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[Adanu]

naledgeborn wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I like your avatar Jeff. John Crichton was a great character, Farscape = best sci-fi show ever.

That's because Firefly was cancelled.

I prefer Farscape to Firefly, but both are good.

[Nerevar-as]

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

Mike Shepard wrote...


Attack of the Clones:
"Oh Anakin! Oh Padme! Oh Anakin! Oh Padme! I love you but I CAN'T love you because I have too much angst"

I mostly blame Hayden Christensen for that. I just don't like the way he acts.The books are far better, especially Revenge of the Sith by Matthew Stover. There is great detail about why Anakin turned dark.

I must be the only person who thinks Christensen was OK. Maybe because the Spanish dubbing was horrible and VO felt much better after that, but I do.

ME books by Stover? Yes, please. I think if he got offered enough he would accept.

[Doctalen]

Adanu wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I like your avatar Jeff. John Crichton was a great character, Farscape = best sci-fi show ever.

That's because Firefly was cancelled.

I prefer Farscape to Firefly, but both are good.

Just got season 1 box set of farscape in the mail today. :happy:

[DarthCaine]

In the way they'd sell more copies

[StephanieBengal]

Nerevar-as wrote...

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

Mike Shepard wrote...


Attack of the Clones:
"Oh Anakin! Oh Padme! Oh Anakin! Oh Padme! I love you but I CAN'T love you because I have too much angst"

I mostly blame Hayden Christensen for that. I just don't like the way he acts.The books are far better, especially Revenge of the Sith by Matthew Stover. There is great detail about why Anakin turned dark.

I must be the only person who thinks Christensen was OK. Maybe because the Spanish dubbing was horrible and VO felt much better after that, but I do.

ME books by Stover? Yes, please. I think if he got offered enough he would accept.

Christensen's acting is so wooden IMO, I cut him a break on the Star Wars films because he was an up and coming actor and George Lucas's dialogue is awful no matter whom the actor is. But I've seen him in other films...he stinks LOL. But power to him getting movie roles anyway. 

[Rockworm503]

StephanieBengal wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

Mike Shepard wrote...


Attack of the Clones:
"Oh Anakin! Oh Padme! Oh Anakin! Oh Padme! I love you but I CAN'T love you because I have too much angst"

I mostly blame Hayden Christensen for that. I just don't like the way he acts.The books are far better, especially Revenge of the Sith by Matthew Stover. There is great detail about why Anakin turned dark.

I must be the only person who thinks Christensen was OK. Maybe because the Spanish dubbing was horrible and VO felt much better after that, but I do.

ME books by Stover? Yes, please. I think if he got offered enough he would accept.

Christensen's acting is so wooden IMO, I cut him a break on the Star Wars films because he was an up and coming actor and George Lucas's dialogue is awful no matter whom the actor is. But I've seen him in other films...he stinks LOL. But power to him getting movie roles anyway. 

Every time I see Hayden in anything I just go back to that Family Guy bit where their paroding Star Wars where their ghosts and he comes in and just waves to the camera "And I'm Hayden Christiansen"
Pretty much sums up his entire acting career if you ask me.

[DarthCaine]

I actually liked The Phantom Menace. The other 2 sucked 'cos of that crappy actor.

[King Minos]

double02 wrote...

Phantom Menace is awesome.

This. Then again this was my first Star Wars movie, i would watch it over and over again. 6 years old i was when i watched it in cinema's....time has gone so fast.

[xSTONEYx187x]

jreezy wrote...

habitat 67 wrote...

You can pick up Saints Row the Third without having to ever play the other two...

You really can actually. The story seemed like it was created as a new entry point anyway. Killing off fan favorites, completely demolishing the character of other fan favorites, and a new city. Yup, SR:TT is a perfect entry point for new players.

Saints Row was never a trilogy. Anyway, that game was zero story, people bought it because it was OTT. 

It would be nice if BioWare announced that they had an interactive comic of sorts for new players so that they can get accustomed to the story, instead of disregarding the previous games altogether. 

Modifié par xSTONEYx187x, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:37 .

