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[Centauri2002]

mousestalker wrote...

Every MMORPG I have ever played generates these 'Doooom' threads. Immediately upon release, the WoW forums filled up with threads saying how each OP intended to cancel their subscription. The original EQ forums were extraordinarily toxic for a long time. City of Heroes totally sucked upon release. The list of 'doomed' projects goes on and on.

For whatever reason, the general areas of MMORPG forums fill up with these gaming Jeremiahs, who post endless rants to each other about the upcoming gaming apocalypse. Sometimes the self appointed prophets are even right. [Insert reference to blind squirrels and nuts here]

Maybe the game is doomed. Maybe it's a great success. It's a safe bet that you won't learn the truth of the matter from the gamers forums. There are reliable information sites and they will start posting actual facts shortly.

This. 

I've seen it so many times as well. Especially during the early months of a release. What counts here is how BioWare react to it. Some companies scramble to appease their players and make a real mess of things.I'm hoping they don't do that.

SWTOR is not a bad game. Not even close. I think quite a number of people had expectations for it which may not have been met but I can't say I've ever been disappointed by it. I thoroughly enjoyed the class story I've played through to completion and I'll definitely be playing through all of them. The classes are all fun to play and the different systems like light side/dark side, social rank, valour rank, etc all make things a little more interesting. It doesn't stray too far from the usual MMO formula but it does make your character feel important within the universe and that's what I've always wanted in an MMO. So, for me, this game is a success. The only thing I'm waiting on now is SGRAs... for which I may be waiting quite some time... >.>

End game seems to be usual for a new MMO - somewhat lacking. There are some dungeons and a few operations (raids) but people are going to get through those quite quickly. The PvP has always been fun but the new patch has made things more difficult. We'll see if that evens out. BioWare are going to have a tough job on their hands trying to keep the end game players happy whilst trying not to lose sight of what made this game good in the first place. I just hope it doesn't turn out like RIFT, where Trion tried to appease their players by making content easier and easier to overcome and items easier to gain.

[Aslanasadi]

I don't care what others say. I play it right now and I have a lot fun!!!!

[CrazyRah]

As it's been mentioned before. All MMO's generate a certain amount of Doom threads so that's nothing new. SWTOR is a really good game i can't say anything but that. It's suprisingly well balanced at the moment. Of course the Story makes the game so much more enjoyable in the lvling and questing aspect than other MMO's i've played. It sure got its weaknesses and they're not few.

The End game is so severly lacking that no doubt a lot of players will be bored fast (I'm one of them). Still it's important to mention that SWTOR got more End game content than most MMO's at relase. Bioware has really thought it through to make the game as strong as possible. The light/dark side endings together with so many choices in the story will keep a considerable amount of players busy for a while and that's very impressive. Gear is easy to come by if the player put some effort into it and as long as Bioware don't make it easier it will be great.

All in all i can say that for me SWTOR was a fantastic game and that Bioware did suprise me. Now it's only up to them to keep the ship floating and not sink it like so many other developers have done

[lobi]

um,.....thanks for the video?

[Melra]

Nothing legimate here, been playing since day two of early access and still got 7 more class storylines to explore and stuff to do. Dem Kotor fanbois be silly and butthurt over MMO.

[jwalker]

TheChris92 wrote...

I'm playing the game. I've only had it, and played it, for less than a few weeks. It's only been out in a short amount of time, too short to truly say that it is "doomed in my opinion. Right now I'm enjoying it, and I think the stories are very exciting and interesting. It's fun to play it with a couple of friends, whom is playing it too. One can of course still be critical towards it, or disappointed that it isn't the Kotor 3 they were asking for, that's all well and fine. Right now, I think it is fair to give it the benefit of the doubt. Every MMO will eventually have an expiration date but right now I think it is best to be patient. I'll definitely be playing it for a little bit yet.

Same here.

So far it's been really nice experience. I haven't played any MMO before, but I'm certainly enjoying this one
It's a fun game to play solo, much better if you team up with a friend.
Even it's been fun the occasional group of strangers to take on "heroic" missions. But you're not required to do that since those are totally optional.

I'm mainly focusing in one story, but I've started others. The game has a lot of content, a lot. Of course, eventually I'll get burnt out on it, but it won't happen just yet.
So far, I'm definetely getting my money's worth

[Elhanan]

heh! I have been waiting for this since my holiday delay; starting worlds to become less crowded, first upgrade patch complete, and more time to be spent in a game with a different WASD movement than I am used to for play. The largest flaw in my plans has come from Skyrim, as I am still having a blast with it.

