seeker took place one year after the events of the game DA2. It is only then that we learn the Warden is also missing. So Alistair's knowledge in Act 3 about the where abouts of the Warden may no longer be valid as it is a year old.
Unlike the games where there are parallel outcomes, Asunder is canonical.
Harold
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 06:18
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Wulfram wrote...
Ser Bard wrote...
By Act 2 in DA2 Merrill is talking about Mahariel being the Lost Warden so I assume our warden has long disappeared.
Act 3. And this is complicated by King Alistair seeming to know where the warden is.
Actually if you listened to the dialog from Merrill and the Keeper Marethari you'd know that wasn't what she meant by the Warden being lost.
