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[AgitatedLemon]

jreezy wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

jreezy wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

We don't even know the extent a yahg could reach in terms of raw strength, do we? I mean, the most we saw was the Shadow Broker flipping a table.

We know they're predators, and that they're aggressive. So are the krogan.

They're also very intelligent. Not many Krogan can say that.

Considering what Wrex has been able to do with the Krogan thus far...?

One.

That isn't many is it?

Okeer (created thounsands of tank breds)
The mechanic (He's a mechanic)
Fortack (Scientist on Tuchanka)
Arguably, Grunt (He learns quickly, and he's just a tank bred, he doesn't have a lot of exposure)
Arguably, Charr (Artistic, if not intelligent)

We don't know enough named krogan to assume that they're intelligent. Same with the yahg. but with the yahg, we're never given a prime example of the average citizen. The Shadow Broker was considered unique "For his cunning and intellect", suggesting he was smarter than most.

[Aimi]

jreezy wrote...

daqs wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Garrus is optional, and I already said I don't know if you can avoid Wrex or not.

You can.

I don't think so.

Yes, he is avoidable. You need either Garrus or Wrex to attack Chora's Den. The other can be avoided safely.

Modifié par daqs, 20 janvier 2012 - 01:44 .

[Il Divo]

jreezy wrote...

daqs wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Garrus is optional, and I already said I don't know if you can avoid Wrex or not.

You can.

I don't think so.

Just to settle this, I believe the player is capable of avoiding either Wrex or Garrus, but not both.

Edit: I didn't know the Avatar was a ninja.

Modifié par Il Divo, 20 janvier 2012 - 01:45 .

[Aimi]

jreezy wrote...

I was under the impression that the event on Virmire has to happen.

Nope. If you avoid Garrus entirely and avoid Liara until after Virmire, Wrex won't even have a confrontation with you on Virmire, because if you had to put him down, you wouldn't have enough squad members to finish the level. And, of course, if you don't recruit him at all...

Modifié par daqs, 20 janvier 2012 - 01:48 .

[Praetor Knight]

Chun Hei wrote...

Oh I know. And I was not and am not trying to be snarky. I probably should have put my last line first somehow to show that I did not miss that. All I was saying is that the major (and better) missions in ME2 were not "really" about chasing the Collectors unlike the major missions in ME1 which were about Saren. "Assignments" which I called "independent ventures" are a part of both games.

I have ME1 relatively fresh in my mind, since I played it about a week or two ago. And I remember that convo with Anderson before getting on the SR1 and he tells you to forget about looking for Saren, to just investigate Feros and Noveria and looking for Liara. And I remember looking for Liara the first time. I had to explore all four star systems (I didn't have any guide my first go).

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 20 janvier 2012 - 01:49 .

[Chun Hei]

jreezy wrote...

daqs wrote...

jreezy wrote...

daqs wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Garrus is optional, and I already said I don't know if you can avoid Wrex or not.

You can.

I don't think so.

Yes, he is avoidable. You need either Garrus or Wrex to attack Chora's Den. The other can be avoided safely.

I was under the impression that the event on Virmire has to happen.

If you never recruit him he shows up on the back of a motorcycle driven by Leliana and demands that you do not blow up the Virmire facility.

[Chun Hei]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

Oh I know. And I was not and am not trying to be snarky. I probably should have put my last line first somehow to show that I did not miss that. All I was saying is that the major (and better) missions in ME2 were not "really" about chasing the Collectors unlike the major missions in ME1 which were about Saren. "Assignments" which I called "independent ventures" are a part of both games.

I have ME1 relatively fresh in my mind, since I played it about a week or two ago. And I remember that convo with Anderson before getting on the SR1 and he tells you to forget about looking for Saren, to just investigate Feros and Noveria and looking for Liara. And I remember looking for Liara the first time. I had to explore all four star systems (I didn't have any guide my first go).

You do not have to find Liara first. And while you do not search for Saren directly each system has a connection to Saren or Geth sightings.

[Aaleel]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

Oh I know. And I was not and am not trying to be snarky. I probably should have put my last line first somehow to show that I did not miss that. All I was saying is that the major (and better) missions in ME2 were not "really" about chasing the Collectors unlike the major missions in ME1 which were about Saren. "Assignments" which I called "independent ventures" are a part of both games.

