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[MACharlie1]

I believe her oath to Shepard technically puts her code on a "defer to Shepard" sort of case...how many times does Samara NOT kill someone who really should have been?

- Ronald Taylor - I can't imagine her code allows rape or forced consumption of toxic food
- Harkin - Dirty cop ("She'd defend an honest cop but fight to the death a hundred dirty cops")

[D.Kain]

PMC65 wrote...

DK ... Samara's code is to protect the innocent. If any of the crew killed an innocent then she would by her code be compelled to kill them. So the question would be ... which team mate did Samara see kill an innocent? That person would be at risk, but I can't remember anything like that happening.

The crew knows eachothers backgrounds. And Samara's code goes deeper than just innocents. She goes as far as to say that she will kill krogan that make their varren fight. It is a cerberus ship. She works for Shepard not for cerberus. Cerberus must be dealt with as a criminal organisation ( Miranda, Jacob, crew ), Thane assassin, Kasumi thief, Zaeed merc, Jack killed plenty innocent people in her life, Garrus does his own justice. Plenty of justice to be done according to her code.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...
Nowhere. 

So she will act upon it. The targets are infront of her. She is not the one to make sense, she is a machine with a code.

Stop the baseless assumptions. "Targets are in front of her"? Seriously? *Facepalm*

I should be the one to facepalm. Guess we have a different Samara's in our games....

[Xeranx]

jreezy wrote...

Still making stuff up. Samara holds no ill will towards the crew

Paraphrasing: "If I have to kill a man, do I need to know that he is a dutiful father?"

Right there Samara is expressing possible ill will towards a hypothetical man that she will have to take out. /slight sarcasm

Seems you're the one making stuff up if you're thinking that Samara has to dislike someone in order to kill them.

[D.Kain]

BlueMagitek wrote...

She made an exception for the cop by giving her a day instead of breaking out instantly. 

Considering that going on a rampage would almost certainly result in damaged innocents, which Samara cannot allow (see Nihlius story), the logical way to follow the code would be to request to be let off at their next stop, or, if she wanted to go straight to demanding justice, Omega or Tuch... the Krogan homeworld.

She did so because Shepard arrived. Because Shepard had a more important mission, the one that is global. 
Samara killed a whole village of innocent asari brainwashed by Morinth, that was totally fine, didn't look for ways to make it delayed and save them. 

There is no logical way to follow a code. You either follow it or you don't. If I told Samara to butcher one of my other crewmembers she would, because she has an Oath. Her code is as strong as her oath.

[D.Kain]

MACharlie1 wrote...

I believe her oath to Shepard technically puts her code on a "defer to Shepard" sort of case...how many times does Samara NOT kill someone who really should have been?

- Ronald Taylor - I can't imagine her code allows rape or forced consumption of toxic food
- Harkin - Dirty cop ("She'd defend an honest cop but fight to the death a hundred dirty cops")

Yes and should Shepard die, nothing would stop her.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

That's actually not what I meant. What I meant to say was: "Samara has no intention of killing anyone aboard the Normandy".

De fack? Are you serious?? 

[MACharlie1]

D.Kain wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

She made an exception for the cop by giving her a day instead of breaking out instantly. 

Considering that going on a rampage would almost certainly result in damaged innocents, which Samara cannot allow (see Nihlius story), the logical way to follow the code would be to request to be let off at their next stop, or, if she wanted to go straight to demanding justice, Omega or Tuch... the Krogan homeworld.

She did so because Shepard arrived. Because Shepard had a more important mission, the one that is global. 
Samara killed a whole village of innocent asari brainwashed by Morinth, that was totally fine, didn't look for ways to make it delayed and save them. 

There is no logical way to follow a code. You either follow it or you don't. If I told Samara to butcher one of my other crewmembers she would, because she has an Oath. Her code is as strong as her oath.

"if you have me do anything dishonorable, I may be forced to kill you."

Based on this, there is an exception in the oath to Shepard.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

Yeah apparently you modded your copy of Mass Effect 2 to where Morinth is a goody two shoes and Samara is the evil monster.

No just that Morinth is more healthy for the society and mission than Samara.

[D.Kain]

MACharlie1 wrote...

"if you have me do anything dishonorable, I may be forced to kill you."

Based on this, there is an exception in the oath to Shepard.

Noo. She would still do anything Shepard asks her. She says if you ar a renegede that she will have to kill you. her oath is just not over until collectors are stopped, she will kill Shepard afterwards.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

Stop her from what?

From attacking the Normandy crew.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

And this is where I facepalm. I'll explain why: You have no evidence that she would ever do such a thing.

It's her code. It makes her kill people like those that are a part of the crew. They are outlaws, justicars deal with outlaws.

[MACharlie1]

D.Kain wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

"if you have me do anything dishonorable, I may be forced to kill you."

Based on this, there is an exception in the oath to Shepard.

Noo. She would still do anything Shepard asks her. She says if you ar a renegede that she will have to kill you. her oath is just not over until collectors are stopped, she will kill Shepard afterwards.

There is a difference between what Shepard does himself and what he tells her to do herself. She can't do anything, until after the oath is up, to him for anything he pulls. But if he tries to make her do some dirty work, then she'd have to kill him. In this case, if Shepard kills a crew member then Samara can't do anything. But if he says "Yo, Samara. Go kill Johnny. He looked at me funny." She'd be compelled to kill Shepard then. 

