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[Daeel]

I played a renegade character and all through out the playthrough Samara is going on about as soon as the mission is over she "may" have to kill me. Why in all that is holy would I let an obvious enemy live? Especially when I can get her hotter, younger equally as strong Daughter. It just makes no sense to keep her alive.


Plus there are a lot of advantages to having a secret Ardat-Yakshi that is only loyal to me on my side. Tactics wise, Morinth is just superior. Samara is just too stringent in her morals, she can't be used when it comes to hard decisions.

Last thing I need is some justicar assassin chasing me all over the galaxy during a REAPER INVASION.

Modifié par Daeel, 19 janvier 2012 - 07:39 .

[BatmanPWNS]

She "may" and if you read the leaks then you would have nothing to worry about.

[AgitatedLemon]

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Amazing?

[Daeel]

Well sorry. My Shepard doesn't have a time machine to blast off into the future to check if one of his squadmates want to kill him.

Simple logic. She is a threat, I got an opportunity to get rid of her. I took it.


No spoilers please.

[Shub-Niggurath64]

How is Morinth hotter? They look exactly the same. That's why Morinth can pose as Samara on your crew.

[Daeel]

Shub-Niggurath64 wrote...

How is Morinth hotter? They look exactly the same. That's why Morinth can pose as Samara on your crew.

She is younger, ergo = hotter.

[Medhia Nox]

"only loyal to me on my side." - that's pleasantly delusional.

"too stringent in her morals" - a moral structure which leaves room for throwing it away (which is what she does when she joins Shepard). isn't "stringent" 

Anyone who calls Samara a "zealot" or "morally inflexible" has no concept what it is to be, or be exposed to, either of those mentalities. It's the modern feel good "liberal" that needs a serious ass kicking for some perspective.

We're told Morinth could have practiced self-control if she wanted to... but instead, she gives into her base urges - her "addictions" - she's far more "morally inflexible" than Samara.She does have a morality - as base as it is - and she does not deviate it, even for Shepard (as shown if Shepard tries to romance her) 

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 19 janvier 2012 - 07:41 .

[AgitatedLemon]

To be completely fair, Morinth is also a serial killer who gets more powerful every kill.

After killing Samara, there's nothing to stop her from attempting to kill Shepard again, aside from her word.

@D3MON-

That too.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 19 janvier 2012 - 07:42 .

[Daeel]

Medhia Nox wrote...

"only loyal to me on my side." - that's pleasantly delusional.

Shepard killed her mother and saved her life. Plus knows about the whole sex overload thing. Morinth is completely loyal to Shepard for all those reasons and obviously has no other allies.

"too stringent in her morals" - a moral structure which leaves room for throwing it away (which is what she does when she joins Shepard).

She takes some "oath" that allows her to overlook my transgressions for the time being. That is not her 'throwing' away her morals. She's simplying biding her time, waiting until the mission is over. Then she'll probably go all crazy Justicar and try to off Shepard.

Anyone who calls Samara a "zealot" or "morally inflexible" has no concept what it is to be, or be exposed to, either of those mentalities. It's the modern feel good "liberal" that needs a serious ass kicking for some perspective.

I've not labelled her such but.. the shoe does fit. When my Shepard was recruiting her she was just going off with a bunch of ccrazy hippy nonsense about morals and her code and nonsense only a zealot would say. Then she does some sort of religious ritual to 'make sure' she doesn't kill Shepard before the ritual is over. How is that not a fundamentalist?

We're told Morinth could have practiced self-control if she wanted to... but instead, she gives into her base urges - her "addictions" - she's far more "morally inflexible" than Samara.

I don't bregrudge Morinth. Honestly, the whole locking up her children in some place secluded from everyone else is kind of silly. Of course you would want to escape.

[Daeel]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

To be completely fair, Morinth is also a serial killer who gets more powerful every kill.

After killing Samara, there's nothing to stop her from attempting to kill Shepard again, aside from her word.

@D3MON-

That too.

The risk is higher with Samara. Who obviously wants to kill Shepard and has consent to do so. 

[Gaseous Shepard]

I've always wanted to kill Samara, but never had the option. I guess my renegade score was too low (only got to about 85%)

I'm taking a new ME1 renegade save to see, if I can make it happen.

I got to have Morinth in at least one ME3 playthrough (though it may not matter).

[Daeel]

renegade score shouldn't matter.

[Shub-Niggurath64]

Daeel wrote...

renegade score shouldn't matter.

