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[PauseforEffect]

I like Ashley for her hilarious sense of humor and her ability to feel compassion even for aliens that she held in suspicion before. She's a complex character with flaws and virtues that make her believable. And like a lot of believable personalities, there are moments when she'll tick me off, but in the end, I'd rather have her and Kaiden around instead of Virmiring them.

[lobi]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Well because Liara and Garrus were my Shepard's bff and Wrex was super cool, I was not happy with Ashley's attitude towards them, she only survived one playthrough with me. Interesting character but caused too much of an atmosphere.

Were Liara and Garrus your bffs as soon as you met them? The only time she even mentions having some kind of problem with them is in the beginning of their recruitment

This, people are just regurgitating the same stuff.

Most Aliens in game are just of wary of humans. All are competing for resources. Which shep steals from planets colonised by other species on Tim's behalf in ME2 using probes and stealth.

Modifié par lobi, 19 janvier 2012 - 02:02 .

[Ravensword]

lobi wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

This thread needs more images.
*snip

Dont spam DA related images in an me romance thread raven, someone may ask you to leave.

Have you ever walked the length of the Nullarbor Highway?

[lobi]

Ravensword wrote...
Have you ever walked the length of the Nullarbor Highway?

Have you ever left Mt Druitt?

The Normandy has a top secret stealth system developed by humans which gives humanity an edge over other species. This alone is justification enough for Ashleys concerns. Everyone is competing for habital planets and resources. Ashley understands that evolution is not only about species improving but also competition and a fight against extinction. In ME2 Shepard steals resources that belong to other species on Cerberus behalf.



It's not rascim it is an acknowledgement of rivalry.

Modifié par lobi, 19 janvier 2012 - 12:52 .

[Ravensword]

lobi wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

lobi wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

This thread needs more images.
*snip

Dont spam DA related images in an me romance thread raven, someone may ask you to leave.

Have you ever walked the length of the Nullarbor Highway?

Have you ever left Mt Druitt?

Well, I assure you if you continue to get in my way, you will walk all the to Perth. It'll be like something out of the Mad Max trilogy.

[Peer of the Empire]

I somewhat like Ashley, she has a healthy perspective.  Certainly more tolerable than those other two bores

[JBo796]

Xilizhra wrote...

If you've recently been shot in the head, it might be a good idea to seek medical treatment before making a new thread.

^ Funniest thing I've read on the forums.

[mitthrawuodo]

I wonder if she'll changed for better or worse

[CptData]

mitthrawuodo wrote...

I wonder if she'll changed for better or worse

I won't be surprised if the entire "alien-issue" of Ashley is no more in ME3 tbh.
It was never a real issue - at least not on an extent some people claim it was - and it won't return.

PrimalEden wrote...

I like Ashley for her hilarious sense
of humor and her ability to feel compassion even for aliens that she
held in suspicion before. She's a complex character with flaws and
virtues that make her believable. And like a lot of believable
personalities, there are moments when she'll tick me off, but in the
end, I'd rather have her and Kaiden  around instead of Virmiring
them.

The Virmire decision was a hard one - and one I can't explain in a rational way. I picked Ash over Kaidan because of m!Shepard's emotional attachment (= LI), however, a good commanding officer might decide for Kaidan here.

Think Ashley is one of the "perfect" characters in a writer's way. She comes with flaws making her more authentic. And the -best- compliment you can make is to tell a writer "your characters are authentic".

Modifié par CptData, 21 janvier 2012 - 11:30 .

[Armass81]

Ashley is not a racist. She distrusts aliens but it is not racism.

You would too if they would appear here from out of nowhere and if they had a history of conquering people(turians). Trust has to be earned.

Modifié par Armass81, 21 janvier 2012 - 11:31 .

[Barquiel]

CptData wrote...

mitthrawuodo wrote...

I wonder if she'll changed for better or worse

I won't be surprised if the entire "alien-issue" of Ashley is no more in ME3 tbh.
It was never a real issue - at least not on an extent some people claim it was - and it won't return.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. They mentioned her xenophobia in ME2 as well ("I'm no fan of aliens").

[Ghost Warrior]

First of all,I don't think Ashley is racist. And if she was,yes,I can see a good side to it. And that is that not every character is perfect. Even in your own team,I guess it would be interesting to have jerks or people of questionable morals or simply characters with viewpoints that you don't agree with.

[kromify]

Armass81 wrote...

