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[menasure]

i always use morrigan and cone of cold whenever i can. loghain tends to wipe the floor with non-mages unless you drink potions ... way to cheat a duel even more than by using a mage.

funny moment was when i used shale. loghain says something about a strength advantage for shale ... some seconds later shale was dead LOL.

[Spell Singer]

I did this fight under 1.01b so maybe there has been a change. I also was assuming, incorrectly, that he had shield wall/shield mastery so didn't bother with any knockdown attacks since they will fail automatically. That my warcry knocked him down should have alerted me to this being wrong but I was angry by that time and missed it.



My character was also missing to beat the band, even accounting for his warcry my attack bonus was still high enough that I should have had no difficulties hitting, heck I missed when he was paralyzed. But at the end of the day his damage was base 80-100 hp which is a factor 2.5-3 more than it should be and his hitpoints were over 400, and probably closer to double what he should have had. So he was doing x10 more damage then he should have after armour consideration, x4 damage than I was doing, hitting about 2-4 times as often with potentially double the hitpoints (hard to say here my character has 316 or so) with a seemingly inexhaustible supply of stamina. That extreme a difference takes fun and challenge out and turns it into "I'll out heal you."



To put things in perspective ogre rams and the arch demon did less damage then he did. It may be possible to do this fight easily with different talents and character classes but for this particular battle the laws of the game suddenly changed in so far as my character was concerned. Worse is the small detail it is obviously a distortion of the game rules and I am left baffled by why it is even done that way.



Regardless for me at least it was an utterly immersion wracking event which coupled with the fallout of honoring my word to find a way to let him live takes away a lot of the shine this part of the game should have. And what I felt when I looked at his character was not amusement but utter shock at how badly distorted that battle was given his character's actual abilities.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I wanted a fair fight...I wanted him to be comparable to a high-levle PC ..to be a regular human being, like me. Give him some pots, but don't turn him itn osuperman.



I hate it when games do this. A normal man in robes should not have a massive armor rating!!!! I dont care how big of a boss he is, unless he's in heavy armor or a friggin dragon, I don't want to see a million HP's and amazing armor ratings.

Hasn't Bioware learned from the BG1 & 2? Apparently not.

[v.lokai]

A sword and board warrior can beat him with zero pots on normal although you may get <25% health. Shield Bash, Shield Pummel, Assault, Overpower, and he should be on his back or stunned for most of the fight. Throw in paralyze rune you most likely own by this point and a stun poison and you may get lucky on the stuns firing.



Don't forget max Warcry for debuff+knockdown and Holy Smite for a possible stun as well. Sword and Board champ/templars are really masters of dictating the flow of battle.

[MarcAntony]

 
As a Cunning Rogue, based off of Discobird's Dagger/Dagger build I can beat Loghain in a matter of seconds without being hit once on normal mode.

I am not one of those "i teh plays solo nightmarex10 and pwns cats for a living” people either. 
 
As a cunning D/D Rogue, as some have mentioned, you simply open with a Dirty Fighting, swing around to the rear and Backstab a few times – when he comes to, pop Riposte and by the time he comes to again he will be under 20% before you’ve been hit once. He will hit you a couple times, but you will drop him before your health drops below 90%.

Now if you want to do it and not be hit at all, drop an Interesting Lure trap right at the outset of the fight and he will run to it and be stunned. Get directly behind him and since by this level your dps will be around 150dps as a D/D Cunning Rogue, he will drop in about 3-5 seconds. Better yet, he never even touched you    ^ ^   and got punked in front of everyone     <---- very rewarding....

Modifié par MarcAntony, 17 décembre 2009 - 04:34 .

[Silensfurtim]

 For a CUN Rogue, its simply easy as...
Tainted Blade > Mark of Death > Dirty Fighting > Stabbity Stab Stab
Super Fast Duel with Loghain

[Eislor]

I ran into a bizarre, and so far unreproducible, bug with my duel.



I wanted to play out the Landsmeet in a couple different ways, so I saved before entering the Landsmeet so I could reload that save and see what the different outcomes were. My first playthrough was on Normal difficulty with my main, a DW rogue. I got through the duel with no problems, saved the game then loaded my pre-Landsmeet save to try different choices. I turned the difficulty down to Easy for this playthrough. Did the duel with my main again, no problems.



On my third playthrough, this time with Al, Loghain was unbeatable. He resisted every ability, took very little damage from every attack and did MASSIVE damage with all his attacks. So I reloaded and tried again with my main, the DW rogue. I got the same thing as Al, Loghain resisted my abilities, Dirty Fighting stunned him only momentarily, and I couldn't effectively damage him. I tried this one more time, amd I still couldn't beat him.



I exited the game completely instead of just loading the save. I restart DA:O and load my pre-Landsmeet save and try the duel with Al again. Loghain dropped quick. I ended up doing the Landsmeet successfully 5 times total with this character (using the pre-Landsmeet save I made) and I've done the Landsmeet on 2 other characters now also, and I only saw that one anomalous streak of the invincible Loghain.



If you happen upon an invincible Loghain, try exiting the game completely, don't just reload. See if that fixes it. Anyone else ever see something like this? (Remember, the invincible Loghain happened after I set the difficulty to EASY.)

[T0paze]

Never saw anything like that.
Although I didn't switch to Easy or any other difficulty level. I was playing on Hard, just trying different options in the conversation.
Basicaly, the only difference between the 'easy Loghain' and the 'hard Loghain' was that the 'hard Loghain' was able to resist the first immobilizing spell I cast and and it took another attempt to stun/freeze/paralyze him. The easy Loghain didn't even resist the first one.

