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[What a Succulent Ass]

I doubt the BLUR trailer will be FemShep. BW wouldn't invest millions with the possibility of little return.

...Assuming there will be another BLUR trailer.

[Abraham_uk]

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!!!!!

I can declare that there will be a trailer for Female Shepard! Victory at last.

When someone has completed Mass Effect 3 as female shepard and produced a fan made trailer that is.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 21 janvier 2012 - 08:46 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

syllogi wrote...

Sometimes doing the right thing hurts.  

If it hurts when you booty clap, you are DOIN' IT RONG.

[1136342t54_]

Random Jerkface wrote...

I doubt the BLUR trailer will be FemShep. BW wouldn't invest millions with the possibility of little return.

...Assuming there will be another BLUR trailer.

Didn't say they will do a BLUR trailer for Fem shep I was saying that we haven't even gotten that nor a actual CG trailer similar to the ME1 or ME2 trailers period.

[Drone223]

Edit: forget it

Modifié par Drone223, 21 janvier 2012 - 08:54 .

[Revan312]

slimgrin wrote...

And so we're all fortunate Bioware puts effort into making the game a gender equal experience rather than lip service in the form of a femshep trailer.

Ya, a trailer really isn't my concern at all, and Bioware I'd say more than any other dev at the moment makes fair attempts to equalize the gender playing field from a player choice standpoint.  It would be kinda cool to see a femshep trailer.. but meh, it's not really on my list of importantance.

I simply got off topic because I get a wild hair up my **** whenever people start trying to counter argue the "women are discriminated against" conversation. 

But again, I think Bioware are one of the only companies atm that are trying to represent women as more than just sexual objects (miranda excluded, hehe).

[1136342t54_]

Drone223 wrote...

I'm male and I don't understand why people are moaning about femshep getting ONE TRAILER, seriosuly whats worng with one trailer, its about time femshep got her spot light in the marketing, it has always been taken by Sheploo, it won't be the end of the world if Sheploo is not in one trailer, thats what femshep fans want it shows that Shepard can be created in the player's own image and its mean's more ME fans, I play both and enjoy both manshep and femshep equally, and femshep is a good break form playing a generic male soilder, the first thing I'll do when Bioware release the femshep trailer is watch it, dosen't matter if your a male gamer or a female gamer we are all gamer's and we love to play games

That is actually the worse type of complaining. I can understand why some will complain about Fem shep not getting the trailer yet. It can be stupid but understandable. Now some complaining about Fem shep getting a trailer are just whining period. The only argument they could use is resources but even then unless its BLUR trailer then not much resources would be used.

[Stardusk78]

Luc0s wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Your statistics are really off but yeah females are in the minority. Yes it is discrimination just not in the way most people would like to use it.

So the fact that most hair-products are advertised and marketed with females as the target audience, means we males are being discriminated against (because I, as a male, use hair products too)? That doesn't make any sense bro.

When women make as much as men, aren't victimized ten fold more than men from gender crimes and are as socially accepted as men to take positions of power, is when you can use a "Same Team" fallacy.. 

Your argument is weak, discrimination exists for every creed, religion, gender and race there is.  To what degree is the problem. Women constitute more than half the world's population, yet are discriminated against far more than men. Don't try to justify your stance based on circumstantial and 'exception to the rule' oriented anecdotes.

Though, I feel a videogame forum is about the least meaningful place to have a conversation on gender issues, first world problems and all. (And I know that's hypocritical of me to say) Nevertheless, female objectification and discrimination exist pretty heavvily in this industry still and I don't think you can make a case that it isn't much more prevelent for women than men. 

Riiiiiiiight.

I know that most religions discriminate against females, because religions are old-fashioned and they need to be changed (or better, get rid of them). I totally disagree with all the sexism in the "holy" books.

But aside from religion; give me 5 examples of females being "heavily" discriminated against here in the western society.

I don't think you can make a valid case that is much more prevalent for women than men.


Seriously, do you really think women are still HEAVILY discriminated against, even in this modern society? I wonder what kind of twisted view on the world you have. What are you, a feminist?

Women routinely commit violence against men without fear of punishment. Can you think of the same happening to men? No way.

[AlexXIV]

Drone223 wrote...

I'm male and I don't understand why people are moaning about femshep getting ONE TRAILER, seriosuly whats worng with one trailer, its about time femshep got her spot light in the marketing, it has always been taken by Sheploo, it won't be the end of the world if Sheploo is not in one trailer, thats what femshep fans want it shows that Shepard can be created in the player's own image and its mean's more ME fans, I play both and enjoy both manshep and femshep equally, and femshep is a good break form playing a generic male soilder, the first thing I'll do when Bioware release the femshep trailer is watch it, dosen't matter if your a male gamer or a female gamer we are all gamer's and we love to play games

Shhh this thread is about the cool, relaxed guys telling us how we are feminists. Reason and common sense are off topic.

