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[T0paze]

Warriors may have a problem with Loghain, true. Maybe because he's a warrior, too, only a better one.

My PC was a mage, and he never managed to touch me. Come to think of it, he barely managed to move at all, being paralyzed, stunned or frozen most of the time.

Modifié par T0paze, 16 décembre 2009 - 02:55 .

[xka]

With my 2 handed warrior i had a lot of problems to defeat this guy. He was more quick, he stun me with shield, and he makes a lot of damage with a 1 handed weapon no matter i had a good armor. i had to repeat 3 o 4 times this battle ( i didnt want to use another character).



Im sure that with a mage should be easier. With my actual mage ,i will use some gliph, or sleep, ...and then i will fry it, or i will shake his veins with blood magic.

[XOGHunter246]

lol i used sten he killed loghain so easy one run just knock him on the ground loads with pommel 

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 16 décembre 2009 - 03:17 .

[Kalcalan]

In my first playthrough my rogue dispatched him so quickly that I didn't think this duel was worthy of such a foe but when I got to that part with my warrior it was a different stiry. My dual wielding dwarf had some trouble with Loghain until he decided to take a couple of steps away from him to take some shots at the big guy with his bow. It helped in the end and it was a tactic that suited my treacherous dwarf commoner.

Modifié par Kalcalan, 16 décembre 2009 - 03:15 .

[Revik]

I hope people realize that there are 2 ways to duel Loghain. One is after the lands meet goes hogwild with people killing each other and another going to a straight duel with Loghain. If you duel Loghain directly he is MUCH more difficult than if you dueled him after the landsmeet brawl.

That being said using a mage with CC is still ridiculously easy to beat him but fighting him straight up, face to face, mano a mano, warrior to warrior is pretty difficult.

[Spell Singer]

Oh...no I did not realize there was two fights at all. And as for a mage the issue is timing...if you say "Crushing prison", "Curse of Mortality", "Misdirection Hex", etc him I suspect it is pretty much a walk in the park. But should he ever shield bash your mage I suspect the fight ends then and there.



Yes but to me a duel is straight up, man-o-o-man-o, no drinking potions etc...otherwise why go to the point of calling it a duel. I tried to do this in the proving in Orzamar as well. I only used potions I think in the last round (the team battle).



So things like using stealth...poisons, etc these don't seem to be in the spirit of a duel at least for me and frankly that ruined what would have been otherwise an interesting battle for me. The Über-Loghain was a serious downer.

[Tonya777]

Learn to use abilities and the Loghain duel becomes a joke even on nightmare

[djclown]

As a Mage, i had to give it a few tries but then realised that either a lightning storm or Inferno works great.. kills him in seconds..



i tried with Alistar but got my ass kicked good.. (Played on Normal) !

[Timortis]

xka wrote...

With my 2 handed warrior i had a lot of problems to defeat this guy. He was more quick, he stun me with shield, and he makes a lot of damage with a 1 handed weapon no matter i had a good armor. i had to repeat 3 o 4 times this battle ( i didnt want to use another character).

[Aedan_Cousland]

I fought him with my sword & shield warrior and just spammed a lot of abilities that either stun or knock down opponents, and used pots when my health got below the 40% - 50% range. Loghain resists stun effects most of the time, but not always, and you can do a lot of damage on him when he is down. The assault ability also does a lot of damage.

Actually I only used pots the first time I fought him. I stayed true to my promise to Anora the first time through and spared Loghaimn not knowing I couldn't convince Alistair to stay. So I went back to a save just before the landsmeet and fought him again, this time having Alistair execute him. Here again I ran into an outcome I didn't want (Anora refusing to marry  Alistair), so I had to go back to that save and fight Loghain a third time. On the 2nd and 3rd fights I didn't need to use any potions. Loghain is a tough fight, but entirely beatable if you use your abilities.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 16 décembre 2009 - 06:15 .

[T0paze]

djclown wrote...

As a Mage, i had to give it a few tries but then realised that either a lightning storm or Inferno works great.. kills him in seconds..

i tried with Alistar but got my ass kicked good.. (Played on Normal) !

Inferno breaks immersion, I think.


Friendly fire (literally) is possible with that spell, so it's more like a gameplay convenience that no one else in the hall is hurt. That's why I didn't use Blizzard, actually. I also didn't use blood magic, for RP reasons. Besides, Loghain doesn't really need much - just a couple of immobilizing spells, and he'll go down quickly.

And no, even if he gets to your mage (he shouldn't, but still) he shouldn't be able to win that fight, unless, of course, your mage is as weak as a kitten and dies within a second when engaged in melee. You only have to get one immobilizing spell to work (every mage should have some). Then, for the duration of that spell, you can do whatever you want - cast Heal, Glyphs, another immobilizing spell, you name it. Then cast some damaging spells or just hit him with your staff. If you can cast Paralysis Explosion, you can finish him before he even recovers. The point is, Loghain stands no chance against mages.

Also, if you're an Arcane Warrior, you can deliberately avoid using any activated spells and fight him with your sword and shield only, like a warrior. If you have the right sustainables (Rock Armor, Arcane Shield, Shimmering Shield, Miasma), you should be able to beat him without any problem. Throw in a Glyph of Warding on top of that, and he'll hardly hit you at all.