Modifié par T0paze, 17 décembre 2009 - 05:53 .

[Loc'n'lol]

Eislor wrote...

Uh that's quite interesting because I have definetely run into a nearly-invincible Loghain, hitting for 50+ damage per hit with assault, almost untouchable, never missing, resisting anything thrown at him, etc, but I had simply assumed the character I was using (Al) was not up to the task and it went relatively well with my rogue (my first char, not terribly optimized either, but I won after a couple of tries and a bunch of potions. Never had that much trouble with subsequent chars). That would certainly explain some of the differences between "zOMG Loghain is invincible" and "Loghain is a wuss" people...

[T0paze]

50+ damage per hit? But that's perfectly normal. He does deal that damage. I remember because he hit my PC a couple of times when I was trying different options, and the figures were something like that, perhaps even more (like 60 or so). And when he does hit, he rarely misses, too (well, unless I turn on some buffs and fight him like an Arcane Warrior).

Modifié par T0paze, 17 décembre 2009 - 06:12 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

v.lokai wrote...

A sword and board warrior can beat him with zero pots on normal although you may get

Don't forget max Warcry for debuff+knockdown and Holy Smite for a possible stun as well. Sword and Board champ/templars are really masters of dictating the flow of battle.

I know you can, but It would be nice i he acted more like a player character and wouldbe like him in stats. I dont' recall ever seeing him using any pots.

Also, I play on Hard or Nightmare. Normal is for ******.

[MarcAntony]

Silensfurtim wrote...

 For a CUN Rogue, its simply easy as...
Tainted Blade > Mark of Death > Dirty Fighting > Stabbity Stab Stab
Super Fast Duel with Loghain

That Dirty Fighting lasted a tad longer than mine on Hard, but its basically that simple indeed.  Cunning Dagger/Dagger Rogue is so powerful.

[mrmike_1949]

Did you give Alistair ability to use poisons? A good weapon with 3 GM (paralyze/lightning/frost) runes, and a strong poison on the weapon makes it fairly easy for my rogue. Yeah, needed "several" health potions, but easily do-able

[mrmike_1949]

menasure wrote...

i always use morrigan and cone of cold whenever i can. loghain tends to wipe the floor with non-mages unless you drink potions ... way to cheat a duel even more than by using a mage.
funny moment was when i used shale. loghain says something about a strength advantage for shale ... some seconds later shale was dead LOL.

Same here, only tried it the once for laughs, same as using Dog (now that's funny)

[PatT2]

mrmike_1949 wrote...

menasure wrote...

i always use morrigan and cone of cold whenever i can. loghain tends to wipe the floor with non-mages unless you drink potions ... way to cheat a duel even more than by using a mage.
funny moment was when i used shale. loghain says something about a strength advantage for shale ... some seconds later shale was dead LOL.

Same here, only tried it the once for laughs, same as using Dog (now that's funny)

Ummm.. I heard you couldn't use dog.

[Cedius]

Mage=easymode. Cone of cold+mind blast=Winning this 1v1 fight, or any fight without taking any damage.

[PatT2]

wth is a "cunning" rogue? As opposed to a dex rogue? just pm me and send me a link.

[Kerilus]

PatT2 wrote...

mrmike_1949 wrote...

menasure wrote...

i always use morrigan and cone of cold whenever i can. loghain tends to wipe the floor with non-mages unless you drink potions ... way to cheat a duel even more than by using a mage.
funny moment was when i used shale. loghain says something about a strength advantage for shale ... some seconds later shale was dead LOL.

Same here, only tried it the once for laughs, same as using Dog (now that's funny)

Ummm.. I heard you couldn't use dog.

Not the doing part, but the trying part.

[Silensfurtim]

PatT2 wrote...

wth is a "cunning" rogue? As opposed to a dex rogue? just pm me and send me a link.

This

[ijmorris]

The contention that only Alistair has trouble with him is wrong. My DW Rogue simply couldn't do enough damage to him, and with the 1.02 patch the cooldown wouldn't allow me to keep him stunned long enough to avoid getting chopped down...However, I didn't try kiting him to get my cooldown time back...Morrigan is the way to go in this fight, though...CoC, Crushing Prison, Winter's Grasp....Run, Repeat...

[ellisar75]

anyone ever have problems with freezing up at the end of the fight with Loghain? Every time I kill him my PS3 freezes. Like it's about to go to a cutscene but instead it just locks up. I've friggin killed him like 15 times in a row.

[maxernst]

Alistair is tough because he's immune to the overpower/shield bash attacks that are Alistair's usual specialty. If you want to use him, I'd use poison and potion spam like crazy. My dual-wielding rogue also had trouble doing damage on him, but just keeping dropping into stealth for backstabs and use a lot of critical strikes. Dirty fighting, followed by flurry with momentum on is good too. And poison, of course.

Haven't tried it with a mage...Morrigan probably would be easier.  It seems wrong from an RP standpoint, though.  It's frustrating that the logical choice really for the duel is probably the one that is hardest to win with.

Modifié par maxernst, 21 février 2010 - 02:01 .

[flixerflax]

Berserker Sten annihilated Loghain on Hard. (Indomitable!) Nightmare was a different story, he was beatable but it was an even match.

[Axekix]

I completely stun locked him on my first play through with a 2h warrior. War Cry-> Sunder Armor-> Mighty Blow *stun*-> Sunder Arms -> Crit Strike *stun*-> auto.



Kinda anti-climactic imo.

[-Jaren-]

AW casts Crushing Prison, Blood Wound, Miasma, then Combat Magic. Dead Loghain. Works on Nightmare ;D