[carine]

"Forty-two percent of all game players are women. In fact, women over the age of 18 represent a significantly greater portion of the game-playing population (37 percent) than boys age 17 or younger (13 percent)."

-- From ESA.

[Nashiktal]

carine wrote...

"Forty-two percent of all game players are women. In fact, women over the age of 18 represent a significantly greater portion of the game-playing population (37 percent) than boys age 17 or younger (13 percent)."

-- From ESA.

Which is a two year old statistic of a rising demographic.

[Nashiktal]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Your statistics are really off but yeah females are in the minority. Yes it is discrimination just not in the way most people would like to use it.

So the fact that most hair-products are advertised and marketed with females as the target audience, means we males are being discriminated against (because I, as a male, use hair products too)? That doesn't make any sense bro.

When women make as much as men, aren't victimized ten fold more than men from gender crimes and are as socially accepted as men to take positions of power, is when you can use a "Same Team" fallacy.. 

Your argument is weak, discrimination exists for every creed, religion, gender and race there is.  To what degree is the problem. Women constitute more than half the world's population, yet are discriminated against far more than men. Don't try to justify your stance based on circumstantial and 'exception to the rule' oriented anecdotes.

Though, I feel a videogame forum is about the least meaningful place to have a conversation on gender issues, first world problems and all. (And I know that's hypocritical of me to say) Nevertheless, female objectification and discrimination exist pretty heavvily in this industry still and I don't think you can make a case that it isn't much more prevelent for women than men. 

Riiiiiiiight.

I know that most religions discriminate against females, because religions are old-fashioned and they need to be changed (or better, get rid of them). I totally disagree with all the sexism in the "holy" books.

But aside from religion; give me 5 examples of females being "heavily" discriminated against here in the western society.

I don't think you can make a valid case that is much more prevalent for women than men.


Seriously, do you really think women are still HEAVILY discriminated against, even in this modern society? I wonder what kind of twisted view on the world you have. What are you, a feminist?

Women routinely commit violence against men without fear of punishment. Can you think of the same happening to men? No way.

Well actually yes, its getting there. (where women can't hide behind their gender.) New laws, reworded definitions... (Just this month men were written into the rape definition by the FBI)

All of this is part of the equality. Its not just women, its society in general trying to equalize gender bias.

[Wynne]

I was about to reply to this thread. Then I realized I was doing this:

So instead I decided to go have some alone time with that special someone, because arguing with guys who like to demonize feminists as all being radicals/insist on overestimating the differences which exist between men and women is much less fun, and that thing in the thread title? Is happening whether they like it or not.

Still looking forward to that FemShep trailer, Bio!

[OmegaBlue0231]

Luc0s wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Your statistics are really off but yeah females are in the minority. Yes it is discrimination just not in the way most people would like to use it.

So the fact that most hair-products are advertised and marketed with females as the target audience, means we males are being discriminated against (because I, as a male, use hair products too)? That doesn't make any sense bro.

When women make as much as men, aren't victimized ten fold more than men from gender crimes and are as socially accepted as men to take positions of power, is when you can use a "Same Team" fallacy.. 

Your argument is weak, discrimination exists for every creed, religion, gender and race there is.  To what degree is the problem. Women constitute more than half the world's population, yet are discriminated against far more than men. Don't try to justify your stance based on circumstantial and 'exception to the rule' oriented anecdotes.

Though, I feel a videogame forum is about the least meaningful place to have a conversation on gender issues, first world problems and all. (And I know that's hypocritical of me to say) Nevertheless, female objectification and discrimination exist pretty heavvily in this industry still and I don't think you can make a case that it isn't much more prevelent for women than men. 

Riiiiiiiight.

I know that most religions discriminate against females, because religions are old-fashioned and they need to be changed (or better, get rid of them). I totally disagree with all the sexism in the "holy" books.

But aside from religion; give me 5 examples of females being "heavily" discriminated against here in the western society.

I don't think you can make a valid case that is much more prevalent for women than men.


Seriously, do you really think women are still HEAVILY discriminated against, even in this modern society? I wonder what kind of twisted view on the world you have. What are you, a feminist?

1. Women make 25% less than men of equal skill and expereince
2. While they can be soldiers, women aren't allowed to profrom some duties.
3. Women are more likely to experience abuse at home or work (22% for women, 7% for men) because of their gender.