I have ME1 relatively fresh in my mind, since I played it about a week or two ago. And I remember that convo with Anderson before getting on the SR1 and he tells you to forget about looking for Saren, to just investigate Feros and Noveria and looking for Liara. And I remember looking for Liara the first time. I had to explore all four star systems (I didn't have any guide my first go).

That was because they wanted to understand what happened with th becon and what the visions where about because that could help.  And since Liara was a prothean expert they wanted her to see what Saren may have been after.

[Bananables]

question: has it been confirmed that you can continue your romance with your ME2 LI? my LI was miranda, if shes not a confirmed squadmate, and it seems like shell never be, how would you continue the f***ing?

[AgitatedLemon]

Bananables wrote...

question: has it been confirmed that you can continue your romance with your ME2 LI? my LI was miranda, if shes not a confirmed squadmate, and it seems like shell never be, how would you continue the f***ing?

All of the previous romances are continuable.

[Il Divo]

Bananables wrote...

question: has it been confirmed that you can continue your romance with your ME2 LI? my LI was miranda, if shes not a confirmed squadmate, and it seems like shell never be, how would you continue the f***ing?

All the romances are continuable. It's just unlikely that you'll be having frequent conversations with your LI while on the mission. Think something similar to how Liara was handled in Lair of the Shadowbroker.

[Praetor Knight]

Chun Hei wrote...

You do not have to find Liara first. And while you do not search for Saren directly each system has a connection to Saren or Geth sightings.

Hmm... okay, but I don't want to stay too off-topic.

Aaleel wrote...

That was because they wanted to understand what happened with th becon and what the visions where about because that could help.  And since Liara was a prothean expert they wanted her to see what Saren may have been after.

Well, only Anderson seemed interested in the Beacon. And yeah, Liara was an unknown, until meeting her.



So, trying to get back on topic, eight permanent seem like a happy medium.

[Bananables]

Il Divo wrote...

Bananables wrote...

question: has it been confirmed that you can continue your romance with your ME2 LI? my LI was miranda, if shes not a confirmed squadmate, and it seems like shell never be, how would you continue the f***ing?

All the romances are continuable. It's just unlikely that you'll be having frequent conversations with your LI while on the mission. Think something similar to how Liara was handled in Lair of the Shadowbroker.

ah damn so its not progressive in the sense that you can talk to them after every mission and just tease-flirt them to death?

and btw, i know that ashley (if she was your ME1 romance) will find out that you slept with miranda and that there will be awkward moments etc. but would it still be possible to romance her regardless? like say sorry 400 times like any boyfriend would irl?

[Trickybam]

implodinggoat wrote...

Trickybam wrote...

Bioware have said they wanted a smaller number of squad mates so they can concentrate on the characters and go more indepth.

also, and im not 100 % on this but ti think if Tali or Garrus died in ME2 they will be replaced by a diffirent character in ME3, so you would still have the same size squad

Nope,  if they're dead then you just have a smaller squad. 4 to 5 as opposed to 6 or 7.

hmm, well that does suck a bit

[implodinggoat]

Bananables wrote...

and btw, i know that ashley (if she was your ME1 romance) will find out that you slept with miranda and that there will be awkward moments etc. but would it still be possible to romance her regardless? like say sorry 400 times like any boyfriend would irl?

Unless you want to read the leaked script and spoil the whole game then there's no way of knowing.

I would guess you'd be able to pick things up though.  I mean the last time she saw you, you saved her life and she thought that was an appropriate time to call you a traitor.   Doesn't seem to me like Shepard is the one who should be appologizing.

[Chun Hei]

Trickybam wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

Trickybam wrote...

Bioware have said they wanted a smaller number of squad mates so they can concentrate on the characters and go more indepth.

also, and im not 100 % on this but ti think if Tali or Garrus died in ME2 they will be replaced by a diffirent character in ME3, so you would still have the same size squad

Nope,  if they're dead then you just have a smaller squad. 4 to 5 as opposed to 6 or 7.

hmm, well that does suck a bit

Consequences. See? Your choices do matter.

[Chun Hei]

jreezy wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

Trickybam wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

Trickybam wrote...

Bioware have said they wanted a smaller number of squad mates so they can concentrate on the characters and go more indepth.

also, and im not 100 % on this but ti think if Tali or Garrus died in ME2 they will be replaced by a diffirent character in ME3, so you would still have the same size squad

Nope,  if they're dead then you just have a smaller squad. 4 to 5 as opposed to 6 or 7.

hmm, well that does suck a bit

Consequences. See? Your choices do matter.

Regardless of whether you're being sarcastic or not this is correct.

