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[Shotokanguy]

Daeel wrote...

I played a renegade character and all through out the playthrough Samara is going on about as soon as the mission is over she "may" have to kill me. Why in all that is holy would I let an obvious enemy live? Especially when I can get her hotter, younger equally as strong Daughter. It just makes no sense to keep her alive.

I would like to try a playthrough where I help Morinth. My Paragon will obviously side with Samara. I want to experience as many different branches of the story as I can.

Samara stating her intentions for Shepard are the only justification I can make for helping Morinth, however, and as far as I remember, Samara will only really say anything along the lines of "I should kill you, Shepard" in a conversation after her loyalty mission.

Please, state the things Samara was saying "all throughout" your playthrough.

[notsoavragejoe]

I think that no matter what, killing Samara is an overall bad choice.

[PMC65]

Shotokanguy wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I played a renegade character and all through out the playthrough Samara is going on about as soon as the mission is over she "may" have to kill me. Why in all that is holy would I let an obvious enemy live? Especially when I can get her hotter, younger equally as strong Daughter. It just makes no sense to keep her alive.

I would like to try a playthrough where I help Morinth. My Paragon will obviously side with Samara. I want to experience as many different branches of the story as I can.

Samara stating her intentions for Shepard are the only justification I can make for helping Morinth, however, and as far as I remember, Samara will only really say anything along the lines of "I should kill you, Shepard" in a conversation after her loyalty mission.

Please, state the things Samara was saying "all throughout" your playthrough.

One of my struggles in saving Morinth is that all of my Shepard's care about their crew.

Not one of my Shepards would ever bring a creature that can seduce and then kill her prey the way she does on to the Normandy. Look at the crew, every one of them would be a candy bar to Morinth and the fact that you are not only bringing her onboard but you are also disguising her as Samara? ... No.

Then EW Shepard already is not a fan of the whole mind meld so this takes that to the very next level of "dear Bacchus ... my worst fear in living color." 

Saving Morinth fit none of my Shepards ... who knows, maybe down the road I will create a Shepard that this decision would make sense but for now ... Samara lives.

I just keep reading this thread to see if someone has a way that they RP saving her that makes sense to a certain type of Shepard but so far - nothing.

[Quething]

Shotokanguy wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I played a renegade character and all through out the playthrough Samara is going on about as soon as the mission is over she "may" have to kill me. Why in all that is holy would I let an obvious enemy live? Especially when I can get her hotter, younger equally as strong Daughter. It just makes no sense to keep her alive.

I would like to try a playthrough where I help Morinth. My Paragon will obviously side with Samara. I want to experience as many different branches of the story as I can.

Samara stating her intentions for Shepard are the only justification I can make for helping Morinth, however, and as far as I remember, Samara will only really say anything along the lines of "I should kill you, Shepard" in a conversation after her loyalty mission.

Please, state the things Samara was saying "all throughout" your playthrough.

I too would like to hear these statements. To the best of my recollection, and my recollection is pretty good, Samara says things that threaten Shepard exactly twice.

The first time, when you recruit her, she says "If you make me do anything dishonorable, I'll have to kill you."

Shep never makes Samara do anything. This isn't KotOR with Zaalbar choking Mission to death against his will, here. Samara shoots people who are trying to shoot you, and that's it. Renegade Shep does all her own dirty work and is in no danger from Samara whatsoever based on that statement.

The second time is in her final conversation. She tells a Renegade Shepard "I hope we never meet again, because if we do, I'd have to kill you." Once again, you're actually in basically no danger here. She's telling you flat-out that you're her friend and she doesn't want to kill you; and that because her Code would compel her to under certain circumstances, she's going to try to avoid those circumstances in the future. Which ought to be damn easy for her. It's a big galaxy and Shep is not subtle or difficult to locate.

But even if you're a completely risk-averse RenShep and take that "if we were to meet again I'd have to kill you" as a dangerous threat, it doesn't happen until after you've chosen her over Morinth.

[D.Kain]

Kmead15 wrote...

I'm not sure why you think attracting Morinth would be that difficult. Samara had a pretty good handle on what her daughter looked for in a partner, and she fit the description. Catching her eye the first time wouldn't be that difficult. She was dancing at the time, and even Shepard's dancing helps attract Morinth. My guess is she had a working set of legs and her clothes made her look bangable.

So how would Shepard attract Morinth if he was all shy at the club? Samara told Shepard to act exactly like what Nef wasn't.

[D.Kain]

SinnSly wrote...

