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[slimgrin]

txmn1016 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
I can't imagine why a trailer with Femshep matters.

Nor can I.

My male Shepard isn't in any of the trailers yet I don't make a big fuss about it.

This argument bothers me.  It matters because an entire gender is being left out of the marketing.  Not just someones personalized character.  Bioware made a big deal about marketing to its massive female audience and then fell through on it (at least thus far).  They teased us with voting for a generic femshep (finally an alternative to the fugly default femshep of ME1 and ME2) and then promised more to come and here we are, a month and a half away from the release date and they still haven't given me (a woman) a whole lot to be excited about in terms of gender differences in gameplay.  So there you go.  That's why it matters.

Marketing is not the platform I'd consider for gender polotics. Whats important is that we get to play her in the game. A trailer is not that important.

[android654]

slimgrin wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
I can't imagine why a trailer with Femshep matters.

Nor can I.

My male Shepard isn't in any of the trailers yet I don't make a big fuss about it.

This argument bothers me.  It matters because an entire gender is being left out of the marketing.  Not just someones personalized character.  Bioware made a big deal about marketing to its massive female audience and then fell through on it (at least thus far).  They teased us with voting for a generic femshep (finally an alternative to the fugly default femshep of ME1 and ME2) and then promised more to come and here we are, a month and a half away from the release date and they still haven't given me (a woman) a whole lot to be excited about in terms of gender differences in gameplay.  So there you go.  That's why it matters.

Marketing is not the platform I'd consider for gender polotics. Whats important is that we get to play her in the game. A trailer is not that important.

*Politics*

Trailers are par for the course in marketing for video games, so why not one of the main character?

[txmn1016]

slimgrin wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
I can't imagine why a trailer with Femshep matters.

Nor can I.

My male Shepard isn't in any of the trailers yet I don't make a big fuss about it.

This argument bothers me.  It matters because an entire gender is being left out of the marketing.  Not just someones personalized character.  Bioware made a big deal about marketing to its massive female audience and then fell through on it (at least thus far).  They teased us with voting for a generic femshep (finally an alternative to the fugly default femshep of ME1 and ME2) and then promised more to come and here we are, a month and a half away from the release date and they still haven't given me (a woman) a whole lot to be excited about in terms of gender differences in gameplay.  So there you go.  That's why it matters.

Marketing is not the platform I'd consider for gender polotics. Whats important is that we get to play her in the game. A trailer is not that important.

We'll have to agree to disagree there   

[Unbannable]

AlexXIV wrote...

Let's be glad then you are not marketing director ... or anything.

You don't have to be glad, since your precious Bioware has already shown a great deal of reluctance to market any of their games specifically to women.

I think people are conveniently forgetting that little fact.  You think Bioware's marketing team is stupid or something? 

If they thought women were a demographic group worth marketing to (women after all are the ones spending most of the money), they would have done it already.

[AlexXIV]

Unbannable wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Let's be glad then you are not marketing director ... or anything.

You don't have to be glad, since your precious Bioware has already shown a great deal of reluctance to market any of their games specifically to women.

I think people are conveniently forgetting that little fact.  You think Bioware's marketing team is stupid or something? 

If they thought women were a demographic group worth marketing to (women after all are the ones spending most of the money), they would have done it already.

Well I am not a woman and still want them to market femShep. So the group is not just women but also men who play femShep.

[Unbannable]

Nu-Nu wrote...

The leap between male and female interests in changing. It's like the world is slowly accepting and allowing females to like gross and violent genres like their male counterpart.

I agree that a lot of nonsensical social restrictions are being removed from both men and women, but there are still quite a few core differences between men and women when viewed through demographics.