I was being serious. I think. Let me go check...

Yep.

[Il Divo]

Bananables wrote...


ah damn so its not progressive in the sense that you can talk to them after every mission and just tease-flirt them to death?

This is just me spitballing ideas, but yeah I don't think it'll be progressive the way you're suggesting. Take Miranda. If she's not part of the ME3 squad, how can Shepard have an ordinary convo with her? I'm not saying it'll be a oneshot romance, just that as an LI she's probably not going to have the same availability as Ashley or Tali.

and btw, i know that ashley (if she was your ME1 romance) will find out that you slept with miranda and that there will be awkward moments etc. but would it still be possible to romance her regardless? like say sorry 400 times like any boyfriend would irl?

Haha, well considering that's my current situation in game, I'll be finding out once ME3 hits shelves.

Modifié par Il Divo, 20 janvier 2012 - 03:29 .

[MrFob]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

The entire purpose of the ME2 squad was that you're recruiting a handful of specialists for manpower, they're the best of the best in their respective fields of operation.

They're not all supposed to have deep personal connections to the Collectors.

Ashley and Kaidan serve little purpose aside from being forced on the player. Garrus is optional, and I already said I don't know if you can avoid Wrex or not. That leaves Tali and Liara. So, Tali and Liara are mandatory, and Ashley and Kidan are mandatory, that's 4 squadmates. Out of those 4, w of them are relevant in some form to the plot. Out of those 2, only 1 is relevant to anything else. Liara.

Out of the ME2 squad, they have more members that are relevant to multiple other galactic affairs. Mordin for example with the genophage. Miranda and Cerberus. Legion and the non-heretic geth. Zaeed and the Blue Suns. Kasumi and the greybox, etc.

I was never arguing that the ME2 squad was relevant, for the most part they aren't, I was saying that they're members have a larger impact as a whole, as opposed to the ME1 cast (Except Liara).

How?  Mordin developed a countermeasure for the seeker swarms. Other than that, the rest were just important because you were told they were, but what did they really bring.  During the suicide mission several of your squad members were unqualified to do any of the tasks you had to pick people for. 

How what? What are you asking me?

Did I not say that the rest of the recruitment was to build up manpower? Shepard and co. had no idea how powerful the Collectors were, they weren't going to bring Joe, Steve, Tom, and Moe. They were going to bring the best of the best of the best. Grunt is arguably the most dangerous krogan alive. Thane is one of the most highly skilled assassins in the galaxy, Samara and Jack are 2 of the most powerful biotics, Zaeed was the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy, Kaumi the craftiest thief, etc.

First, you can argue that Kaiden and Ash are important for the main plot since one of them detonates the bomb on Virmire, while the other provides the means for Shepard to have to choose. Also, Wrex is giving you a context for the genophage issue which is part of the main plot since Saren experiments with it/cures it. Garrus is an arguable case but he gives a turian perspective which is important since your main adversary is a turian.

Besides, this whole discussion is getting off point IMO.
It's not about how crucial every individual in the squad is for the final mission. The difference was that (and I say it AGAIN) the recruitment itself is woven into the main plot in ME1 while in ME2, the main plot basically stops for the recruitment.
That was all fair enough for ME2 but for the third and final part of the trilogy, the ME1 way to do makes more sense (to me at least) since the narrative should first and foremost evolve around the conclusion of the main plot. Therefore, 4-6 is a good number IMO to keep the emphasis on the main plot rather than on the squad members while still having some background missions and dialogue for them.

The ME1 or ME2 assignments have nothing to do with this since we are talking about squad mates. The assignments are independent of squadmate recruitment or missions.

[Il Divo]

MrFob wrote...

The ME1 or ME2 assignments have nothing to do with this since we are talking about squad mates. The assignments are independent of squadmate recruitment or missions.

ME2's issue is that the mission parameters don't really require any of these specialists. A typical heist film, which is the model ME2 follows, typically begins by laying out the plan + necessary roles for the heist. This is done so that the audience is aware of what each member's role is.

The problem with ME2 isn't that recruitment is a bad idea; it's always a good plan to be prepared for the unexpected, which is covered through the diverse group of specialists. The problem is that you can take any narrative and turn it into a recruitment gig. Take ME1. Shepard could have said to Anderson "Hey, I need a really good team", and instead of a plot-focused storyline, we would have had the ME2-esque recruitment +  a few short story-oriented missions. The recruitment missions themselves were great, but they came at the expense of a focused narrative.