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[Rasputin17]

[quote]Shub-Niggurath64 wrote...

[quote]N7Infiltrait0r wrote...

more is better, this is mass effect so even if they had 20 teammates to choose from then they would still have quality in all the characters.[/quote]Wrong.


Maybe not 20 but they could still let the character be available for combat. Those that want to explore the main characters deeper can and those that want to use their favorite characters in combat will be able to as well. I am saying that adding a few more squad mates does not have to take depth away from the squad mates known to be in the game. The "extra" squad mates just would not have as much story depth. Wouldn't that add more value for future play throughs? I bet they are holding back some squad mates for DLC.

[AgitatedLemon]

Actually them holding back a number of characters as DLC would be fine by me.

inb4BUT THEY CAN DIE/I DON'T LIKE THEM

Well... Don't buy the DLC for them then.

edit: You have the main cast, which is of course pretty plot centric, and you can pick up any optional favorite characters you'd like for a budget.

Considering there's likely not going to be any post-campaign DLC for ME3, it's be silly to at least not consider it.

also inb4BUT THEY HAZ TO REWRITE TEH LOER.

Well... It's DLC. 

A. There's nothing wrong with a rewrite, so long as it isn't WORSE than the original product, and still makes sense.

B. Not all DLC needs to be canon. See: RDR Undead Nightmare.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 19 janvier 2012 - 06:27 .

[implodinggoat]

Complistic wrote...

lol the thread title is a spoiler. A classic.

Yeah its a bit of a spoiler; but I didn't think saying the squad was "smaller" made much of an impression.  Telling you its 4 to 6 lets you get a more developed opinion.

Besides that I think its the sort of thing people should know and be prepared to deal with going into the game rather than getting really pissed off when they get the game.   The unrevealed squadmates aren't being spoiled,  I'm just telling you that if you were counting on Bioware revealing a whole bunch of new squadmates then you're going to be dissapointed.

[wildannie]

The problem I have with the squad is that it fails to represent a plausible squad for my Shepard. In particular neither Liara or Tali would be included.
Its all very well to have a smaller squad and deeper interactions the problem is that some players are not going to be as interested in the interactions with the squad that's been forced on them.

[Ice Cold J]

I'm torn.

I think maybe 12 was too much, although it was a cool concept.

But, now I feel like 6-7 isn't enough after meeting so many cool character through the two games.

MY suggestion?

Give us 6-8 slots that we can fill with ANY squadmates who have survived to this point and let the game play out from there. No need for new characters and I'm pretty sure multiple characters can fill different roles in the same storytelling set-pieces. I.e. Liara would know things as the Shadow Broker that Kasumi could've chanced upon while working as a thief, Miranda could've found through old Cerebus connections, or Garrus got through an old C-Sec contanct.

[AgitatedLemon]

wildannie wrote...

The problem I have with the squad is that it fails to represent a plausible squad for my Shepard. In particular neither Liara or Tali would be included.
Its all very well to have a smaller squad and deeper interactions the problem is that some players are not going to be as interested in the interactions with the squad that's been forced on them.

Also this.

I'm all for a higher amount of interaction and banter...

... It's just not with the characters I really care for.

At the very least I have Garrus and Liara, and they outfit a decent squad build-up with my Sentinel Shep.

[implodinggoat]

Trickybam wrote...

Bioware have said they wanted a smaller number of squad mates so they can concentrate on the characters and go more indepth.

also, and im not 100 % on this but ti think if Tali or Garrus died in ME2 they will be replaced by a diffirent character in ME3, so you would still have the same size squad

Nope,  if they're dead then you just have a smaller squad. 4 to 5 as opposed to 6 or 7.

[Shub-Niggurath64]

Ice Cold J wrote...

I'm torn.

I think maybe 12 was too much, although it was a cool concept.

But, now I feel like 6-7 isn't enough after meeting so many cool character through the two games.

MY suggestion?

Give us 6-8 slots that we can fill with ANY squadmates who have survived to this point and let the game play out from there. No need for new characters and I'm pretty sure multiple characters can fill different roles in the same storytelling set-pieces. I.e. Liara would know things as the Shadow Broker that Kasumi could've chanced upon while working as a thief, Miranda could've found through old Cerebus connections, or Garrus got through an old C-Sec contanct.

