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[Unpleasant Implications]

D.Kain wrote...

Look. The crew knew about Samara's loyalty mission. They all knew that Shepard went to Omega to deal with Morinth. They knew what Morinth did, as implied by Joker.

 If we're going by Joker's basic understanding, then they have a very, very basic idea of Morinth's capabilities. Besides, autopsys take time to investigate and create. Time where the crew would be distracted. Time where Morinth could escape.

They would know what happened to Shepard, they have no love for Samara.

Who said that?

What you are basically saying is that a crew member could kill Shepard and get away with it.

No, I'm not. I'm saying Morinth could get away with it.

No that is not how it works.

We can't know how it works. It fades to black after Shepard's death.

 I do not think that what you suggest is a possible outcome of the situation.

I'm well aware of that.

Modifié par Unpleasant Implications, 22 janvier 2012 - 04:29 .

[D.Kain]

[quote]Unpleasant Implications wrote...  
[quote]D.Kain wrote...
They would know what happened to Shepard, they have no love for Samara.[/quote]
Who said that?
[quote]

Because most of them don't have love for each other in general. Shepard is a link that connects most of the crew. 

[quote]Unpleasant Implications wrote...  
[quote]D.Kain wrote... 
What you are basically saying is that a crew member could kill Shepard and get away with it. [/quote]
No, I'm not. I'm saying Morinth could get away with it.
[quote]

How is Morinth different? How is it possible for Shepard to completely randomly die in "Samaras" room. You tell me, how one would interpret that, what will "Samara" say? Who would believe her? Who approves her code? 
Kasumi is standing there saying: This is Morinth! Kelly/Joker/Grunt - Yep she was akting strange...

[quote]Unpleasant Implications wrote...  
[quote]D.Kain wrote.. 
No that is not how it works.[/quote]
We can't know how it works. It fades to black after Shepard's death.
[quote] 

Yes and then you think what will happen.

[quote]Unpleasant Implications wrote...  
[quote]D.Kain wrote...  
 I do not think that what you suggest is a possible outcome of the situation.[/quote]
I'm well aware of that.
[/quote] 

Good. 

Omg, what a mess with quotes, sry... 

Modifié par D.Kain, 22 janvier 2012 - 04:38 .

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

You don't know what imply means do you?

She never implied that towards people that meant her no harm. And of course you probably are talking about her quotes when you look through her appartment now do you? 

[Unpleasant Implications]

[quote]D.Kain wrote...

[quote]Unpleasant Implications wrote...  
[quote]D.Kain wrote...
They would know what happened to Shepard, they have no love for Samara.[/quote]
Who said that?
[/quote]
Because most of them don't have love for each other in general. Shepard is a link that connects most of the crew.[/quote] 
Kelly speaks to the crew off-screen. How do we know that they don't do the same thing with eachother?

[quote]D.Kain wrote...
[quote]Unpleasant Implications wrote...  
[quote]D.Kain wrote... 
What you are basically saying is that a crew member could kill Shepard and get away with it. [/quote]
No, I'm not. I'm saying Morinth could get away with it.[/quote]
How is Morinth different? How is it possible for Shepard to completely randomly die in "Samara's" room. You tell me, how one would interpret that, what will "Samara" say? Who would believe her? Who approves her code? 
Kasumi is standing there saying: This is Morinth! Kelly/Joker/Grunt - Yep she was akting strange...[/quote]

Morinth is different in that people believe she is the completely loyal to her code Justicar Samara. That, and the only one who truly understands the Ardat-Yakshi defect is Samara. They don't understand exactly what will happen. That, along with the fact that only three people believe Samara is simply acting diffently after her loyalty mission. One(Kasumi) actually knows. It will take time to sink in that a) Shepard betrayed one of his teammates under the guise of helping them and to completely connect the dots after overcoming the disbelief that Shepard
would betray someone who completely voxed to follow his morals for a debateably(not sure if word or proper spelling but you get it) psychopathic murderer.