It does; you need enough to be able to overcome her mind-control type powers. If you can't do that, you choose Samara automatically.

[FlyinElk212]

Not only that OP, but Morinth had the opportunity to be one of the most interesting characters in the game. She's the only one stuck in this situation, posing as someone else while trying to keep her murderous tendencies in check, and had so much more room for character development than did Samara, who's much more wizened and towards the end of her life anyway.

Morinth really strikes me as this awesome idea that Bioware came up with at the last second, and decided to implement even though they didn't have a lot of time to flesh out the character.

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 19 janvier 2012 - 08:05 .

[Medhia Nox]

@Daeel: Of course it's silly to lock your psychopath children up... I would have simply drown them. There's no "maybe" with these monsters - there's only "when" - and for a race that lives as long as the Asari does, that's a lot of "when".

And Samara already f-ed up by having these kids in the first place. Animals kill off or let die many "runts" and "bad seeds" in their litters.

She could have saved everyone a lot of trouble - hold that against her if you want, not the fact that she's trying to fix her mistake way WAY too late.

[PMC65]

Good luck with that in ME3! 

Sidenote: I had to laugh on the "She is younger, ergo = hotter" part.
 

[Daeel]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Daeel: Of course it's silly to lock your psychopath children up... I would have simply drown them. There's no "maybe" with these monsters - there's only "when" - and for a race that lives as long as the Asari does, that's a lot of "when".

And Samara already f-ed up by having these kids in the first place. Animals kill off or let die many "runts" and "bad seeds" in their litters.

She could have saved everyone a lot of trouble - hold that against her if you want, not the fact that she's trying to fix her mistake way WAY too late.

well they weren't psychopathic, they could just kill people with their sex. I agree with you about Samara flubbing it up. Waited far too long to react.

[AgitatedLemon]

Actually Morinth was a psychopath.

Out of the 3 children Samara birthed, Morinth was the smartest and strongest, but she was also unstable.

Her sisters weren't, and they agreed to live in prison.

One hell of a catch-22.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 19 janvier 2012 - 08:16 .

[Daeel]

I think we are perverting the meaning of psychopath.

Simply seeking freedom is not psychopathic.

[Daeel]

Shub-Niggurath64 wrote...

Daeel wrote...

renegade score shouldn't matter.

It does; you need enough to be able to overcome her mind-control type powers. If you can't do that, you choose Samara automatically.

Really? That's quite interesting. In every playthrough I've had the option has been there. Even my more.. Renegon ones.

Modifié par Daeel, 19 janvier 2012 - 08:29 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Obvious troll is obvious?

However, apart from your obvious logic fail (if your actions would result in a hostile response from a knight templar, don't recruit any knights templar) there's more subtle issue there:

Samara is just too stringent in her morals, she can't be used when it comes to hard decisions.

Samara's morals, at that point in the story, are "Shepard is right". She'll give you a month's notice (or whatever) before turning on you, at which point Shepard can be prepared or can have pre-emptively killed her (being not bound by such a code).
Morinth, on the other hand, is a wild card; there's no way to known if, or rather when, she'll turn on you.

Oh, and given her death-seeking behaviour (expressed in her unwillingness, or inability, to lie low on Omega knowing fully well how close Samara was, I wouldn't have been surprised if she had made a move before beating the Collectors.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 19 janvier 2012 - 08:25 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Daeel wrote...

I think we are perverting the meaning of psychopath.

Simply seeking freedom is not psychopathic.

Seeking freedom, no, but she was "addicted" to killing, so to speak.

For example, she brainwashed an entire town of people and made them sacrifice their daughters to her, like a cult would do for their god.

[android654]

You keep people around because they're hotter? Even if they're a carbon copy of the person you killed them for? Interesting...

I got Morinth because Adama is a serial killer that fell through the military's cracks, she feared Samara would try to exact some justice in the future so she rectified this by removing her first.

[nelly21]

Daeel wrote...

I think we are perverting the meaning of psychopath.

Simply seeking freedom is not psychopathic.

Actually, Morinth is the very definition of a psychopath. She lacks emotion, remorse for her actions and is a liar.She may claim to "seek freedom" but that isn't what drives her. She is addicticted to empowerment she receives from killing her mates and continues in this vein to satisfy said addiction.

So yeah, she is a poster child for psychopathy.

Looking at it from a tactical perspective, it would be idiotic to trust a wild card like Morinth over a skilled and far more stable Samara. But this is a game. So do whatever you want dude. Let us know what changes in ME 3.