[Stardusk78]

AlexXIV wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

I come back to this thread to see again certain people not getting it. They made a big deal out of femshep with lets pick out her hair style and color. Why the hell go through all that trouble for nothing? Also Jennifer Hale deserves some attention for the job she has done. She is an amazing VA. Women deserve to know that their are more female characters in games now and that we are being given the option to play one. Most of the women have no idea due to the old sterotype that women don't play shooters and war games. Little girls have the right to see a strong female and not just some helpless sex object in games. Femshep is a female soldier and it is a good example for little girls that she too can join the army if she so desires or be a karate teacher, a police woman, or a fireman. Showing that a woman can be strong like femshep shows girls that women's only place isn't just in the kitchen. That sterotype is wearing out it's welcome real fast and the women in the kitchen jokes are just plan old and stupid. Times are changing and a new generation of kids are playing games including little girls. The statisics will change. More and more women are getting interested in video games because they are finding out that marketing is getting smart for once and realizing women want to play as well. That is the whole key word many people don't get!! It was promised!! People should keep their promise. I still have faith they will do it.

Femshep is a fantasy character and not a reflection of reality. How many real life women can live up a man's regime or physical standards? I mean, seriously, a couple of weeks ago my work colleague asked me to install the water jug onto the water filter because she wasn't strong enough to do it herself and hoist it up there. I like playing femshep as much as the next guy but come on?!

How many people have you killed in your life or are you going to kill? How many times have you been shot? How many buildings did you fall down? How many times have you been hurled dozens of metres in the air all across a room? How many times did an alien space ship crash on you?

How comes you can accept a male having superhuman powers but not a female? See where the problem is? It's not about reality or physics or genetics. It is about you having a problem with strong women. You know there are women who can probably crush you like a fly? So why not just stop pretending and say how it is. You're scared. It's ok though. We can't all be cool.

You're a git. Watch my ME2 videos, at least half of them are femshep, obviously you have your issues to bring up nonsense like a 'strong female character'. My issue is the constant whinging around here for the trailer. If it comes, fine, if not also fine. Deal with it.

[Stardusk78]

Unbannable wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

The leap between male and female interests in changing. It's like the world is slowly accepting and allowing females to like gross and violent genres like their male counterpart.

I agree that a lot of nonsensical social restrictions are being removed from both men and women, but there are still quite a few core differences between men and women when viewed through demographics.

Don't you dare bring facts into it. Men and women are exactly the same in every respect!

[AlexXIV]

Stardusk78 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

I come back to this thread to see again certain people not getting it. They made a big deal out of femshep with lets pick out her hair style and color. Why the hell go through all that trouble for nothing? Also Jennifer Hale deserves some attention for the job she has done. She is an amazing VA. Women deserve to know that their are more female characters in games now and that we are being given the option to play one. Most of the women have no idea due to the old sterotype that women don't play shooters and war games. Little girls have the right to see a strong female and not just some helpless sex object in games. Femshep is a female soldier and it is a good example for little girls that she too can join the army if she so desires or be a karate teacher, a police woman, or a fireman. Showing that a woman can be strong like femshep shows girls that women's only place isn't just in the kitchen. That sterotype is wearing out it's welcome real fast and the women in the kitchen jokes are just plan old and stupid. Times are changing and a new generation of kids are playing games including little girls. The statisics will change. More and more women are getting interested in video games because they are finding out that marketing is getting smart for once and realizing women want to play as well. That is the whole key word many people don't get!! It was promised!! People should keep their promise. I still have faith they will do it.

Femshep is a fantasy character and not a reflection of reality. How many real life women can live up a man's regime or physical standards? I mean, seriously, a couple of weeks ago my work colleague asked me to install the water jug onto the water filter because she wasn't strong enough to do it herself and hoist it up there. I like playing femshep as much as the next guy but come on?!

How many people have you killed in your life or are you going to kill? How many times have you been shot? How many buildings did you fall down? How many times have you been hurled dozens of metres in the air all across a room? How many times did an alien space ship crash on you?

How comes you can accept a male having superhuman powers but not a female? See where the problem is? It's not about reality or physics or genetics. It is about you having a problem with strong women. You know there are women who can probably crush you like a fly? So why not just stop pretending and say how it is. You're scared. It's ok though. We can't all be cool.

