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Oleg Petrovsky appreciation thread( ME: Invasion spoilers)

Débuté par CroGamer002 , janv. 19 2012 09:00

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#51
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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 07:39

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liesandpropaganda wrote...

Does Oleg have a communist agenda



Eh, why?

Because he quotes lot of Russian military strategies?

Modifié par Mesina2, 19 janvier 2012 - 07:39 .

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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 07:42

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liesandpropaganda wrote...
god look at them
who would even draw that

There is an enormous gap between the art quality of the first issue and the remaining ones.

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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 07:50

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Now this is badass scene:

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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 08:17

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Mesina2 wrote...

^Though it is possible that he is Russian with some Ukrainian ancestry.

Like his grand-grand-grandfather married Russian woman and lived in Russia and last name stick for next generations, but Oleg pretty much lived like a Russian in Russia and considers himself Russian and other who lived with him also consider him Russian since it is like many generations from Ukrainian ancestry.


Though that's my theory.

 lol
well during soviet union, ukrainian ...russian were pretty much the same, some of them still consider themselves russians =] -sky is the usual surname in south russia and ukraine ... that is all :P

Modifié par makalathbonagin, 19 janvier 2012 - 08:17 .

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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 08:24

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naledgeborn wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Inb4 "lololp paragon traitor allowing aliens to live".


Pro-human =/= Anti-alien.

Cerberus track record of killing humans in their crusade against alien species places them firmly in the anti-alien camp, far, far away from the pro-human camp... which is, in fact, populated mostly by paragons/paragades/renegons.

I will try to save as many aliens as I can in ME3, but not at the explicit expense of my own species (say, saving Palaven by letting Earth be destroyed). I'd say that makes me pro-human by definition.

naledgeborn wrote... 

For instance I respect the salrians and turians and can see the benefits of a long term alliance with the krogan and volus. Doesn't mean I have to be a xenophilliac who kisses the ground every Asari Matriarch walks on like some people on these forums do.

I hope you're not insinuating I would do such a silly thing. Even though I have never outright expressed it (seeing as no discussion has ever called for it), I am a firm believer that the asari (hell, all council species, humans included) needs to be bumped down a notch while the rest needs to be bumped up. Oligarchial rule is not how it's done properly.

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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 08:27

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liesandpropaganda wrote...
god look at them
who would even draw that


If I had to guess, a lot of things changed after Issue 1 was made.

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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 08:45

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Mesina2 wrote...

^You haven't payed any attention nor read any codex entry in neither ME1 and ME2 playthrough, I presume.


There is greyness and depth in Mass Effect but it is almost never at the forefront of the story being told. It exists only in the lore, in the codex. The actual stories Bioware chooses to tell mostly ignore it. They like to keep things very simple and that's boring.

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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 08:47

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Arcian wrote...

Cerberus track record of killing humans in their crusade against alien species places them firmly in the anti-alien camp, far, far away from the pro-human camp... which is, in fact, populated mostly by paragons/paragades/renegons.

I will try to save as many aliens as I can in ME3, but not at the explicit expense of my own species (say, saving Palaven by letting Earth be destroyed). I'd say that makes me pro-human by definition...

I hope you're not insinuating I would do such a silly thing. Even though I have never outright expressed it (seeing as no discussion has ever called for it), I am a firm believer that the asari (hell, all council species, humans included) needs to be bumped down a notch while the rest needs to be bumped up. Oligarchial rule is not how it's done properly.


I wasn't talking about Cerberus, but people who are pro-human in general. There's a common misconception about people who support human advancement or put's humanity's interests ahead of other species'. We aren't xenophobic; we just have the common sense to know that people will look out for their own before they do others. It's how governments work. And by looking at the political stuctures of the other council aligned races it would be naive to think that they, like humans, haven't developed along the lines of a tribal society. That's not saying "us vs them" rather "us, then them".

Also Cerberus is divided into different cells with a diverse spectrum of people just like any organization. Miranda said "too many people join out of simple xenophobia" which is not to say all. And I didn't mean to imply you were a "filthy asari lover" (LOL), but a lot of people around here are. I was talking about them.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 19 janvier 2012 - 08:48 .

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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 08:58

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naledgeborn wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Cerberus track record of killing humans in their crusade against alien species places them firmly in the anti-alien camp, far, far away from the pro-human camp... which is, in fact, populated mostly by paragons/paragades/renegons.

I will try to save as many aliens as I can in ME3, but not at the explicit expense of my own species (say, saving Palaven by letting Earth be destroyed). I'd say that makes me pro-human by definition...

I hope you're not insinuating I would do such a silly thing. Even though I have never outright expressed it (seeing as no discussion has ever called for it), I am a firm believer that the asari (hell, all council species, humans included) needs to be bumped down a notch while the rest needs to be bumped up. Oligarchial rule is not how it's done properly.