[PMC65]

D.Kain wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

DK ... Samara's code is to protect the innocent. If any of the crew killed an innocent then she would by her code be compelled to kill them. So the question would be ... which team mate did Samara see kill an innocent? That person would be at risk, but I can't remember anything like that happening.

The crew knows eachothers backgrounds. And Samara's code goes deeper than just innocents. She goes as far as to say that she will kill krogan that make their varren fight. It is a cerberus ship. She works for Shepard not for cerberus. Cerberus must be dealt with as a criminal organisation ( Miranda, Jacob, crew ), Thane assassin, Kasumi thief, Zaeed merc, Jack killed plenty innocent people in her life, Garrus does his own justice. Plenty of justice to be done according to her code.

But you do not know if she will kill the crew ... you only suspect that she might. You are doing the same thing that you say others are doing against Morinth. Will Samara go after your crew in ME2? We will see in ME3. Until then no one knows since Bioware has not revealed that "truth".

It is the same as Morinth who lived and with a Shepard that lived ... what is her true motivation and desires? Is she a beautiful predator? A confused victim? A [put your own description here]? That will be revealed (hopefully) in ME3 as well. All we can do is make guesses based on what we all have seen in-game.

I choose predator in the games that she dies because it fits those stories. I am open to what Bioware reveals for the "escaped" Morinth in ME3 and if she ever kills her mother in my games then that Morinth will be revealed in ME3 as well.

If Samara dies in your games then you can make her whatever you want ... but Samara that lives? None of us know what she will do with Shepard in ME3. We can only guess.

[Xeranx]

jreezy wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Still making stuff up. Samara holds no ill will towards the crew

Paraphrasing: "If I have to kill a man, do I need to know that he is a dutiful father?"

Right there Samara is expressing possible ill will towards a hypothetical man that she will have to take out. /slight sarcasm

Seems you're the one making stuff up if you're thinking that Samara has to dislike someone in order to kill them.

That's actually not what I meant. What I meant to say was: "Samara has no intention of killing anyone aboard the Normandy".

Which still doesn't matter since Samara since she's governed by her code which tells her what to do.  She may not have any expressed intention of killing anyone, but she has every intention of following her code to the letter.  That makes her a threat to the crew of the Normandy if anything bad happens to Shepard.  

This is a bit of an aside, but keep in mind that Samara does have intentions of (probably) going to Tuchanka to "teach" the Krogan something and what the Krogan do there is merely contained to them and that world.  That hints at a possible selfish use of the code on Samara's part.

[D.Kain]

MACharlie1 wrote...

There is a difference between what Shepard does himself and what he tells her to do herself. She can't do anything, until after the oath is up, to him for anything he pulls. But if he tries to make her do some dirty work, then she'd have to kill him. In this case, if Shepard kills a crew member then Samara can't do anything. But if he says "Yo, Samara. Go kill Johnny. He looked at me funny." She'd be compelled to kill Shepard then. 

She would kill Shepard if he stopped persuing the collectors mission. "Your actions are my actions, and morals my morals." If Shepard want's Samara to kill Johny she will, because greater things are at stake. But she will get back at Shepard once the collectors are dealt with. 

[BlueMagitek]

D.Kain wrote...

She did so because Shepard arrived. Because Shepard had a more important mission, the one that is global. 
Samara killed a whole village of innocent asari brainwashed by Morinth, that was totally fine, didn't look for ways to make it delayed and save them. 

There is no logical way to follow a code. You either follow it or you don't. If I told Samara to butcher one of my other crewmembers she would, because she has an Oath. Her code is as strong as her oath.

No, she makes it quite clear that she is allowed to give the cop a day.  And now you're claiming the villagers are innocent; so that makes Morinth a monster for brainwashing them, ya?   And I'm sure the code allows for self defense against an innocent.

No, that is the logical way of following code. It's an if statement.

if an innocent will be harmed by taking action
             do not take action
else if
             ........
else
           Take action

If Samara is a machine, as you claim, that is how she follows her code.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

And this is where I facepalm. I'll explain why: You have no evidence that she would ever do such a thing.

It's her code. It makes her kill people like those that are a part of the crew. They are outlaws, justicars deal with outlaws.

Making up stuff again. What they deal with is in the name of their title. I love this D.Kain. Keep it up.

Wow, I am just speechless really...

[D.Kain]

PMC65 wrote...

But you do not know if she will kill the crew ... you only suspect that she might. You are doing the same thing that you say others are doing against Morinth. Will Samara go after your crew in ME2? We will see in ME3. Until then no one knows since Bioware has not revealed that "truth".

It is the same as Morinth who lived and with a Shepard that lived ... what is her true motivation and desires? Is she a beautiful predator? A confused victim? A [put your own description here]? That will be revealed (hopefully) in ME3 as well. All we can do is make guesses based on what we all have seen in-game.

I choose predator in the games that she dies because it fits those stories. I am open to what Bioware reveals for the "escaped" Morinth in ME3 and if she ever kills her mother in my games then that Morinth will be revealed in ME3 as well.

If Samara dies in your games then you can make her whatever you want ... but Samara that lives? None of us know what she will do with Shepard in ME3. We can only guess.

Yes we are all throwing a bunch of speculations here, whilst trying to use our head.