Ashley is not a racist. She distrusts aliens but it is not racism.

You would too if they would appear here from out of nowhere and if they had a history of conquering people(turians). Trust has to be earned.

distrusting aliens because they are aliens is *racism*. if shep invited another human on board (non-alliance) and she showed the same distrust that would nullify the "she is racist" camp. too bad we don't have the comparison.

[wannabuyanun]

I liked Ashley.
But I like the others as well.

Ashley brought a sense of realism to the game. After all if humans were to suddenly discover a plethora of aliens living out in deep space, I can be sure not everyone is going to be all happy about it.
I know there were a few others in the game who were a bit wary when it came to aliens but it was only a small comment or two here and there. Whereas Ashley was a main character with that way of thinking.

[Goldendroid]

RENEGADE INTERRUPT: I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions... <_<

[redbaron76]

Just where do you see as ashley being racist. Give me proof that she is racist, because she is not.She does not belitlle aliens, and racist do that. She does not think she is better than anybody else and racist do that. So why do you people say she is a racist when she is not.

[Spoiledrotten]

Ashley isn't racist. At least, that's not something I got from her.

She isn't politically correct, she doesn't have experience with aliens and she is a cynical about the idea of the Council always looking out for humanities best interest, but I don't think that's racism.

In fact, I think she is right about that last part. Members of their own species will always be more important to them than humanity. Which is why, according to her, humanity needs to be more independent, and again, I'm inclined to agree.

This is by no means an apology for Ash, but merely my interpretation of her words.

Even so, I like her a lot. She always felt real to me, more than any other character. She had flaws, opinions, some unlikely interests, beliefs... Her stories about her family made them sound very real to me. In those few sentences I had a feeling like I actually know those characters and understand their personalities, even though I have never actually seen them.

Hotheaded, stubborn, cynical, impetuous, tough, passionate, funny, feminine, down to earth, Ash is all of those things and more, and it works. Making her one of the best Mass Effect characters in my eyes.

[Clone 071]

Spoiledrotten wrote...

Ashley isn't racist. At least, that's not something I got from her.

She isn't politically correct, she doesn't have experience with aliens and she is a cynical about the idea of the Council always looking out for humanities best interest, but I don't think that's racism.

In fact, I think she is right about that last part. Members of their own species will always be more important to them than humanity. Which is why, according to her, humanity needs to be more independent, and again, I'm inclined to agree.

This is by no means an apology for Ash, but merely my interpretation of her words.

Even so, I like her a lot. She always felt real to me, more than any other character. She had flaws, opinions, some unlikely interests, beliefs... Her stories about her family made them sound very real to me. In those few sentences I had a feeling like I actually know those characters and understand their personalities, even though I have never actually seen them.

Hotheaded, stubborn, cynical, impetuous, tough, passionate, funny, feminine, down to earth, Ash is all of those things and more, and it works. Making her one of the best Mass Effect characters in my eyes.

Wow, well said. I definitely agree with you there.

[BlueMagitek]

kromify wrote...

distrusting aliens because they are aliens is *racism*. if shep invited another human on board (non-alliance) and she showed the same distrust that would nullify the "she is racist" camp. too bad we don't have the comparison.

Considering that the governments in Mass Effect are based on species instead of location or ideas or <reason of choice>, what other choice do you have?  The Turian Hierarchy attacked the Alliance not even 30 years ago as First Contact.  Distrusting the Turian Hierarchy means distrusting Turians in general (unless you're in the Terminus Systems, and that's another political entity of its own).

And, given that the Normandy is, or was, one of a kind, Tali (as a Quarian) shouldn't have been taken along, much less put in the engine room.  Yes, she's useful, but you can't trust her to keep the Alliance's secrets.

[Flashflame58]

Ashley is not racist.

[saMoorai]

Ash isn't racist, and if you romance her as a Paragon, you can make her Pro-alien.

[The Minority]

Not racist. Just mis-trustful. Notice how she hates Terra Firma.

[Vilio1]

I'm no fan of aliens.

That's the same as -

I'm no fan of black people.

That is not racism, really?

[Spoiledrotten]

Vilio1 wrote...

I'm no fan of aliens.

That's the same as -

I'm no fan of black people.

That is not racism, really?

Nah. That's prejudice or generalization. Personally, I always felt like you need some real venom and hate in you to be considered racist. Otherwise, you're just ignorant or prone to generalizations and judging the book by its cover.