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[1136342t54_]

Oddlyotter wrote...

Enough. This is not a thread about the equality of men and women. This is a thread about "hey femshep trailer?" That's it.

Any thread with Fem Shep in the title is going to eventually go into a discussion like this.  Sometimes its actually related sometimes it isn't.

[Zkyire]

Oddlyotter wrote...

Good for you Luc0s. Thanks for admitting you're intentionally derailing a thread. You're discussing something that should not be in this thread. If you want to bicker about something like that take it else where. Thank you.

Well you're either going to have to let it slide and wait it out and hope it dies down or call a mod.

Because as long as both sides of this argument continue to throw remarks at one another, there will be people who will chime in to balance it out.

But anyway, I'll respect your wishes, I wont post to derail the thread further at any rate.

[JamieCOTC]

Zkyire wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

What inequality of women? Women in Western society have more rights and privileges than men do.

Like?

Now this I am curious about.

To begin with, violence. Women can commit violence against men, particularly in domestic situations, without any fear of penalty, how often do women still slap men in the face? we see it in films all the time, can a man do that? No, no. (Violence is never good, I am just calling out the double standard). Children's visitation rights and division of assets in divorce, in most Anglosaxon countries women get the lion's share of everything, including the children, whilst the men ends up paying for it for nearly the rest of his life. A British friend of mine, his wife cheated on him, then filed for divorce and she still got most of everything. Never mind the long time motto, women and children first, women's lives are inherently more valuable to society (as the the limiting factor in reproduction it makes sense) whereas men's lives do not carry that value. Far more research is poured into breast cancer research than prostate cancer, though prostate cancer tends to be far more virulent.

    Additional: Domestic Violence.

Domestic violence is a prevalent occurrence throughout the UK (and elsewhere but I'm using the UK as an example here). The 'Call to End Violence Against Women and Girls' (*1) initiative is only a recent development (The clue is in the name over who it does not help - read: men). The evidence provided showed that that 60% of all domestic violence victims are female, and that one in four women will “experience domestic violence over their lifetimes” (*2).

However, through this it shows that males represent 40% of domestic violence victims (*3). The problem? The massive disparity between the help available to both sexes is astonishing. Women receive 7500 'places of refuge' throughout England and Wales, to shelter them in times of abuse, while men only have 60 available to them (*4).

*1 - Home Office, 2011
*2 - Council of Europe, 2002, quoted in Women's Aid
*3 - PARITY, 2010
*4 - Campbell, 2010

Woman beating up men, huh?  There goes that "men are stronger, tougher" arguement.

(tasteless joke, I know. My apologies.)

Seriously, if you want to discuss the inequality of genders, there are other specific forums for that.  Otherwise this thread is headed for lockdown town.  Hmmm ... maybe that's it!  It's a conspiracy of all the radical anti-feminists to lock down this thread. 



Anway, the femshep trailer is scheduled to be up somewhere at sometime pre-launch. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 21 janvier 2012 - 10:27 .

[Stardusk78]

android654 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

What inequality of women? Women in Western society have more rights and privileges than men do.

Like?

Now this I am curious about.

To begin with, violence. Women can commit violence against men, particularly in domestic situations, without any fear of penalty, how often do women still slap men in the face? we see it in films all the time, can a man do that? No, no. (Violence is never good, I am just calling out the double standard). Children's visitation rights and division of assets in divorce, in most Anglosaxon countries women get the lion's share of everything, including the children, whilst the men ends up paying for it for nearly the rest of his life. A British friend of mine, his wife cheated on him, then filed for divorce and she still got most of everything. Never mind the long time motto, women and children first, women's lives are inherently more valuable to society (as the the limiting factor in reproduction it makes sense) whereas men's lives do not carry that value. Far more research is poured into breast cancer research than prostate cancer, though prostate cancer tends to be far more virulent.

You sound very bitter at the fact that you were born with a Y chromosome. You can get a surgery to correct that, well a series of surgeries.

No sound argument as usual, huh feminist? Thought so, the fact that you can only 'argue' with ad hominems says a lot.

[Bekkael]

jreezy wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...


What inequality of women? Women in Western society have more rights and privileges than men do.

I don't know about "more rights" but there is an obvious double standard in favor of women.

Oh rly?

I've seen it. I'll just leave it at that. You're too cool to argue with.

I'm wasn't going to argue with you, sweety. <3 Life isn't fair, regardless of your gender. I propose we all hold hands and chant for the femshep trailer, in a show of solidarity. :P

[Ravensword]

Bekkael wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...


What inequality of women? Women in Western society have more rights and privileges than men do.

I don't know about "more rights" but there is an obvious double standard in favor of women.

Oh rly?

I've seen it. I'll just leave it at that. You're too cool to argue with.

I'm wasn't going to argue with you, sweety. <3 Life isn't fair, regardless of your gender. I propose we all hold hands and chant for the femshep trailer, in a show of solidarity. :P

aye we shud all do dat n den we can smoke sum bluntz together tbh

[Revan312]

Zkyire wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

To begin with, violence. Women can commit violence against men, particularly in domestic situations, without any fear of penalty, how often do women still slap men in the face? we see it in films all the time, can a man do that? No, no. (Violence is never good, I am just calling out the double standard). Children's visitation rights and division of assets in divorce, in most Anglosaxon countries women get the lion's share of everything, including the children, whilst the men ends up paying for it for nearly the rest of his life. A British friend of mine, his wife cheated on him, then filed for divorce and she still got most of everything. Never mind the long time motto, women and children first, women's lives are inherently more valuable to society (as the the limiting factor in reproduction it makes sense) whereas men's lives do not carry that value. Far more research is poured into breast cancer research than prostate cancer, though prostate cancer tends to be far more virulent.

    Additional: Domestic Violence.

Domestic violence is a prevalent occurrence throughout the UK (and elsewhere but I'm using the UK as an example here). The 'Call to End Violence Against Women and Girls' (*1) initiative is only a recent development (The clue is in the name over who it does not help - read: men). The evidence provided showed that that 60% of all domestic violence victims are female, and that one in four women will “experience domestic violence over their lifetimes” (*2).

However, through this it shows that males represent 40% of domestic violence victims (*3). The problem? The massive disparity between the help available to both sexes is astonishing. Women receive 7500 'places of refuge' throughout England and Wales, to shelter them in times of abuse, while men only have 60 available to them (*4).

*1 - Home Office, 2011
*2 - Council of Europe, 2002, quoted in Women's Aid
*3 - PARITY, 2010
*4 - Campbell, 2010

From Michael Kimmel's review of 
Martin S. Fiebert's annotated bibliography about female violence against men.

More than 90% of "systematic, persistent, and injurious" violence is perpetrated by men. He points out that most of the empirical studies that Fiebert reviewed used the same empirical measure of family conflict, i.e., the Conflict Tactics Scale (CTS) as the sole measure of domestic violence and that many of the studies noted by Fiebert discussed samples composed entirely of single people younger than 30, not married couples.[134] Kimmel argues that among various other flaws, the CTS is particularly vulnerable to reporting bias because it depends on asking people to accurately remember and report what happened during the past year. However, men tend to under-estimate their use of violence, while women tend to over-estimate their use of violence. Simultaneously men tend to over-estimate their partner's use of violence while women tend to under-estimate their partner's use of violence. Thus, men will likely over-estimate their victimization, while women tend to underestimate theirs.[135] 

More stats

Women are more likely than men to be murdered by an intimate partner. Of those killed by an intimate partner about three quarters are female and about a quarter are male. In 1999 in the United States 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner,[114] and 1181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners in 2005.[115][116]  

Finally

The UN Declaration on the Elimination of Violence against Women (1993) states that “violence against women is a manifestation of historically unequal power relations between men and women, which has led to domination over and discrimination against women by men and to the prevention of the full advancement of women, and that violence against women is one of the crucial social mechanisms by which women are forced into a subordinate position compared with men.
[119][120] 

[Stardusk78]

jreezy wrote...

android654 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

What inequality of women? Women in Western society have more rights and privileges than men do.

Like?

Now this I am curious about.

To begin with, violence. Women can commit violence against men, particularly in domestic situations, without any fear of penalty, how often do women still slap men in the face? we see it in films all the time, can a man do that? No, no. (Violence is never good, I am just calling out the double standard). Children's visitation rights and division of assets in divorce, in most Anglosaxon countries women get the lion's share of everything, including the children, whilst the men ends up paying for it for nearly the rest of his life. A British friend of mine, his wife cheated on him, then filed for divorce and she still got most of everything. Never mind the long time motto, women and children first, women's lives are inherently more valuable to society (as the the limiting factor in reproduction it makes sense) whereas men's lives do not carry that value. Far more research is poured into breast cancer research than prostate cancer, though prostate cancer tends to be far more virulent.

You sound very bitter at the fact that you were born with a Y chromosome. You can get a surgery to correct that, well a series of surgeries.

Hella rude tbh.

This is the only way feminists know how to argue, straw men, ad hominems and other general appeals to emotion but never let real facts and science get in the way. If they did their own 'arguments' would fall apart before their eyes.

[android654]

Stardusk78 wrote...

android654 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

What inequality of women? Women in Western society have more rights and privileges than men do.

Like?

Now this I am curious about.

To begin with, violence. Women can commit violence against men, particularly in domestic situations, without any fear of penalty, how often do women still slap men in the face? we see it in films all the time, can a man do that? No, no. (Violence is never good, I am just calling out the double standard). Children's visitation rights and division of assets in divorce, in most Anglosaxon countries women get the lion's share of everything, including the children, whilst the men ends up paying for it for nearly the rest of his life. A British friend of mine, his wife cheated on him, then filed for divorce and she still got most of everything. Never mind the long time motto, women and children first, women's lives are inherently more valuable to society (as the the limiting factor in reproduction it makes sense) whereas men's lives do not carry that value. Far more research is poured into breast cancer research than prostate cancer, though prostate cancer tends to be far more virulent.

You sound very bitter at the fact that you were born with a Y chromosome. You can get a surgery to correct that, well a series of surgeries.

No sound argument as usual, huh feminist? Thought so, the fact that you can only 'argue' with ad hominems says a lot.

The fact that you continue to agree that men are disadvantaged while continuing to profess their superiority clearly shows that you're not arguing from a neutral position. Iits sad, that you take to the internet in order to debate sexual inequality toward the "superior" sex. This is truly the nadir of any person who truly thinks they're right about anything.

[silver_sparrow]

Y'all got played.

[Vez04]

don-mika wrote...

soon wiil be
mass effect 3 cinematic teaser
mass effect 3 cinematic trailer
mass effect 3 cinematic full trailer

if they'll actually ever release one, i doubt it won't happend before post-mortem demo weeks.

[Stardusk78]

Revan312 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

To begin with, violence. Women can commit violence against men, particularly in domestic situations, without any fear of penalty, how often do women still slap men in the face? we see it in films all the time, can a man do that? No, no. (Violence is never good, I am just calling out the double standard). Children's visitation rights and division of assets in divorce, in most Anglosaxon countries women get the lion's share of everything, including the children, whilst the men ends up paying for it for nearly the rest of his life. A British friend of mine, his wife cheated on him, then filed for divorce and she still got most of everything. Never mind the long time motto, women and children first, women's lives are inherently more valuable to society (as the the limiting factor in reproduction it makes sense) whereas men's lives do not carry that value. Far more research is poured into breast cancer research than prostate cancer, though prostate cancer tends to be far more virulent.

    Additional: Domestic Violence.

Domestic violence is a prevalent occurrence throughout the UK (and elsewhere but I'm using the UK as an example here). The 'Call to End Violence Against Women and Girls' (*1) initiative is only a recent development (The clue is in the name over who it does not help - read: men). The evidence provided showed that that 60% of all domestic violence victims are female, and that one in four women will “experience domestic violence over their lifetimes” (*2).

However, through this it shows that males represent 40% of domestic violence victims (*3). The problem? The massive disparity between the help available to both sexes is astonishing. Women receive 7500 'places of refuge' throughout England and Wales, to shelter them in times of abuse, while men only have 60 available to them (*4).

*1 - Home Office, 2011
*2 - Council of Europe, 2002, quoted in Women's Aid
*3 - PARITY, 2010
*4 - Campbell, 2010

From Michael Kimmel's review of 
Martin S. Fiebert's annotated bibliography about female violence against men.

More than 90% of "systematic, persistent, and injurious" violence is perpetrated by men. He points out that most of the empirical studies that Fiebert reviewed used the same empirical measure of family conflict, i.e., the Conflict Tactics Scale (CTS) as the sole measure of domestic violence and that many of the studies noted by Fiebert discussed samples composed entirely of single people younger than 30, not married couples.[134] Kimmel argues that among various other flaws, the CTS is particularly vulnerable to reporting bias because it depends on asking people to accurately remember and report what happened during the past year. However, men tend to under-estimate their use of violence, while women tend to over-estimate their use of violence. Simultaneously men tend to over-estimate their partner's use of violence while women tend to under-estimate their partner's use of violence. Thus, men will likely over-estimate their victimization, while women tend to underestimate theirs.[135] 

More stats

Women are more likely than men to be murdered by an intimate partner. Of those killed by an intimate partner about three quarters are female and about a quarter are male. In 1999 in the United States 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner,[114] and 1181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners in 2005.[115][116]  

Finally

The UN Declaration on the Elimination of Violence against Women (1993) states that “violence against women is a manifestation of historically unequal power relations between men and women, which has led to domination over and discrimination against women by men and to the prevention of the full advancement of women, and that violence against women is one of the crucial social mechanisms by which women are forced into a subordinate position compared with men.
[119][120] 

I see you are one of the feminists who believe all men are rapists and murderers types. That UN declaration isn't referring to privileged Western females. And historically unequal power, boy that gets tiresome. Who was sent off to die in wars and who was alloved to stay back and live? and regarding equal power? these great privileged males were a tiny fraction of the males back then, because most males worked their fingers to the bones on farms, in mines, factories and other unpleasant places to provide for themselves and their families. Mine workers weren't privileged unless you consider breathing in glass shards a privilege and 'power'. Were women breathing in those shards? nope, hey and guess what, women are still not working in mines. I guess it is their choice.

[SovereignWillReturn]

There's never been a FemShep trailer before for two games, why the butthurt over this? it's nothing new...

[Bekkael]

jreezy wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

I'm wasn't going to argue with you, sweety. <3 Life isn't fair, regardless of your gender. I propose we all hold hands and chant for the femshep trailer, in a show of solidarity. :P

Indeed. All together now: "WE WANT FEMSHEP TRAILER!!!"

Perfect! I think some of the others in this thread had better attend to their blood pressure.

[Shinobu]

Well, if we are impatient for a FemShep trailer, why don't we either make some or post our favorite FemShep vids?

Mass Effect 2 Launch trailer [Female version] by spigyboy


WE ARE THE 18%!

OCCUPY THIS THREAD.

Modifié par Shinobu, 21 janvier 2012 - 10:43 .

[Stardusk78]

Revan312 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

To begin with, violence. Women can commit violence against men, particularly in domestic situations, without any fear of penalty, how often do women still slap men in the face? we see it in films all the time, can a man do that? No, no. (Violence is never good, I am just calling out the double standard). Children's visitation rights and division of assets in divorce, in most Anglosaxon countries women get the lion's share of everything, including the children, whilst the men ends up paying for it for nearly the rest of his life. A British friend of mine, his wife cheated on him, then filed for divorce and she still got most of everything. Never mind the long time motto, women and children first, women's lives are inherently more valuable to society (as the the limiting factor in reproduction it makes sense) whereas men's lives do not carry that value. Far more research is poured into breast cancer research than prostate cancer, though prostate cancer tends to be far more virulent.

    Additional: Domestic Violence.

Domestic violence is a prevalent occurrence throughout the UK (and elsewhere but I'm using the UK as an example here). The 'Call to End Violence Against Women and Girls' (*1) initiative is only a recent development (The clue is in the name over who it does not help - read: men). The evidence provided showed that that 60% of all domestic violence victims are female, and that one in four women will “experience domestic violence over their lifetimes” (*2).

However, through this it shows that males represent 40% of domestic violence victims (*3). The problem? The massive disparity between the help available to both sexes is astonishing. Women receive 7500 'places of refuge' throughout England and Wales, to shelter them in times of abuse, while men only have 60 available to them (*4).

*1 - Home Office, 2011
*2 - Council of Europe, 2002, quoted in Women's Aid
*3 - PARITY, 2010
*4 - Campbell, 2010

From Michael Kimmel's review of 
Martin S. Fiebert's annotated bibliography about female violence against men.

More than 90% of "systematic, persistent, and injurious" violence is perpetrated by men. He points out that most of the empirical studies that Fiebert reviewed used the same empirical measure of family conflict, i.e., the Conflict Tactics Scale (CTS) as the sole measure of domestic violence and that many of the studies noted by Fiebert discussed samples composed entirely of single people younger than 30, not married couples.[134] Kimmel argues that among various other flaws, the CTS is particularly vulnerable to reporting bias because it depends on asking people to accurately remember and report what happened during the past year. However, men tend to under-estimate their use of violence, while women tend to over-estimate their use of violence. Simultaneously men tend to over-estimate their partner's use of violence while women tend to under-estimate their partner's use of violence. Thus, men will likely over-estimate their victimization, while women tend to underestimate theirs.[135] 

More stats

Women are more likely than men to be murdered by an intimate partner. Of those killed by an intimate partner about three quarters are female and about a quarter are male. In 1999 in the United States 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner,[114] and 1181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners in 2005.[115][116]  

Finally

The UN Declaration on the Elimination of Violence against Women (1993) states that “violence against women is a manifestation of historically unequal power relations between men and women, which has led to domination over and discrimination against women by men and to the prevention of the full advancement of women, and that violence against women is one of the crucial social mechanisms by which women are forced into a subordinate position compared with men.
[119][120] 

Also, why is there so much woman on woman violence in lesbian relationships?

Lesbian Partner Violence Fact Sheet



Suzana
Rose, Ph.D.

National
Violence Against Women Prevention Research Center


University
of Missouri at St. Louis



What is lesbian partner violence?

Partner violence in lesbian (and gay) relationships recently has been
identified as an important social problem. Partner or domestic violence
among lesbians has been defined as including physical, sexual and psychological
abuse, although researchers have most often studied physical violence.




How common is lesbian partner violence?

About 17-45% of lesbians report having been the victim of a least one
act of physical violence perpetrated by a lesbian partner (1,5,6,13).
Types of physical abuse named by more than 10% of participants in one
study included:


Disrupting
other’s eating or sleeping habits
Pushing
or shoving, driving recklessly to punish, and slapping, kicking, hitting,
or biting (11).

Sexual
abuse by a woman partner has been reported by up to 50% of lesbians (12).


Psychological
abuse has been reported as occurring at least one time by 24% to 90% of
lesbians (1,5,6,11,14). The research usually has been done with mostly white, middle-class lesbians
who are sufficiently open about their sexual orientation to have met researchers
seeking participants in the lesbian community. Subsequently, these findings
may not apply to women who are less open, less educated, or of other ethnic
backgrounds.



Why would a lesbian batter another woman?

Lesbians who abuse another women may do so for reasons similar to those
that motivate heterosexual male batterers. Lesbians abuse their partners
to gain and maintain control (9). Lesbian batterers are motivated to avoid
feelings of loss and abandonment. Therefore, many violent incidents occur
during threatened separations. Many lesbian batterers grew up in violent
households and were physically, sexually, or verbally abused and/or witnessed
their mothers being abused by fathers or stepfathers (6,7,14).



How is lesbian partner violence different from heterosexual partner
violence?

There are several similarities between lesbian and heterosexual partner
violence. Violence appears to be about as common among lesbian couples as
among heterosexual couples (1,5). In addition, the cycle of violence occurs
in both types of relationships. However, there also are several differences.




In lesbian relationships, the "butch" (physically stronger, more masculine
or wage-earning) member of the couple may be as likely to be the victim
as the batterer, whereas in heterosexual relationships, the male partner
(usually the stronger, more masculine, and wage-earning member) is most
often the batterer (4). Some lesbians in abusive relationships report fighting
back in their relationship (6,8).



In addition, a unique element for lesbians is the homophobic environment
that surrounds them (4,10,14). This enables the abusive partner to exert
"heterosexist control" over the victim by threatening to "out" the victim
to friends, family, or employer or threatening to make reports to authorities
that would jeopardize child custody, immigration, or legal status. The homophobic
environment also makes it difficult for the victim to seek help from the
police, victim service agencies, and battered women's shelters.

[Oddlyotter]

I personally like this femshep video because it shows the many faces of custom created femsheps. We didn't need a default shep, we ARE the default shepards. Bioware should have made something like that instead.

[Stardusk78]

Seriously, someone lock this thread. If there is a trailer, ok, if not, ok. The game is coming out soon so that is good enough.