[Pee Jae]

Well, it's not like playing GTA 4. "Oh, no! I missed the first 3! I'll have no idea what happened!"

Speaking as an owner of the PS3 version, though... I am a little miffed that I can't get certain portions or options from Part 1. Conrad Verner, etc,etc. I killed the Rachni Queen because my immediate thought was, "EWW, BIG UGLY SPACE SPIDER!"

If you're going to jump in, jump in at the beginning. My two cents.

[wright1978]

Bioware is of course going to make an effort to allow new players to enter at final part of the trilogy. Problem is if too much effort is put into this all that will happen is you will anger existing fans of the 1st 2 parts of the trilogy. Trust is the easiest thing in the world to loose, and the hardest thing in the world to get back. We'll see come March what they've done.

[JediHealerCosmin]

StephanieBengal wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

Mike Shepard wrote...


Attack of the Clones:
"Oh Anakin! Oh Padme! Oh Anakin! Oh Padme! I love you but I CAN'T love you because I have too much angst"

I mostly blame Hayden Christensen for that. I just don't like the way he acts.The books are far better, especially Revenge of the Sith by Matthew Stover. There is great detail about why Anakin turned dark.

I must be the only person who thinks Christensen was OK. Maybe because the Spanish dubbing was horrible and VO felt much better after that, but I do.

ME books by Stover? Yes, please. I think if he got offered enough he would accept.

Christensen's acting is so wooden IMO, I cut him a break on the Star Wars films because he was an up and coming actor and George Lucas's dialogue is awful no matter whom the actor is. But I've seen him in other films...he stinks LOL. But power to him getting movie roles anyway. 

"Star Wars - A New Hope" is the only novel in my collection that was written by George Lucas. It's terrible, like reading a fancier version of the movie script. Thank God he didn't write other things. 

[Nerevar-as]

He didn´t write that either...

[Nu-Nu]

Well, I started with the 2nd one, I didn't even know a thing about Mass effect or the fact saves carried over, otherwise I would have started with ME1. I played the first one, purely because I was curious about Wrex more than the reapers...and plus with the whole making sure your team stayed alive theme, I played me1 to save Wrex.

Plus, not knowing what happened in ME1, didn't ruin my enjoyment of ME2, it wasn't confusing to play at all.

[aj2070]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I think Marketing is saying it is the best entry point in the series as it is the best overall installment to the series. The graphics are better, the combat is better, the writing is as good if not better, the story installment is better, and for someone who has not played any ME game before, they understand the basics easier than before (well, certainly than ME2).

I see everyone here complaining that "it isn't the best jumping on point" yet pretty much everyone I see say this knows ME1 and 2. Don't get me wrong, if you are thinking of ME strictly as a story, they yes, it is not the best jumping on point. However, if you look at each of the games as a stand alone entity, then yes I do think ME3 is the best jumping on point as the team has refined their craft best at this point.

This doesn't mean that ME and ME2 aren't also great in what they are. Personally, if a new player came up to me and asked which should they play first, I would probably say ME3. Just like most Star Wars fans say that Empire is the best Star Wars movie. It doesn't mean you can't see teh oterh films or that they aren't worth watching, just like you can play ME, then ME2 then ME3 or ME3 then ME2 then ME or whatever.

I find that it is fans who get upset by this statement as I think they feel slighted (somehow) and that their love of the previous games isn't important so they take umbridge and get upset. People need to remember that Marketing mostly speaks to non-fans to try to make them fans. This doesn't mean that what they say isn't true, just that what they say does not always reflect what core fans already know.

Good points all Chris.  I am sure Bioware is quite proud of Mass Effect 3's technical achievements and for now, we will have to trust that you have good reason to be; its had eight years to evolve.  The problem with the "This is the best entry point" promotion is yes, it does in my opinion throw your existing fanbase out with the bathwater.  Okay, so the Star Wars franchise may be an awkward "Trilogy" to compare Mass Effect with.  I have yet to see anyone defending the Mass Effect marketing approach using a more accurate trilogy; "The Fellowship of the Ring" trilogy. No one will say the best starting point for Tolken's series is "The Return of the King". Part of the problem you have is that the Mass Effect franchise was marketed from the day Mass Effect was released for the Xbox 360 as a trilogy.  I think you should be boasting about this.  I think both "Advent Rising" and "Too Human" were supposed to be openings for trilogies and both failed.  To suddenly hear the producer basically say - paraphrasing - those first two games are not relevant, at least to me is a kick in the soft spot (your own interpretation here).