Modifié par T0paze, 16 décembre 2009 - 07:10 .

[Duck and Cover]

He's easy with a dw rogue. The hardest time I had with him was Sten (with tanking talents). His tanking talents were filled out by then. But tanking this guy is not the way to go about it (you'll have to chug health pots)



Instead opt for crowd control and pure damage output. As I said, tank is the worst choice to fight this guy. I only did it my second game because my first game my PC was a tank (he had an easier time than Sten)

[sleepy__head]

T0paze wrote...

Warriors may have a problem with Loghain, true. Maybe because he's a warrior, too, only a better one.

My PC was a mage, and he never managed to touch me. Come to think of it, he barely managed to move at all, being paralyzed, stunned or frozen most of the time.

I think thats a perfect illustration of how broken class balance is.  My first playthrough was with a warrior and without using the 'potion-crutch" I would NEVER have been able to beat Loghain.  My 2nd playthrough with a mage and that battle was a joke, even though it was at a higher level of difficulty.

[paleobones]

How interesting I played on normal and as a human female warrior and i had no problem beating him. Although this was after the mayhem ensued and a duel was called for. No contest at all

[Titius.Vibius]

TimelordDC wrote...

My rogue just stunned him with dirty fighting and brought him down to 75%. Then, riposte for a further few seconds of stun and finishing him off after that. This was on Normal. So, try with a rogue if you can. Or just use Morrigan.

Liar, it can only be done on easy/easier mode.

[OneBadAssMother]

darrenecm wrote...

Other than dropping the dfifficulty down from Normal to easy, can someone please tell me how I'm supposed to defeat Loghain in a one-on-one duel. Even Alastair, in his full suite of Juggernaut armor is beaten to a pulp within 30 seconds and I spend 3/4 of my time sutffing healing potions down my neck. I also have Alastair using the Starfgang sword and this barely makes a mark on Loghains health.

It's really starting to get frustrating being stuck at this spot, unable to proceed no matter who I choose to fight Loghain. I've been trying various tactics with everyone but always get my ass handed to me.

My first playthrough as a human noble 2hander had to resort to about 20 potions. Thats pretty much all I could do. But thats pre-patch - release version however. You might want to patch the game as now in my game it seems he is quite easy (on normal), at least on my wife's characters as I havent got to him yet while replaying my 2hander.

I did notice however he was very easily thrown back with 2handed-sweep and warcry. After getting him to half health on my wife's 2handed queen character I just tended to humiliate the hell outta him by not letting him get up (knocking him down cycling pommel strike/sweep/warcry). It felt so good =)

Hell if only I could go "THIS is your legendary General?! " *pommel strike* "Look at him! He is truly pathetic!" *2-handed sweep* etc etc

[Titius.Vibius]

OneBadAssMother wrote...
.......Hell if only I could go "THIS is your legendary General?! " *pommel strike* "Look at him! He is truly pathetic!" *2-handed sweep* etc etc

Now that's one for the books and one hell of a strategy.

[Loc'n'lol]

Titius.Vibius wrote...

TimelordDC wrote...

My rogue just stunned him with dirty fighting and brought him down to 75%. Then, riposte for a further few seconds of stun and finishing him off after that. This was on Normal. So, try with a rogue if you can. Or just use Morrigan.

Liar, it can only be done on easy/easier mode.

No, no, dirty fighting cannot be resisted, stealth is almost cheating one on one, poisons stack, overall, it's a very easy fight for a rogue. If you want to fight fairly, though, that's incredibly difficult, your defense score doesn't really matter because he uses perfect striking, and he will hit harder and take more punishment than you possibly can.

What's funny is if you look at his stats once he joins your party...<_<
He's like... garbage. They had to give him a unique armor that doesn't have strength requirements (not unlike Howe's axe) because he's not strong enough to wear massive silverite as is... Whether it is a problem with the character not being optimized enough or the strength requirements for items being unreasonably high is debatable.

[Silensfurtim]

its easy with DW CUN Rogue

[Cadarin]

I killed him with my sword/shield warrior on hard without too much trouble. I kept up shield wall so he couldn't knock me down, and I used shield pummel and assault every chance I got. Don't bother with shield block, it won't work on him. Also, don't drink a pot until right after you've swung your sword, otherwise you'll interrupt your own attack.

I died the first couple times I fought him, but after I figured out the timing and which abilities to ignore, I was able to beat him 3 times in a row (I wanted to see all the outcomes after he died).

[OneBadAssMother]

Playing a DW rogue is "cheating" heh

[RLDragon]

<-- DW Dwarf Warrior took him down twice easily. This was on normal. The second time the Grandmaster Paralyze Rune in her Axe procced and he was dead without taking a swing. This was after the 1.2 patch.

[asa17]

used sleep/horror and paralisis (sp) and then just worked him down with my main. not to mention blood control. didnt get hit on hard

[Yaladwen]

Did no one mention that swords have ****ty armor penetration? Put on a good mace / maul if melee is your thing. Sheesh

[I ReVaNChisT I]

he never gave e any trouble, first time on normal i used alistair and won without too much trouble, second time on nightmare my 2 hander didnt even get touched, used frightening appearance, sunder armor, pommel strike then final blow and he was finished

Modifié par I ReVaNChisT I, 17 décembre 2009 - 09:54 .