I don't see how Morinth being younger makes her hotter....
That just sounds pervy and sick to me o-o'

Totally! Men that prefer a 24 year old girl insted of 44 year old are pervy and sick. 

[D.Kain]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Samara had been hunting Morinth for hundreds of years and only during the mission was she able to catch her (if you chose Samara). I would hardly say that "Samara is easier to control." Morinth is impossible to control, in fact, and her loyalty could just as easily wear off. There is a possibility of engaging in mind melding with Morinth, which can kill Shepard: her loyalty runs away the moment she's given the chance to do this. Morinth likes power, and Shepard is powerful and can protect her, but that's not enough to stop her. If it came down to it, Morinth would kill Shepard.

Morinth doesn't need to be controled. She is not a slave, she is there because she chose to, because she was greatful. Morinth doesn't want to kill Shepard.

[D.Kain]

FoxHound109 wrote...

More of an educated guess, really. Samara tells you that Morinth's condition is not only dangerous, but it can become addicting. Morinth has been killing victims for ages by the time you meet her, and her sole purpose seems to be to dominate, control, and kill. You can see this when she tries to convince Shepard to tell her that he/she will do anything for her right before Samara enters the room. There's no solid proof that Morinth enjoys killing, but the narrative of the game is telling you she does, her past actions support this idea, and her actions during Samara's side mission do as well. It's a pretty safe bet.

No she doesn't. Samara has a very specific code. If people break it, they're fair game. Samara even goes out of her way to tell Shepard that she does not like to find out information about her targets because she wants no personal feelings involved in her duties. It has nothing to do with what Samara thinks and everything to do with the code she follows. Whether the code is right or wrong is a whole different matter.

I really don't care that much for what Samara tells me. I am not going to use her words as an evidence. While she doesn't have to lie on purpose, she doesn't really know everything, and her judgement sucks. Morinth saw Shepard as another dark clubing idiot at first. I also agree that Morinth enjoys killing on a physical level, that is her biology, I am not sure she enjoys it mentally.

Yes she does. Samara IS her code. That was exactly what I meant, she kills whatever her code demands. Not involving feeling in duties is a bad idea, because things are not black and white, and one should get into the situation for a better judgement. 

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

We do not know if Morinth kills people because she likes to kill people or not. Speculation.

More of an educated guess, really.

Not really. Morinth herself implies that she does.

- Shepard, I LOVE killing people! 

[D.Kain]

PMC65 wrote...

One of my struggles in saving Morinth is that all of my Shepard's care about their crew.

Not one of my Shepards would ever bring a creature that can seduce and then kill her prey the way she does on to the Normandy. Look at the crew, every one of them would be a candy bar to Morinth and the fact that you are not only bringing her onboard but you are also disguising her as Samara? ... No.

Then EW Shepard already is not a fan of the whole mind meld so this takes that to the very next level of "dear Bacchus ... my worst fear in living color." 

Saving Morinth fit none of my Shepards ... who knows, maybe down the road I will create a Shepard that this decision would make sense but for now ... Samara lives.

I just keep reading this thread to see if someone has a way that they RP saving her that makes sense to a certain type of Shepard but so far - nothing.

Well I trusted Morinth to not mess with my crew. And what do you know? She never messed with them. Also I would love for her to NOT pose as Samara, and be open with everyone about her reqruitment.

Also I don't even need to roleplay to save Morinth. Saving Morinth would be MY choice if I was in ME for real. And I think the reasons are plenty in this thread.

[Jarif]

did'nt male Shep and Liara have physical sex in cut scene in ME1 ?

Kasumi and Zaieed both have same story of saving an 8yr old girl from slavers from Omega, anyone else find this a bit too "Cerberus"?, as in the autistic kid that escaped and hid on the Migrant Fleet. p.s. No Merc takes on a suicide mission period!

Regarding safe sex with Morinth just put a bag on her head and doggy that Yakshi azz.....

[Kmead15]

D.Kain wrote...

Kmead15 wrote...

I'm not sure why you think attracting Morinth would be that difficult. Samara had a pretty good handle on what her daughter looked for in a partner, and she fit the description. Catching her eye the first time wouldn't be that difficult. She was dancing at the time, and even Shepard's dancing helps attract Morinth. My guess is she had a working set of legs and her clothes made her look bangable.

So how would Shepard attract Morinth if he was all shy at the club? Samara told Shepard to act exactly like what Nef wasn't.

Yeah, everyone knows shy people never dance under any circumstances. I also hear there's nothing at Afterlife that can lower a shy person's inhibitions. The bartender is only there so the patrons can order warm milk and cookies.