In what way would restricting you to only have a few of them on your ship at a time make it any less work to write full dialogue and create and balance powers for all 17 of them?

Also, if they did this, you could kiss squad banter goodbye.

[implodinggoat]

wildannie wrote...

The problem I have with the squad is that it fails to represent a plausible squad for my Shepard. In particular neither Liara or Tali would be included.
Its all very well to have a smaller squad and deeper interactions the problem is that some players are not going to be as interested in the interactions with the squad that's been forced on them.

I have the same problem with Ashley or Kaiden.   I thought they were dull to begin with and after they called Shep a traitor on Horizon My Shep really wouldn't want them on his Ship.  And now they're taking up the spots of two potential squad members even though you can only use one or the other.  Throwing those two on the squad and skipping Miranda seems like a really weird decision to me.

If you're going to cut the focus to less characters then why the hell would you put the effort into developing two characters who can't even be in the same story together?

Modifié par implodinggoat, 19 janvier 2012 - 06:45 .

[DaJe]

Mass Effect 1 had 6 and I felt much more attached to them. There was more banter and I would pick equipment for them. I would also bring each one on missions much more often because there were not 50 of them.
In Mass Effect 2 you can play half the game and the whole connection to a significant part of your crew is just through the 1on1 dialogue you had with them on the ship (calibrations anyone?). Since they are not involved in your game on a regular basis they are all on the edge of becoming obsolete.

In Mass Effect 3 you will have some people on single missions in your team just like in LotSB. Effectively you will probably be on missions with just as many different people as in ME2 but by trimming down the possible matchups BioWare can give us more banter, that brings them to life, which is much better than the soulless bots you bring on ME2 missions. I do still hope there will be a regular Krogan squad mate. I don't feel good about leaving the meat shield role to a chracter that appears out of place in the Mass Effect universe and even worse is yet another human.

[wright1978]

implodinggoat wrote...

Trickybam wrote...

Bioware have said they wanted a smaller number of squad mates so they can concentrate on the characters and go more indepth.

also, and im not 100 % on this but ti think if Tali or Garrus died in ME2 they will be replaced by a diffirent character in ME3, so you would still have the same size squad

Nope,  if they're dead then you just have a smaller squad. 4 to 5 as opposed to 6 or 7.

Yep unfortunately they've gone for the deeply comic squad system. Get your entiire squad killed bar those 2 and get rewarded with 2 squaddies.

[N7Infiltrait0r]

Shub-Niggurath64 wrote...

N7Infiltrait0r wrote...

more is better, this is mass effect so even if they had 20 teammates to choose from then they would still have quality in all the characters.

Wrong.

That's your opinion, I on the other hand have more faith in Bioware then you apparently do.
I doubt Tali will be a teammate because the Reapers are here and she can't just turn her back on her people even for Shepard.

Also wrong. I like how you make baseless assumptions that go against all observable evidence.

My evidence is in Mass Effect one Tali says it herself and I quote "I could never turn my back on my people Shepard" end quote, not to mention that I said "I DOUBT" I did Not say she will not be in Mass Effect 3, definition of the word doubt - to think something MAY NOt be true or right: be unsure of: question.

[Reptillius]

Honestly. I have to say. we speculate on this alot... But don't be surprised if it is something more along the lines of.

2 to 3 Permanent Squad Members. Likely the VS, Vega, and Maybe the DLC character.

Several Mostly there Squad members. Including the LI's(at least the popular ones) and previous squad mates.

And rarely seen/one time/guest 4th squaddie's that are only really around for certain missions or certain smaller story arcs that fit into the main story.

[Vapaa]

I'm fine with the ME3 roaster...even more: it's the best ME roaster I've ever seen, of course it could have been better, but I find it great; most of my favourites are here and it's balanced for all my Shepards

Thanks Bioware !

[Shub-Niggurath64]

N7Infiltrait0r wrote...

Shub-Niggurath64 wrote...

I doubt Tali will be a teammate because the Reapers are here and she can't just turn her back on her people even for Shepard.