[quote]D.Kain wrote...
[quote]Unpleasant Implications wrote...  
[quote]D.Kain wrote.. 
No that is not how it works.[/quote]
We can't know how it works. It fades to black after Shepard's death.
[/quote] 

Yes and then you think what will happen.[/quote]
Yes, because that's all we can do.
[quote]D.Kain wrote...
[quote]Unpleasant Implications wrote...  
[quote]D.Kain wrote...  
 I do not think that what you suggest is a possible outcome of the situation.[/quote]
I'm well aware of that.
[/quote] 

Good. 

Omg, what a mess with quotes, sry... [/quote]
No prob, I probably just made it worse anyhoo.

Modifié par Unpleasant Implications, 22 janvier 2012 - 05:01 .

[Unpleasant Implications]

Wow, that looks worse than I thought. BSN either needs easier formatting, or I need better formatting skills.


edit: That's better!

Modifié par Unpleasant Implications, 22 janvier 2012 - 04:59 .

[D.Kain]

I will just post a new reply. So.

Yeah I believe crew members interact with each other. I just think that some of them like Samara are pretty isolated and they care mostly for Shepard, because he is the Good guy Gred that helps them all with all their troubles. I mean I made completed all of my other crew members loyalty missions, even they way that THEY would prefer me to completele them. My Shepard was an outstanding buddy to everyone, and disliked Samara. The crew would understand Shepard choosing Morinth instead of Samara, because he didn't betray THEM, he was a good friend to them, and he has the right to dislike some of the crew members, and not treat them the same, or to consider them bad crew members and get rid of them. Just what I am saying is that with his actions he would have pissed off any of my crew members. I would actually be upfront with Morinth and tell everyone that she is the new squadmate. 

Then again they would probably get upset, and as I said, what kind of excuse can one dream up about Shepard dying in their room? Why was Edi turned off? 4 crew members that say that something is wrong with Samara is not a small number. Kasumi as Shepards buddy would just probably think that Morinth dominated him at last, and would want revenge. There is no place Morinth can go in SPACE. Right? 

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Look. The crew knew about Samara's loyalty mission. They all knew that Shepard went to Omega to deal with Morinth. They knew what Morinth did, as implied by Joker. They would know what happened to Shepard, they have no love for Samara.

Making stuff up again? 

Noo... There are way too many crew members that Samara would kill according to her code.

[BlueMagitek]

She has bound herself to Shepard, which temporarily supersedes her code.

[D.Kain]

BlueMagitek wrote...

She has bound herself to Shepard, which temporarily supersedes her code.

Awesome point! With Shepard dead, Samara would go on a killing rampage on the Normandy. And Jreezy that is to your "no ill" too.

Modifié par D.Kain, 22 janvier 2012 - 05:10 .

[Unpleasant Implications]

D.Kain wrote...

I will just post a new reply. So.

Yeah I believe crew members interact with each other. I just think that some of them like Samara are pretty isolated and they care mostly for Shepard, because he is the Good guy Gred that helps them all with all their troubles.

If we base our debate on what we "just think" it'll never end.
 

I mean I made completed all of my other crew members loyalty missions, even they way that THEY would prefer me to completele them.

They ask you because you're the commander and captain of the ship, and therefore choose the destinations.

My Shepard was an outstanding buddy to everyone, and disliked Samara. The crew would understand Shepard choosing Morinth instead of Samara, because he didn't betray THEM, he was a good friend to them, and he has the right to dislike some of the crew members, and not treat them the same, or to consider them bad crew members and get rid of them.

The crew would understand you betraying and killing one of them simply because you acted friendly towards them. Your crew is very trustworthy of someone so... underhanded.
 

Just what I am saying is that with his actions he would have pissed off any of my crew members. I would actually be upfront with Morinth and tell everyone that she is the new squadmate.

You're honest, I respect that, but we can't base points on what we would do if we were Shepard. Only on what happened in game.

Then again they would probably get upset, and as I said, what kind of excuse can one dream up about Shepard dying in their room?

 A rather convincing one, if merely distracting for the time being

Why was Edi turned off?

A better question is, why doesn't EDI notice and act on this herself?

4 crew members that say that something is wrong with Samara is not a small number. Kasumi as Shepards buddy would just probably think that Morinth dominated him at last, and would want revenge.

Instantly point blame at a fellow crew member or get the Commander to the med-bay. Which one would take precedence? We don't know, we're not the writers.

There is no place Morinth can go in SPACE. Right? 