But I disgree in that the worlds are not detailed. Example: the world of Coruscant was so metropolitan in detail that it affected my RL agoraphobic-esque nature, and chased me to play in the hot desert sands of the Sith instead. Now while I do not personally like metropolitan areas, I also love the desert, and seeing both of them is what sold me in the first place.

As for story, the Trooper origin tale was immersive enough that I decided to choose it for my alt over a Force using Jedi. The scenes of battle and war were well made and appeared enough like war-zones to aid me in such a choice.

Now while I am not a fan of subscriptions, I am also not wanting Free to Play designs; too many disasters on file to count. But there is another business model out there once my primary 3 months is final that would allow me to return, so it is my hope that this is chosen once the hyper-drive is turned off, and I may enjoy the game at my leisure.

Modifié par Elhanan, 19 janvier 2012 - 02:03 .

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Melrache wrote...

Nothing legimate here, been playing since day two of early access and still got 7 more class storylines to explore and stuff to do. Dem Kotor fanbois be silly and butthurt over MMO.

Doesn't excuse it for being so generic and bland(both visually and gameplay-wise)

Also those that are saying that F2P model doesn't work obviously haven't played Guild Wars, more games should follow that example IMO.

[Melra]

I have played Guild Wars and it was the most boring MMO, I've played to date.

I am enjoying my SWTOR time quite a bit, the visuals are fine. The gameplay is fine, only problems I have are the bugs, but every MMO has them.

[Chromie]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Nothing legimate here, been playing since day two of early access and still got 7 more class storylines to explore and stuff to do. Dem Kotor fanbois be silly and butthurt over MMO.

Doesn't excuse it for being so generic and bland(both visually and gameplay-wise)

Also those that are saying that F2P model doesn't work obviously haven't played Guild Wars, more games should follow that example IMO.

Guild Wars isn't Free to play. 

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...
And why not, what's the difference iof it P2P or F2P?
It doesn't mean there's any less quality in the games. Especially if the game in question usees in-game stores to make a profit.

The way F2P games are now is just buy to win. Companies deliberately cut off content, classes and more and you have to buy it if you want to experience more content or something new. I get that its F2P so I don't care really but look at games like Lord of the Rings Online now Turbine is actually selling armor so people will just buy the best gear and that I don't care for. If a game like Lineage 2 goes F2P that's different because Lineage II won't be cutting off any content, classes or quests which is much better. 

 

Guild Wars is buy to play, you just buy the game and expansions and thats it I assume Guild Wars 2 is doing the same. I didn't care for Guild Wars because it was the poor mans WoW at the time but B2P is great and its a shame only these guys consider this payment method. 

Modifié par Ringo12, 19 janvier 2012 - 02:47 .

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Melrache wrote...
I am enjoying my SWTOR time quite a bit, the visuals are fine.

It's like they re-used the same engine from KOTOR2, old graphics are old. Just another aspect of the game that shows a lack of effort that was put into this game.
Also I just rmembered this gif:lol:

[Chromie]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

Melrache wrote...
I am enjoying my SWTOR time quite a bit, the visuals are fine.

It's like they re-used the same engine from KOTOR2, old graphics are old. Just another aspect of the game that shows a lack of effort that was put into this game.
Also I just rmembered this gif:lol:

Say what you will Old Republic has some way better animations then I first thought but Bioware once again proves they are terrible at handling the more important parts of an MMO. The Hero Engine wasn't finished when they decided to use it and the engine apparently can't handle more than a few people at a time before causing problems. Bioware said no highres textures are "working as intended" because of performance issues for players yet you see a beautiful game like Guild Wars 2 look amazing and hundreds of players running around fighting a dragon during an event. 

There is also an incredible amount of loading for Old Republic where other MMO's pride themselves on being seamless. WoW helped make this idea popular, that removing loading screens will help immerse the players and I love that but then I enter TOR and I have to load into the game, load into my ship, load on to the planet and go through a space station etc. It doesn't feel like a 2011/2012 game it feels like a 2000 game.

Modifié par Ringo12, 19 janvier 2012 - 02:52 .

[Seagloom]

What I like about free to play is lets me determine how much I want to invest into my experience. Ideally, the best free to play games make all items available to everyone. If you can buy an item to avoid legwork, that is fine by me. As long as someone who wants said item can locate it for free in the game world, if they so choose.