You're a git. Watch my ME2 videos, at least half of them are femshep, obviously you have your issues to bring up nonsense like a 'strong female character'. My issue is the constant whinging around here for the trailer. If it comes, fine, if not also fine. Deal with it.

Then stop arguing like that. If I want something I am going to argue for it. I don't give a flying **** what other people think about it. Nobody forces you to care or read threads like this. Just ignore them. The only ones who decide which threads are ok or not are Bioware. And so far no mod closed this thread.

[Stardusk78]

AlexXIV wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

I come back to this thread to see again certain people not getting it. They made a big deal out of femshep with lets pick out her hair style and color. Why the hell go through all that trouble for nothing? Also Jennifer Hale deserves some attention for the job she has done. She is an amazing VA. Women deserve to know that their are more female characters in games now and that we are being given the option to play one. Most of the women have no idea due to the old sterotype that women don't play shooters and war games. Little girls have the right to see a strong female and not just some helpless sex object in games. Femshep is a female soldier and it is a good example for little girls that she too can join the army if she so desires or be a karate teacher, a police woman, or a fireman. Showing that a woman can be strong like femshep shows girls that women's only place isn't just in the kitchen. That sterotype is wearing out it's welcome real fast and the women in the kitchen jokes are just plan old and stupid. Times are changing and a new generation of kids are playing games including little girls. The statisics will change. More and more women are getting interested in video games because they are finding out that marketing is getting smart for once and realizing women want to play as well. That is the whole key word many people don't get!! It was promised!! People should keep their promise. I still have faith they will do it.

Femshep is a fantasy character and not a reflection of reality. How many real life women can live up a man's regime or physical standards? I mean, seriously, a couple of weeks ago my work colleague asked me to install the water jug onto the water filter because she wasn't strong enough to do it herself and hoist it up there. I like playing femshep as much as the next guy but come on?!

How many people have you killed in your life or are you going to kill? How many times have you been shot? How many buildings did you fall down? How many times have you been hurled dozens of metres in the air all across a room? How many times did an alien space ship crash on you?

How comes you can accept a male having superhuman powers but not a female? See where the problem is? It's not about reality or physics or genetics. It is about you having a problem with strong women. You know there are women who can probably crush you like a fly? So why not just stop pretending and say how it is. You're scared. It's ok though. We can't all be cool.

You're a git. Watch my ME2 videos, at least half of them are femshep, obviously you have your issues to bring up nonsense like a 'strong female character'. My issue is the constant whinging around here for the trailer. If it comes, fine, if not also fine. Deal with it.

Then stop arguing like that. If I want something I am going to argue for it. I don't give a flying **** what other people think about it. Nobody forces you to care or read threads like this. Just ignore them. The only ones who decide which threads are ok or not are Bioware. And so far no mod closed this thread.

So, why do you hate men so much?

[Unbannable]

Eshaye wrote...

Zelda is a gateway game because it can be played by ANYONE. Children or adults and enjoyed by both. It's easy to get into but it can get complex. Often people who play Zelda will go on to more robust RPG games like Oblivion, Dragon Age ect..

Zelda can be played by anyone, and thus it is a casual game.  Heck, the Nintendo Wii is a casual gaming platform for God's sake!

Go look up the definition of casual game and then we'll talk. You're not using it right.

Just because I'm not using it according to your own personal definition,doesn't mean I'm not using it right.

You've already admitted that Zelda is a gateway game that can be played by ANYONE with little or no previous gaming experience.  I mean, if children play it on a regular basis, then how would it not be considered casual?

I remember playing the original Super Mario Bros and Zelda when I was 7 years old..

Actually no let me make it clear: A casual game is something simple anyone can pick up and put down at any time and played for short periods at a time or long ones. It requires no skill or understanding of it to begin playing it but it can take many hours to master.