Escape pods. Gotta love em.

Modifié par Unpleasant Implications, 22 janvier 2012 - 05:34 .

[BlueMagitek]

D.Kain wrote...

Awesome point! With Shepard dead, Samara would go on a killing rampage on the Normandy. And Jreezy that is to your "no ill" too.

Given that her Code contains exceptions a Justicar can grant on a situation if they so choose, I find that to be completely wild & baseless nonsense. 

[D.Kain]

@Unpleasant Implications

We do not have enough information to support any point of view completely, so we just have to use our head. And yes everyone use is a little differently, that is why the last argument on the same subject went for 100+ pages.

I got pretty intimate and friendly with my crew. Every person also acts differently towards other people. The crew would notice that I despise Samara. If my friend treats someone like crap, that doesn't nececeryly mean that he would treat me the same, everyone have favorites and trusts. The crew goes bad on Morinth/Samara in any situation, either because it is Morinth and she killed Shepard, and they would think that she dominated, and raped, and that their good buddy Shepard miscalculated, or because Shepard distrusted Samara and here she is killed him. 

Yeah, you can still think how Morinth would get out of that one, and explain what happened. 

The thing is everyone would have plenty time. They are in the middle of space. They would take Shepard to Chakwas AND question Morinth AND those that know what is going in will have the time to tell everyone, and they would be afraid of Samara cracking their skulls because Shepard isn't alive anymore to hold her code againsts mercs, and assassins, and psychos. 

Edi controlls the whole ship, a full control AI. She can shut any door, any airlock, stop the elevator, shut the pods. If Morinth somehow hacked ( don't know how ) a pod, that would be a horrible idea, because that would automaticaly imply that she killed Shepard and is trying to get away, the pod would be shot down by the Normany.

As for EDI not noticing the room, no idea. Either 1) Plothole. 2) Morinth is such a master that EDI thinks everything is okay with the monitoring, and just nothing happens.

[D.Kain]

BlueMagitek wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Awesome point! With Shepard dead, Samara would go on a killing rampage on the Normandy. And Jreezy that is to your "no ill" too.

Given that her Code contains exceptions a Justicar can grant on a situation if they so choose, I find that to be completely wild & baseless nonsense. 

Riight. Samara always makes exeptions for everyone.  No she would act upon her code if her oath with Shepard is finished. And the code demands her to kill the outlaws that are part of the Normandy crew. 

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

She has bound herself to Shepard, which temporarily supersedes her code.

Awesome point! With Shepard dead, Samara would go on a killing rampage on the Normandy. And Jreezy that is to your "no ill" too.

No she wouldn't. Coming up with fanfiction in order to suit your argument doesn't work. 

YOU are coming up with a fiction. WHY wouldn't she? Where did her code suddenly go? 

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...
Nowhere. 

So she will act upon it. The targets are infront of her. She is not the one to make sense, she is a machine with a code.

Modifié par D.Kain, 22 janvier 2012 - 06:06 .

[PMC65]

D.Kain wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Awesome point! With Shepard dead, Samara would go on a killing rampage on the Normandy. And Jreezy that is to your "no ill" too.

Given that her Code contains exceptions a Justicar can grant on a situation if they so choose, I find that to be completely wild & baseless nonsense. 

Riight. Samara always makes exeptions for everyone.  No she would act upon her code if her oath with Shepard is finished. And the code demands her to kill the outlaws that are part of the Normandy crew. 

DK ... Samara's code is to protect the innocent. If any of the crew killed an innocent then she would by her code be compelled to kill them. So the question would be ... which team mate did Samara see kill an innocent? That person would be at risk, but I can't remember anything like that happening.

[BlueMagitek]

D.Kain wrote...


Riight. Samara always makes exeptions for everyone.  No she would act upon her code if her oath with Shepard is finished. And the code demands her to kill the outlaws that are part of the Normandy crew. 

She made an exception for the cop by giving her a day instead of breaking out instantly. 

Considering that going on a rampage would almost certainly result in damaged innocents, which Samara cannot allow (see Nihlius story), the logical way to follow the code would be to request to be let off at their next stop, or, if she wanted to go straight to demanding justice, Omega or Tuch... the Krogan homeworld.