The Mass Effect franchise is not Battlefield or more appropriately from the way you are currently trying to market it, the "Call of Duty" franchise.  Sure the "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare" series has an interwoven story if you play all three but you play different people in each game and between each game.  The point and charm of Mass Effect is that you can play one person whose choices carry all the way through the story.

Here's a thought; you can promote Mass Effect 3 for it's technical achevements to the new fans without tossing out or slighting the existing fanbase. Try using the approach you have been using for multiplayer; while you don't need to play Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 in order to enjoy Mass Effect 3, you will get more out of it if you do.

Modifié par aj2070, 18 janvier 2012 - 02:26 .

[AlexXIV]

According to marketing the 'new ****' is always the best.

See it that way if they say ME1 is the best people may buy it for 10 bucks and then they don't like it because it is old or whatever and don't bother buying any other. If they start with ME3 though they may get hooked up and also buy the prequels.

[Ieldra]

I think the problem is that if new players come to the ME trilogy *now*, and start with ME1, they'd be put off by the old graphics, the dark and gloomy Normandy, the repetitive sidequest locations and a few other things, and they'll get their first impression missing some of the best the trilogy has to offer. The kind of new player who stays aboard for the mere promise that things will improve up to ME3, or even more, who is drawn in by the story in spite of the other aspects, is rare.

So if you want to get new players into the ME universe and stay, then ME3 is indeed a good start, regardless of the fact that you're playing the final volume of the trilogy. What marketing shouldn't do is act as if the earlier games didn't matter.

@Edit
Ninja'd by AlexIV, LOL. Spent too long starting at the screen typing nothing.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 janvier 2012 - 02:36 .

[Shepard the Leper]

aj2070 wrote...

No one will say the best starting point for Tolken's series is "The Return of the King". Part of the problem you have is that the Mass Effect franchise was marketed from the day Mass Effect was released for the Xbox 360 as a trilogy. 

The Lord of the Rings is NOT a trilogy - it's one story cut into 3 parts.

The point of a trilogy is to create 3 parts which are standalones (there's no need to read, watch, play, or whatever, the other ones) and together they tell a bigger story. Obviously it's recommendable to start at the beginning, but it's not needed to understand what's going on.

"A trilogy is a set of three works of art that are connected, and that can be seen either as a single work or as three individual works."

Just pointing out the difference

[tetrisblock4x1]

Statistics showed a high percentage of people didn't bother with finishing ME2 even once. It was more than 30%.

[Armass81]

If you enjoy the games for their story: it is not a great entry point. Get the 2 other games first, or at least watch their walkthroughs.

If you dont care and just want to shoot things: Sure, go ahead and start from there.

Modifié par Armass81, 18 janvier 2012 - 03:25 .

[wright1978]

Shepard the Leper wrote...

aj2070 wrote...

No one will say the best starting point for Tolken's series is "The Return of the King". Part of the problem you have is that the Mass Effect franchise was marketed from the day Mass Effect was released for the Xbox 360 as a trilogy. 

The Lord of the Rings is NOT a trilogy - it's one story cut into 3 parts.

The point of a trilogy is to create 3 parts which are standalones (there's no need to read, watch, play, or whatever, the other ones) and together they tell a bigger story. Obviously it's recommendable to start at the beginning, but it's not needed to understand what's going on.

"A trilogy is a set of three works of art that are connected, and that can be seen either as a single work or as three individual works."

Just pointing out the difference

Of course Lord of the rings is trilogy. Just because you can now buy it as a single book doesnt mean it wasn't originally 3 separate books.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

ME1 is a good starting point, and even a good finishing point.

Not even exaggerating on this one.