Sounds just like Zelda.

[AlexXIV]

Stardusk78 wrote...
So, why do you hate men so much?

Geez almost forgot you're just trolling. Whatever.

[OmegaBlue0231]

Unbannable wrote...
*snip*
I remember playing the original Super Mario Bros and Zelda when I was 7 years old..
*snip*

Zelda: OoT was the first game I beat from start to finish.

Back on topic: I really want to see it. Me and most of my friends on deviantArt play as femShep and rarely even touch maleShep, we'd love a trailer even if it was a just a short one.

Modifié par OmegaBlue0231, 21 janvier 2012 - 04:28 .

[slimgrin]

I wouldn't care about this little spat if it weren't for the fact that Bioware already stretches themselves too thin to please everyone. Their games don't need to be a love note to every race, color, gender, or sexuality out there. The fans have gotten so rabid about being represented in their games that know we're arguing over a stupid trailer. This is absurd.

Modifié par slimgrin, 21 janvier 2012 - 04:37 .

[GMagnum]

aye yeh i agree slimgrin hella gud poster dat my boi tbh

[AlexXIV]

slimgrin wrote...

I wouldn't care about this little spat if it weren't for the fact that Bioware already stretches themselves too thin to please everyone. Their games don't need to be a love note to every race, color, gender, or sexuality out there. The fans have gotten so rabid about being represented in their games that know we're arguing over a stupid trailer. This is absurd.

If there were not a femShep then there would be no thread about her. It was their choice. If they do something they should do it right. I wouldn't care about the trailer tbh if there wasn't a Sheploo in so many trailers. They first give you the option to do what you want to then keep telling you that you did it wrong. Because if you look at the marketing you could assume that ME is about Sheploo like Witcher is about Gerralt.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 21 janvier 2012 - 04:54 .

[Stardusk78]

Luc0s wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I wouldn't care about this little spat if it weren't for the fact that Bioware already stretches themselves too thin to please everyone. Their games don't need to be a love note to every race, color, gender, or sexuality out there. The fans have gotten so rabid about being represented in their games that know we're arguing over a stupid trailer. This is absurd.

You sir (or woman?) deserve a star. 

Agreed. If I were BW I would just ignore the rabid feminists who populate the network here.

[Captain Crash]

Luc0s wrote...

Than why do you reply? 

derp

Its hard not to (even when I dont want to) when your posting pure gold like these comments, they are cracking me up!   

I was hoping you got the message after your last post and how other posters reacted to how ridiculous it was. You know comments like "I want to frame that post up its so funny".    I want to have a decent discussion, but what you keep posting is anything but.  

Have you heard the term cruel to be kind?  Well im just going to say what your posting, well Its kind of embarressing you.  But you will probably twist this post into a "no you" which you been doing the past few posts.

But yeah this thread has long run its course.   Looking at the above post Bioware catering and bowing to feminists now?!   Wow

Modifié par Captain Crash, 21 janvier 2012 - 05:12 .

[Ghost Warrior]

slimgrin wrote...

I wouldn't care about this little spat if it weren't for the fact that Bioware already stretches themselves too thin to please everyone. Their games don't need to be a love note to every race, color, gender, or sexuality out there. The fans have gotten so rabid about being represented in their games that know we're arguing over a stupid trailer. This is absurd.

Very true. It's just a game,not a Constitution.

[Captain Crash]

Indeed. Were fools because were excited about a promised trailer and its something were looking forward to after waiting years for it. What foolish to you is understandable to others.

Like I said, you may not get it or understand it. However that doesnt give you the right to try and belittle people and claim that your opinion is more valid. Just because you have no interest in it and think Bioware should be spending time on something else doesnt mean your right. You said your piece long ago but you still remain here purposely causing an argument. Your just here to troll and annoy femshep fans who have been wanting this for a long time.

[brfritos]

I don't know why, but this whole topic reminded me this: