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[naledgeborn]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I like your avatar Jeff. John Crichton was a great character, Farscape = best sci-fi show ever.

That's because Firefly was cancelled.

[MELTOR]

AndrewRogue wrote...

Except that's silly if you are at all trying to attract people who aren't already part of your base. Telling people, "No, you have to buy and play these two other games first!" is not a real good way to bring new people into it.

Dingdingdingding!!! Tell him what he's won, Johnny!

If you're trying to sell a product to someone....don't EVER tell them that they are required to buy 2 previous products to enjoy the one you are currently selling. It's very likely you won't sell whatever it is you are trying to sell. 

ME3 will be a capable standalone game, just as ME2 was. You will most certainly enjoy and understand it all more if you go back and start at the beginning, but it will be serviceable for those who are interested enough to buy it. THEN, they might be tempted to go buy and play ME1 and ME2...

Even at 20 dollars or less (if you buy them used), nobody that is new to the franchise is going to want to go out and buy ME1 and ME2 and play through them both just so they can buy ME3 and play through it as well. That's why ME3 is being stated that it's the best entry point for the series. If you can't understand this line of thought...I honestly don't know what to tell you. 

[Mike Shepard]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Dude, the last 20 minutes is the only good thing about AotC. Yoda vs Tyrannus FTW!

And thus that does indeed make it the best in the trilogy. You couldn't get 20 good minutes out of the other two.

They could have taken the final 30 minutes or so of RotS and made it into a movie and it would have been vastly superior.

oh wait they did

[Rockworm503]

naledgeborn wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I like your avatar Jeff. John Crichton was a great character, Farscape = best sci-fi show ever.

That's because Firefly was cancelled.

Firefly is the best anyway 

[Kradsk]

Personally, I hadn't really heard of Mass Effect until ME2 was about to come out. It looked really good, and since I heard that decisions from the first game carried over, plus I was interested in knowing the whole story, I went ahead and got Mass Effect so I could play it before I played ME2. I'm happy I did this, but in my opinion ME2 is a better game, hands down. I love Mass Effect, but if you actually play through more than a few of the side missions, they start to get really repetitive, the combat isn't always the most fluid, and the equipment customization is a tad too involved. I know many people who started with ME2, and loved it without playing ME first. Many went back and played ME after ME2, and some liked it, while others didn't. A great game is a great game, and although from a storytelling perspective it's great to have the background and character bonds from ME and ME2, but I would certainly recommend ME3 as a starting point for anyone that was looking for a new and great game to play.

Now on to a more serious topic...

Chris Priestly wrote...

ME1 relaunch now with 100% more gungans.

I'm looking forward to this remake Chris! I expect big things! I'm assuming gungans aren't biotic since none of them could use the force, and they weren't very good soldiers, so I guess they'll have to be tech experts....We're all doomed.

Mike Shepard wrote...

BTW. as bad as Phantom Menace was, it isn't nearly as awful as Attack of the Teen Angst...I mean Attack of the Clones. how silly of me to make that mistake....[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

Yeah, "Attack of the Clones" was about as emo as "Spider-Man 3." I saw that movie for free, and I still wanted my money back.

Modifié par Kradsk, 18 janvier 2012 - 06:51 .

[naledgeborn]

Rockworm503 wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

That's because Firefly was cancelled.

Firefly is the best anyway 

I don't know. Farscape was pretty good too. If improvisational Jazz were a tv show it'd be called Farscape.

[Jackal7713]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I like your avatar Jeff. John Crichton was a great character, Farscape = best sci-fi show ever.

That's because Firefly was cancelled.

Oh, how I love Firefly. It's probably between that and MLP:FiM for my favourite show.

Agreed Firefly was a great show, even the movie was good. However, nothing beats Dr. Who!

[Kradsk]

naledgeborn wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

That's because Firefly was cancelled.

Firefly is the best anyway 

I don't know. Farscape was pretty good too. If improvisational Jazz were a tv show it'd be called Farscape.

Farscape and Firefly were, and are, both awesome. I watched both of them all the way through when they originally aired, and I still go back to them to this day. 2 shows that went before their time.

[Aimi]

Kradsk wrote...

I'm looking forward to this remake Chris! I expect big things! I'm assuming gungans aren't biotic since none of them could use the force, and they weren't very good soldiers, so I guess they'll have to be tech experts...we're all doomed.

Gungans were totally connected to the Force, by dint of being living, not ysalamiri, and not Vong. There were even a few Gungan Jedi (albeit not in the movies, but in an RPG supplement).