There's three, anyone got two?

Modifié par OmegaBlue0231, 21 janvier 2012 - 08:59 .

[AlexXIV]

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...

1. Women make 25% less than men of equal skill and expereince
2. While they can be soldiers, women aren't allowed to profrom so duties, like being a gerneral.
3. Women are more likely to experience abuse at home or work (22% for women, 7% for men) because of their gender.


There's three, anyone got two?

Women get pregnant ... ugh ... nm I am bad at this ... but I think the three you listed are enough already anyway.

[1136342t54_]

AlexXIV wrote...

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...

1. Women make 25% less than men of equal skill and expereince
2. While they can be soldiers, women aren't allowed to profrom so duties, like being a gerneral.
3. Women are more likely to experience abuse at home or work (22% for women, 7% for men) because of their gender.


There's three, anyone got two?

Women get pregnant ... ugh ... nm I am bad at this ... but I think the three you listed are enough already anyway.

Actually those three are pretty much some of the main problems (at least here in America) there are other forms of discrimination but in general it isn't as bad as it used to be. That doesn't mean it doesn't need to get better.

[Revan312]

Luc0s wrote...


Riiiiiiiight.

I know that most religions discriminate against females, because religions are old-fashioned and they need to be changed (or better, get rid of them). I totally disagree with all the sexism in the "holy" books.

But aside from religion; give me 5 examples of females being "heavily" discriminated against here in the western society.

I don't think you can make a valid case that is much more prevalent for women than men.


Seriously, do you really think women are still HEAVILY discriminated against, even in this modern society? I wonder what kind of twisted view on the world you have. What are you, a feminist?

I am a femanist (male as well), which has somehow been turned into an evil word from the religious right and neo conservatives of our media landscape. Good to see you took the bait hook line and sinker.

And how are women not heavily discriminated against.  Here's some stats..

Women working 41 to 44 hours per week earn 84.6% of what men working similar hours earn; women working more than 60 hours per week earn only 78.3% of what men in the same time category earn.

Pay inequality figures are even worse for women of color. African American women earn only 72 cents and Latinas 60 cents for every dollar that men earn  

In the Fortune 500 companies, women compose only 2.6% of corporate officers, even though they make up 61% of all employees. 

Among the 435 possible seats in the House of Representatives, women hold only 29 (6.4%) seats. 

Women have a 10 times greater likelihood of being victimized by an intimate partner than men and  estimates of non-fatal domestic violence against women range from 1 million to 4 million a year with nearly 1 in 3 women experiencing a physical assault from a partner in adulthood.

So, with those out of the way, how can you ever, with a straight face, make the assertion that women aren't still heavily discriminated against. Unless your definition of heavily is being beaten over the head an d dragged into a cave to be raped.  Even though that essentially happens as well at far higher rates than against men..

Again, videogames are a pretty ridiculous battlefield to be fighting on regarding this topic as they're a purely entertainment based form of media and there's bigger fish to fry. But it does exist, so don't even try to sweep obvious and well documented sexism statistics out of the way as if their meaningless.

Modifié par Revan312, 21 janvier 2012 - 09:06 .

[AlexXIV]

Well Luc0s and I are from Europe, just sayin'. I think in our society things are a bit better. But still discrimination is not always something you can see openly. I think the worst part of it is in the heads of people.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 21 janvier 2012 - 09:11 .

[Ananka]

AlexXIV wrote...

Well Luc0s and I are from Europe, just sayin'. I think in our society things are a bit better. But still discrimination is not always something you can see openly. I think the worst part of it is in the heads of people.

I don't think it's necessarily any better, even in Northern and Western parts of Europe. Sure, the exact numbers may vary, but the trends are still there for everything that Revan mentioned. In fact in many parts of Europe it is probably far worse.


Still, there is no need for the femshep trailer to turn into a full-blown feministic issue. It is just a video game. I think it would be a good move for BW to market to the demographic that would play femshep, too, and there are a lot of femshep fans that would very much appreciate the trailer.

Modifié par Annaka, 21 janvier 2012 - 09:16 .

[1136342t54_]

Annaka wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well Luc0s and I are from Europe, just sayin'. I think in our society things are a bit better. But still discrimination is not always something you can see openly. I think the worst part of it is in the heads of people.

I don't think it's necessarily any better, even in Northern and Western parts of Europe. Sure, the exact numbers may vary, but the trends are still there for everything that Revan mentioned. In fact in many parts of Europe it is probably far worse.

It really depends on where in Europe. Lucos and Alex could be in some country and Western Europe where the trend is similar to America but not as common.