Also wrong. I like how you make baseless assumptions that go against all observable evidence.

My evidence is in Mass Effect one Tali says it herself and I quote "I could never turn my back on my people Shepard" end quote, not to mention that I said "I DOUBT" I did Not say she will not be in Mass Effect 3, definition of the word doubt - to think something MAY NOt be true or right: be unsure of: question.

Joining Shepard =/= turning her back on her people. It sure didn't in ME2, and it isn't now. Also, dev statements, the leaked script, and released ME3 screenshots all show that she is in fact a squadmate.

[Rasputin17]

I think there has to be some more characters avaiable. Right now most of the characters are from Mass Effect. Many PS3 users have only played ME2 and it will turn them off that none of their favorite characters are back except Garrus. He is cool but I don't like to use him in combat.

[N7Infiltrait0r]

Shub-Niggurath64 wrote...

N7Infiltrait0r wrote...

Shub-Niggurath64 wrote...

I doubt Tali will be a teammate because the Reapers are here and she can't just turn her back on her people even for Shepard.

Also wrong. I like how you make baseless assumptions that go against all observable evidence.

My evidence is in Mass Effect one Tali says it herself and I quote "I could never turn my back on my people Shepard" end quote, not to mention that I said "I DOUBT" I did Not say she will not be in Mass Effect 3, definition of the word doubt - to think something MAY NOt be true or right: be unsure of: question.

Joining Shepard =/= turning her back on her people. It sure didn't in ME2, and it isn't now. Also, dev statements, the leaked script, and released ME3 screenshots all show that she is in fact a squadmate.

ah well iv not read any script didnt wont any potential spoilers and the only screen shots i can find has Garrus, Liara, Kaiden, Ashley or James Vega in them

[Rasputin17]

I think there has to be a few more squad members available at least through DLC. Most of the current roster is from Mass Effect, I imagine this might turn off PS3 users who were only able to develop relationships with characters from ME2. So, just from a marketing perspective would it not make more sense to have options from both?

[AgitatedLemon]

I know this isn't going to happen, but I still feel it's a decent idea, even if it would require more work.

After you help Character X with their personal mission sets and they have nothing to do, you could ask them if they'd want to join on as a crew member and squadmate.

@Rasputin. Yeah, but it's also an opportunity for PS3 players to connect with the ME1 cast. Namely, the VS and Wrex (If he lived).

[Vapaa]

Rasputin17 wrote...

I think there has to be a few more squad members available at least through DLC. Most of the current roster is from Mass Effect, I imagine this might turn off PS3 users who were only able to develop relationships with characters from ME2. So, just from a marketing perspective would it not make more sense to have options from both?

PS3 players will deal with it

[Bobrzy]

implodinggoat wrote...
Rumored ME3 Squad.
Ashley or Kaiden.
Tali.
Garrus.
Liara.
James Vega.
Spoiler Character.
Collector's Edition DLC Character.

So that practically seals "the deal" with Garrus being bisexual. Considering amount of characters in your squad, i think it's now clear, glad we got it straight.

For me, lack of Krogan on board is blasphemous. I was hoping for Wrex, or even Grunt, but this... i'm SO ANGRY i want to tear apart whole Normandy. I would sacrifice Tali and Liara just to get one Krogan permanent squad member. In ME1, i always chose Garrus and Wrex for every mission, in ME2 i switched to Garrus and Grunt (except for loyalty missions, of course), and now, i don't have a Krogan at all. Half of the fun that came from squad members is taken away.

Thanks Bioware.

[AgitatedLemon]

What does Garrus being on the squad have to do with him being bisexual?

[JeffZero]

Lmao. What the hell, BioWare Social Network.

Modifié par JeffZero, 19 janvier 2012 - 07:19 .

[Bobrzy]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

What does Garrus being on the squad have to do with him being bisexual?

There was a lot of speculations about what characters will be Bi. If the squad was bigger, there was an option that only some of them will be available for SS romances, but if this small squad roster is true, then there isn't too many options to select them, they will just make all of them bisexual. After DA2 i thought that won't be a surprise.

Modifié par Bobrzy, 19 janvier 2012 - 07:19 .

[JeffZero]

You're utterly wrong, too.