[Il Divo]

Chris Priestly wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Good post, Chris. Fair enough. I think I would still tell people asking me which Star Wars movie to start with to go for A New Hope, though.

So not the first movie in the series then? I guess you prove my point.

The problem with this comparison is that A New Hope was effectively the first movie in the series, at least from a story-telling standpoint. If you ignore the "IV" in the title, the story-telling was intended to cater to the audience because at that time no one had any idea what Jedi, the Force, etc was. That's why, with confidence, I could tell someone to start with Episode IV, instead of the Phantom Menace.

This comparison doesn't work as well using Mass Effect 3. I undersand that marketing isn't always a 100% clear reflection of the final product, but consider that Bioware's huge emphasis with this series has been story-telling and choices carrying over across three games. If that's to be the selling point, ME3 cannot capitalize on this by encouraging fans to jump in without having played the first two installments. As 100k said, even those who enjoyed Episode V the best would not tell a Star Wars newb to start there. Beginning with A New Hope allows a more gradual introduction to the story. That we are already familiar with these characters in the previous film is exactly why we come to care about their sufferings in Episode V.

[Mike Shepard]

I can sum up the Star Wars movies in one sentence each starting with Phantom Menace and ending with Return of the Jedi


Phantom Menace:
"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering through this movie."

Attack of the Clones:
"Oh Anakin! Oh Padme! Oh Anakin! Oh Padme! I love you but I CAN'T love you because I have too much angst"

Revenge of the Sith:
"I HATE YOU!!!! Really? because you were my BROTHER, Anakin. but now you're just barbaque."

A New Hope:
"These are the droids you're looking for, you just don't know it yet."

Empire Strikes Back:
"I AM YOUR FATHER! HOW'S THAT FOR A MIND BLOWER??!! I was as surprised as you were!!!"

Return of the Jedi:
"You think you'll look like you do when you're 900? yeah good luck with that bro. peace out.by the way, yes Vader IS your father, sorry I didn't tell you, it was for your own good."

Modifié par Mike Shepard, 18 janvier 2012 - 07:06 .

[OmegaBlue0231]

Il Divo wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Good post, Chris. Fair enough. I think I would still tell people asking me which Star Wars movie to start with to go for A New Hope, though.

So not the first movie in the series then? I guess you prove my point.

The problem with this comparison is that A New Hope was effectively the first movie in the series, at least from a story-telling standpoint. If you ignore the "IV" in the title, the story-telling was intended to cater to the audience because at that time no one had any idea what Jedi, the Force, etc was. That's why, with confidence, I could tell someone to start with Episode IV, instead of the Phantom Menace.

This comparison doesn't work as well using Mass Effect 3. I undersand that marketing isn't always a 100% clear reflection of the final product, but consider that Bioware's huge emphasis with this series has been story-telling and choices carrying over across three games. If that's to be the selling point, ME3 cannot capitalize on this by encouraging fans to jump in without having played the first two installments. As 100k said, even those who enjoyed Episode V the best would not tell a Star Wars newb to start there. Beginning with A New Hope allows a more gradual introduction to the story. That we are already familiar with these characters in the previous film is exactly why we come to care about their sufferings in Episode V.

*applauds until the end of time*

I've been trying to figure out for 15 minutes how to say what you just said.

Modifié par OmegaBlue0231, 18 janvier 2012 - 07:09 .

[Jackal7713]

Mike Shepard wrote...

I can sum up the Star Wars movies in one sentence each starting with Phantom Menace and ending with Return of the Jedi


Phantom Menace:
"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering through this movie."

Attack of the Clones:
"Oh Anakin! Oh Padme! Oh Anakin! Oh Padme! I love you but I CAN'T love you because I have too much angst"

Revenge of the Sith:
"I HATE YOU!!!! Really? because you were my BROTHER, Anakin. but now you're just barbaque."

A New Hope:
"These are the droids you're looking for, you just don't know it yet."

Empire Strikes Back:
"I AM YOUR FATHER! HOW'S THAT FOR A MIND BLOWER??!! I was as surprised as you were!!!"

Return of the Jedi:
"You think you'll look like you do when you're 900? yeah good luck with that bro. peace out.by the way, yes Vader IS your father, sorry I didn't tell you, it was for your own good."

LMAO 

[Whereto]

It would be quite funny if they came out and told everyone that they must pick up the other two as this is the worst possible entry point.

[CovertMcAnonymous]

The Powers of Marketing decree that this is the best place to enter the game, and as such the message is that newbs should rush out to buy ME3, then ME1 and 2 later to fill in the gaps.


Do not question Le Marketing.

[CovertMcAnonymous]

I watched Return of the King before Fellowship of the Ring.




And I still cheergasmed when I saw the giant war elephants of war again. Stupid undead.

Modifié par CovertMcAnonymous, 18 janvier 2012 - 07:39 .

[JediHealerCosmin]

Mike Shepard wrote...


Attack of the Clones:
"Oh Anakin! Oh Padme! Oh Anakin! Oh Padme! I love you but I CAN'T love you because I have too much angst"

I mostly blame Hayden Christensen for that. I just don't like the way he acts.The books are far better, especially Revenge of the Sith by Matthew Stover. There is great detail about why Anakin turned dark.

[Eckswhyzed]

Please quit all this bullsh*t about "rewarding fans of the series". Quite frankly Bioware owe us nothing. As a fan of many different things (bands, other video games, tv series, movies etc.) I certainly don't expect any special catering in the way of content. I just get enjoyment from consuming their products. Anything beyond that is appreciated but is in no way deserved.

Ultimately, video game companies are businesses. I have absolutely no doubt that Bioware (and many other developers) has people who love doing what they do, and would gladly work for less, or even free because they enjoy their work so much. But I never deluded myself into thinking that they would not cater to new players.

TL;DR: Capitalism, deal with it.

[Demon Velsper]

Because your choices from the first two games don't matter, thus there's no problem jumping on with ME3 as the previous games are just backstory that don't change the game in any meaningful way.

[100k]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Please quit all this bullsh*t about "rewarding fans of the series". Quite frankly Bioware owe us nothing. As a fan of many different things (bands, other video games, tv series, movies etc.) I certainly don't expect any special catering in the way of content. I just get enjoyment from consuming their products. Anything beyond that is appreciated but is in no way deserved.

Ultimately, video game companies are businesses. I have absolutely no doubt that Bioware (and many other developers) has people who love doing what they do, and would gladly work for less, or even free because they enjoy their work so much. But I never deluded myself into thinking that they would not cater to new players.

TL;DR: Capitalism, deal with it.

I find it ironic that you talk about company policy when your post clearly shows how little you know about the subject.

I find it amusing that you end with summary of how it's basically capitalism, when you clearly don't understand the value of money in this regard.

1 game = $60 = good. 3 games =*estimated* $90 = great. That's some capitalism thinking.

[Yuqi]

Marketing are only doing their job:  The artform known as bulls*itting.

Modifié par Yuqi, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:48 .

[Candidate 88766]

The Mass Effect series isn't one story split into three like the Lord of the Rings, its three separate but connected stories.

Really, this series has been building up to the Reaper invasion. ME1 and ME2 give you all the back story on the characters/races you can help and recruit throughout the game, and the choices made will impact the endings of many missions, but you don't really need to have played them to understand what's going on in ME3.

Due to the nature of games, they are almost always standalone stories. The amount of money involved for one things means that people should have some kind of payoff at the end of a game. Then there's the fact that graphics and gameplay will improve with each instalment, and expecting people to play potentially outdated games to understand what's going on is a poor marketing move. ME1 is coming on to half a decade old now.

In essence, the Mass Effect series is a journey. The galactic war of ME3 has always been the destination of the series, and many people will just want to jump straight in the deep end and enjoy a futuristic war story. However, anyone who has played the first two understands that the journey is just as important as the destination.

[tetrisblock4x1]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

The Mass Effect series isn't one story split into three like the Lord of the Rings, its three separate but connected stories.

Really, this series has been building up to the Reaper invasion. ME1 and ME2 give you all the back story on the characters/races you can help and recruit throughout the game, and the choices made will impact the endings of many missions, but you don't really need to have played them to understand what's going on in ME3.

Due to the nature of games, they are almost always standalone stories. The amount of money involved for one things means that people should have some kind of payoff at the end of a game. Then there's the fact that graphics and gameplay will improve with each instalment, and expecting people to play potentially outdated games to understand what's going on is a poor marketing move. ME1 is coming on to half a decade old now.

In essence, the Mass Effect series is a journey. The galactic war of ME3 has always been the destination of the series, and many people will just want to jump straight in the deep end and enjoy a futuristic war story. However, anyone who has played the first two understands that the journey is just as important as the destination.

I just started playing Mass Effect today, and the loader indicates the technology to be almost a decade old now. When I launch the Mass Effect for PC loader it says copyright 2003-2008.