It is a time management versus monetary cost issue. If I am willing to put up cash to save time, I may do it. Why? Because I want to do more with my day than grind for hours in hopes a special item drops. I still pay for it in the end; just in another way. Having this option also makes it easier to keep up with guildmates that do have free time to invest. It is very annoying when your regular group outlevels you because of your lack of time. You end up a burden, or worse, having no one to team up with outside dodgy PUGs. When F2P becomes problematic is when the best gear and abilities can only be attained by buying them.

Areas and classes should not be cut off, but I do not mind the latter much. I go into a game with a general idea of what classes do and do not appeal to me. Only having to spend money to unlock a class or two I am relatively confident I will enjoy is a bargain over paying full price for access to everything.

Finally, there is the issue of feeling like what I get out of a monthly fee is worth the price. Some months I may play the hell out of a game. Other months I may only be able to devote a few hours to it, if that. When those months roll around I'm throwing most of the subscription fee into a black hole. It's a waste.

The problem with F2P is it's been abused too often to nickel and dime players. That hurts its reputation. I think the model not only works, but might be preferable when done properly. The closest to that so far is probably Turbine's DDO. You can pay for points to unlock content, but you can also earn those points without dropping a cent. It just takes a lot longer.

Modifié par Seagloom, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:15 .

[Chromie]

Bioware suddenly removes the cancel subscription option the day before the trial runs out.

http://massively.joy...ssing-for-some/

Modifié par Ringo12, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:08 .

[Elhanan]

Ringo12 wrote...

Say what you will Old Republic has some way better animations then I first thought but Bioware once again proves they are terrible at handling the more important parts of an MMO. The Hero Engine wasn't finished when they decided to use it and the engine apparently can't handle more than a few people at a time before causing problems. Bioware said no highres textures are "working as intended" because of performance issues for players yet you see a beautiful game like Guild Wars 2 look amazing and hundreds of players running around fighting a dragon during an event. 

There is also an incredible amount of loading for Old Republic where other MMO's pride themselves on being seamless. WoW helped make this idea popular, that removing loading screens will help immerse the players and I love that but then I enter TOR and I have to load into the game, load into my ship, load on to the planet and go through a space station etc. It doesn't feel like a 2011/2012 game it feels like a 2000 game.

While I am Techless, the anti-aliasing feature was enabled in the latest patch, so this may help some with graphics. Plus, the Bioware staff and QA are there evryday listening, reading, and making ways to improve the game.

Plus, this is my first and only MMO, so need for comparisons; not a fan of the MMO environs, and rather enjoy the notion that SWTOR may be played as a solo game. For myself, the other people that are griefing, exploiting, whining, and generally are making others miserable are the what spoils such a game. Perhaps this is why things on Illum are currently under repair, as are the Forums.

[Pacifien]

Ringo12 wrote...

Bioware suddenly removes the cancel subscription option the day before the trial runs out.

http://massively.joy...ssing-for-some/

"Suddenly" remove or did the people "suddenly" notice because they only just checked the day before the trial ran out and the problem actually had always been there?

[Nameless one7]

Am I the only person who prefers the corridor type world?

[Elhanan]

Nameless one7 wrote...

Am I the only person who prefers the corridor type world?

Corridor? If you mean 'not a sandbox; more linear', then I am with you. Love the stories including KOTOR.

[redBadger14]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

Melrache wrote...
I am enjoying my SWTOR time quite a bit, the visuals are fine.

It's like they re-used the same engine from KOTOR2, old graphics are old. Just another aspect of the game that shows a lack of effort that was put into this game.

1. Have you even played the game?

2. Make sure your graphics settings are all on high, as the game is clearly much better looking than KOTOR2.

3. If you cant run the game on high, quit whining that it looks like KOTOR2, because it doesn't.

4. SWTOR has some of the best graphics out, by MMO standards.

5. Same engine. No. KOTOR1 and 2 were turn-based.

6. This game has been worked on for years. Work on a game for that long and declare "lack of effort" how dare you man.

So please know what you are actually talking about.

Modifié par redBadger14, 19 janvier 2012 - 04:28 .

[redBadger14]

*edit* random double post -.-

Modifié par redBadger14, 19 janvier 2012 - 04:27 .

[magicalpoop]

I won't speculate, but I'll offer this "Fact"


If a MMORPG fails to achieve a critical # of subscribers over a certain period of time, the long term health of the game is jeopardized.

Will it just "die overnight" ? Nope, didn't even happen to Star Wars Galaxies. But will it be the best it could've been? No, not even close. The development team will simply be cut and drastic changes may occur (like the NGE to SWG which turned it into a WoW clone).