Once Morinth noticed her that first time, Nef being a driven artist who is isolated from her peers seems like it would have sealed the deal. Sure, she's also meek, but Morinth has admitted to having other suitors whose personality didn't perfectly match her ideal.

[D.Kain]

Kmead15 wrote...

Yeah, everyone knows shy people never dance under any circumstances. I also hear there's nothing at Afterlife that can lower a shy person's inhibitions. The bartender is only there so the patrons can order warm milk and cookies.

Once Morinth noticed her that first time, Nef being a driven artist who is isolated from her peers seems like it would have sealed the deal. Sure, she's also meek, but Morinth has admitted to having other suitors whose personality didn't perfectly match her ideal.

But it's still a lonely attractive girl on Omega. She would end up banging with someone in the club in no time, without her even wanting to. She would attract a pack of wolves while Morinth was still checking her out.

[ReallyRue]

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

We do not know if Morinth kills people because she likes to kill people or not. Speculation.

More of an educated guess, really.

Not really. Morinth herself implies that she does.

- Shepard, I LOVE killing people! 

Doesn't she have a line along the lines of "I love the expression in an enemies eyes when he knows you're better and he's going to die."  Which is not outright sociopathic, but it does suggest she enjoys it. I'm sure there are others too. She seems perfectly happy to kill Samara too, whilst Samara was clearly upset after she kills Morinth.

[FFinfinity1]

Honestly I i only saved morinth to put her in my fail thru, basically i made all of the wrong decisions and she along with kasumi(and her greybox) survived the SM.

[Unpleasant Implications]

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

People may or may not make happy faces when they orgasm but at least they don't drop dead afterwords.

That is different and that was not an intended outcome...

Pure speculation at it's finest.

[D.Kain]

ReallyRue wrote...

Doesn't she have a line along the lines of "I love the expression in an enemies eyes when he knows you're better and he's going to die."  Which is not outright sociopathic, but it does suggest she enjoys it. I'm sure there are others too. She seems perfectly happy to kill Samara too, whilst Samara was clearly upset after she kills Morinth.

Yes, no reread what you have just posted. That's right, in the ENEMIES eyes. I bet she loved killing Samara, and everyone else who pissed her off. She was not talking about "victims". Wanting someone who wants you dead, to be dead, if perfectly fine in my book.

[D.Kain]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

People may or may not make happy faces when they orgasm but at least they don't drop dead afterwords.

That is different and that was not an intended outcome...

Pure speculation at it's finest.

But of course Morinth wanted to kill Shepard! She was running away from Samara clinging to her life for 400 years, just to throw her life away on a suicide mission, when she was free to leave or kill Shepard right there and then in her appartment, for a chance to MAYBE seduce Shepard latter,so that EDI opens an airlock for her after Shepards death. *sigh* <_<

[ObserverStatus]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

She "may" and if you read the leaks then you would have nothing to worry about.

But for those of us who don't use spoilers for the purpose of retroactive continuity in our playthroughs...

Modifié par bobobo878, 22 janvier 2012 - 02:04 .

[Unpleasant Implications]

D.Kain wrote...

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

People may or may not make happy faces when they orgasm but at least they don't drop dead afterwords.

That is different and that was not an intended outcome...

Pure speculation at it's finest.

But of course Morinth wanted to kill Shepard! She was running away from Samara clinging to her life for 400 years, just to throw her life away on a suicide mission, when she was free to leave or kill Shepard right there and then in her appartment, for a chance to MAYBE seduce Shepard latter,so that EDI opens an airlock for her after Shepards death. *sigh* <_<

Morinth enjoys entrapment. Waiting and luring her prey into a false sense of security and then going in for the kill. Listen to her dialogue while in her apartment. It's rather obvious. And EDI can't open an airlock unless she wants to risk the rest of the crew.

[D.Kain]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Morinth enjoys entrapment. Waiting and luring her prey into a false sense of security and then going in for the kill. Listen to her dialogue while in her apartment. It's rather obvious. And EDI can't open an airlock unless she wants to risk the rest of the crew.

DUDE! I've been through Morinth's mission and dialogues more times than I started a new game. Killing Shepard on the Normandy is not entrapment it is a plain suicide, I repeat - Morinth killing Shepard on the Normandy = Morinth taking a gun to her head. It was a gamble for Shepards life and her life. She is a dare devil, not a suicidal person. Edi can open whatever she wants sealing the right doors, unless other crew members won't take care of Morinth. And if Morinth slaughters them all, Edi WILL open an airlock. Morinth is even on a different floor from Joker. Come on, think.