I wasn't talking about Cerberus, but people who are pro-human in general. There's a common misconception about people who support human advancement or put's humanity's interests ahead of other species'. We aren't xenophobic; we just have the common sense to know that people will look out for their own before they do others. It's how governments work. And by looking at the political stuctures of the other council aligned races it would be naive to think that they, like humans, haven't developed along the lines of a tribal society. That's not saying "us vs them" rather "us, then them".

Also Cerberus is divided into different cells with a diverse spectrum of people just like any organization. Miranda said "too many people join out of simple xenophobia" which is not to say all. And I didn't mean to imply you were a "filthy asari lover" (LOL), but a lot of people around here are. I was talking about them.


Even some of us who like the asari and romanced Liara would defend humanity first and foremost. So some of us "filthy asari lover" people would choose saving Earth over Thessia. 

Let's just hope that these kind of choices don't have to be made because alot of history and cultures would disappear as a result. No matter the species, this would be sad. 

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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 09:00

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PMC65 wrote...

alot of history and cultures would disappear as a result. No matter the species, this would be sad. 

signed, Them. Image IPB


I agree with this part.

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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 09:01

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PMC65 wrote...

Let's just hope that these kind of choices don't have to be made because alot of history and cultures would disappear as a result. No matter the species, this would be sad. 

signed, Them. Image IPB


Good thing we have museums then.

Modifié par Saphra Deden, 19 janvier 2012 - 09:01 .

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Posté 19 janvier 2012 - 09:40

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^You haven't payed any attention nor read any codex entry in neither ME1 and ME2 playthrough, I presume.


There is greyness and depth in Mass Effect but it is almost never at the forefront of the story being told. It exists only in the lore, in the codex. The actual stories Bioware chooses to tell mostly ignore it. They like to keep things very simple and that's boring.

And when you say moral greyness, do you mean actual moral greyness as in consequences of positive and negative actions being indistinguishable, or do you mean "being a kumbayah-singing goody-two-shoes should be punished and being a murderous psychopath who eats babies for breakfast every morning should be rewarded" a'la WH40K grimderp style?

Because, honestly, most pro-renegade and pro-cerbies seem to belong to the latter camp. Which is very sad and disturbing.

Modifié par Arcian, 19 janvier 2012 - 09:43 .

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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 05:37

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^And I'm happy for Oleg Petrovsky is in Cerberus, just for that.

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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 05:42

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Arcian wrote...

And when you say moral greyness, do you mean actual moral greyness as in consequences of positive and negative actions being indistinguishable,


That's what I mean. Consequences can be both good and bad at the same time. Someone benefits from what you did while another suffers.

Perhaps you create new problems while you solve older ones.

Like say damaging turian and human relations causes them to start a cold war with one another which hurts unity but also means that they both built up their militaries more.

As a Renegade you are trusted more often with critical missions but are given very little benefit of the doubt when it comes to forging alliances.

That kind of thing.

That's not really what I was talking about though. I have a thread I'm going to make about it soon. Maybe later today.

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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 09:52

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"Is Oleg Petrovsky in ME3? I'll spam this question until answered. He is one of my favorite characters!"

"Maybe. #Question #Answered"

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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 10:40

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Thank you Bioware for not killing Oleg off, like what I thought would happen after seeing the Issue 4 cover art. :)

And I'll add in my support for Oleg appearing as an ally in ME3.

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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 06:42

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^yay

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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 12:03

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Oleg is a badass.

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Modifié par Chewin3, 22 janvier 2012 - 12:03 .

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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 12:08

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^
Oleg: You dodged my question.
Illusive Man: My ancestor is Casey Hudson.
Oleg: And...?
Illusive Man: Look, galaxy is at war. GO and secure Omega.

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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 01:18

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I'm worried for him. His personality doesn't fit the Cerberus mold.

I'd suggest checking his back more carefully. His collar could have a tag that says "I'm indoctrinated" or "I'm turning evil soon!".

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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 01:46

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^Miranda and Jacob?

Entire Normandy SR-2 Cerberus crew?

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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 01:54

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Well they aren't exactly Cerberus personnel by the end of ME2/start of ME3 are they?

I don't mind Oleg becoming a villain. Just so long as he becomes one by choice. Not by indoctrination.

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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 02:03

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Love TIM's expression and silence in that comic. He's like "Oh **** this guy is good".

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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 06:32

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^
Illusive Man: Note yourself. Don't let my smart and competent personal talk with smart enemy.

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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 06:47

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More like: Don't hire smart people. They tend to leave.


EDIT: Come to think of it, this guy needs banners!

Modifié par Chewin3, 22 janvier 2012 - 06:48 .

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