For SWTOR, it has about 2 million boxes sold - However it cost them over 500 million just to develop from some reports. If the product becomes a serious financial loss, it will indeed become a back burner product and minimal further investment will be made into it.

But is the MMO necessarily dead? No....but it sorta stays in a comatose state with very small upgrades.

Compare Everquest and Asheron's call, both have been on going for 10+ years.
The last update to Asherons call was who knows when, they had some event in September but that's about it lol.
http://ac.turbine.co...id=39&Itemid=53

On the otherhand, Everquest just released an expansion in November 2011.


So what will happen to SWTOR? It may just go the same route as SWG and have a very small but nice community that will pay a subscription rate for meager updates. But at this rate, it will never come close to World of WarCraft or EverQuest.

[magicalpoop]

redBadger14 wrote...

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

Melrache wrote...
I am enjoying my SWTOR time quite a bit, the visuals are fine.

It's like they re-used the same engine from KOTOR2, old graphics are old. Just another aspect of the game that shows a lack of effort that was put into this game.

1. Have you even played the game?

2. Make sure your graphics settings are all on high, as the game is clearly much better looking than KOTOR2.

3. If you cant run the game on high, quit whining that it looks like KOTOR2, because it doesn't.

4. SWTOR has some of the best graphics out, by MMO standards.

5. Same engine. No. KOTOR1 and 2 were turn-based.

6. This game has been worked on for years. Work on a game for that long and declare "lack of effort" how dare you man.

So please know what you are actually talking about.

Please don't take this as a flame post, but seriously, SWTOR does not have the best graphics. Do you even go on the SWTOR forum? Please don't blindly say stuff.


Evidence:  
http://i146.photobuc...WComparison.jpg 

What is worse, is that Bioware uses the High resolution textures in their ADVERTISMENTS but there is NO way to achieve those settings in game. I've bee part of the SWTOR community since early beta days okay. Ive been following development for a LONG time. Trust me when I say this, they freaking removed the high textures for no reason whatsoever.

[Chuvvy]

The "unsubscribe" button mysteriously disappeared yesterday, someone posted a work around and then got banned for it. They're also closing threads that tell people how to do it.

Modifié par Slidell505, 19 janvier 2012 - 05:03 .

[redBadger14]

magicalpoop wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

Melrache wrote...
I am enjoying my SWTOR time quite a bit, the visuals are fine.

It's like they re-used the same engine from KOTOR2, old graphics are old. Just another aspect of the game that shows a lack of effort that was put into this game.

1. Have you even played the game?

2. Make sure your graphics settings are all on high, as the game is clearly much better looking than KOTOR2.

3. If you cant run the game on high, quit whining that it looks like KOTOR2, because it doesn't.

4. SWTOR has some of the best graphics out, by MMO standards.

5. Same engine. No. KOTOR1 and 2 were turn-based.

6. This game has been worked on for years. Work on a game for that long and declare "lack of effort" how dare you man.

So please know what you are actually talking about.

Please don't take this as a flame post, but seriously, SWTOR does not have the best graphics. Do you even go on the SWTOR forum? Please don't blindly say stuff.


Evidence:  
http://i146.photobuc...WComparison.jpg 

What is worse, is that Bioware uses the High resolution textures in their ADVERTISMENTS but there is NO way to achieve those settings in game. I've bee part of the SWTOR community since early beta days okay. Ive been following development for a LONG time. Trust me when I say this, they freaking removed the high textures for no reason whatsoever.

I dont take it as a flame post. You may have misunderstood me though. I said "some" of the best, not "the" best. Reason being I know the graphics arent "the" best and certainly aren't perfect, but the game does look wonderful by MMO standards, and certainly looks nothing like KOTOR2, nor does it run on the same engine. Also, character textures in SWTOR are lower res when not in conversation, which you can see in the comparison picture. In convos the character textures look much higher-res and better than WoW, at least from my standpoint.

And no I don't go to the forums. I learned some lessons from BSN and that is that forum users can for the most part be the biggest idiots on the face of the earth. The OP of this thread for instance. And not you of course, mind you.

Besides which, the graphics are my least concern. Gameplay on the other hand, there is so much depth to this game that it's hardly justified that there was "lack of effort" by the development team. They poured their hearts out into SWTOR and it really shows.

Modifié par redBadger14, 19 janvier 2012 - 05:15 .

[Melra]

There are ton of games that look better, but SWTOR was intentionally made that way, I don't mind it since it should allow better performance. It -should-, but there are still some issues, that need to be taken care of.