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[android654]

nelly21 wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I think we are perverting the meaning of psychopath.

Simply seeking freedom is not psychopathic.

Actually, Morinth is the very definition of a psychopath. She lacks emotion, remorse for her actions and is a liar.She may claim to "seek freedom" but that isn't what drives her. She is addicticted to empowerment she receives from killing her mates and continues in this vein to satisfy said addiction.

Yeah, she's awesome:wub:

[nelly21]

android654 wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I think we are perverting the meaning of psychopath.

Simply seeking freedom is not psychopathic.

Actually, Morinth is the very definition of a psychopath. She lacks emotion, remorse for her actions and is a liar.She may claim to "seek freedom" but that isn't what drives her. She is addicticted to empowerment she receives from killing her mates and continues in this vein to satisfy said addiction.

Yeah, she's awesome:wub:

ooooooooooook

[android654]

nelly21 wrote...

android654 wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I think we are perverting the meaning of psychopath.

Simply seeking freedom is not psychopathic.

Actually, Morinth is the very definition of a psychopath. She lacks emotion, remorse for her actions and is a liar.She may claim to "seek freedom" but that isn't what drives her. She is addicticted to empowerment she receives from killing her mates and continues in this vein to satisfy said addiction.

Yeah, she's awesome:wub:

ooooooooooook

Hey, addiction's a pretty consistent theme within human nature. She's not the first character to do so, and it helps that she has some degree of justification for why she does it. She was unaware of her disease and was placed into exile and labeled a monster alongside her sisters who are also afflicted. From her perspective she's merely trying to live her life because she was denied that right since she was born.

2nd best serial killer in the series.

Modifié par android654, 19 janvier 2012 - 09:03 .

[Seboist]

Morinth is the better character. That's reason alone to smoke Samara.

[ReallyRue]

OP has some crazy logic. I'd say Morinth is an obvious enemy regardless of Shepard's morality, and unlike Samara, she isn't honest about it, and is quite happy to manipulate Shepard. I did spare Morinth on one playthrough, but it felt seriously wrong. Like I'd just brought some toxic thing aboard the ship that's going to kill everyone.

[D.Kain]

 Congrats on your best choice in the game OP. Welcome to the club. 

DOn't let anyone tell you otherwise, Morinth is the most useful and honest character. 

[Spoiledrotten]

Eh... I actually think they're equal.

They are both probably going to kill you, yes even your paragon, safe cracking, corpse looting, star system destroying Shepherds.

On the one hand, Morinth only wishes to kill you with sex, you are useless to her if you die otherwise. She wants a conquest, your strength, and probably the cipher. In that regard, she is predictable and your death is easily preventable. However, while Samara may be less picky about her, err... "weapon" of choice, her code dictates her every action, making her predictable as well. Like Nihlus, Shepherd can find a loop.

Also, Morinth is totally hotter. Dat voice! Also, she notes that Samara's uniform is horrible, so there's another plus for her.

I do believe that Morinth is a sociopath, however Samara is a zealot making her just as dangerous and cold. Morinth doesn't question her actions because she doesn't care, Samara doesn't question them because she doesn't feel the need to, she has a code... Which sometimes compels her to kill cops...

[Burneye Is God]

Daeel wrote...

I played a renegade character and all through out the playthrough Samara is going on about as soon as the mission is over she "may" have to kill me. Why in all that is holy would I let an obvious enemy live? Especially when I can get her hotter, younger equally as strong Daughter. It just makes no sense to keep her alive.


Plus there are a lot of advantages to having a secret Ardat-Yakshi that is only loyal to me on my side. Tactics wise, Morinth is just superior. Samara is just too stringent in her morals, she can't be used when it comes to hard decisions.

Last thing I need is some justicar assassin chasing me all over the galaxy during a REAPER INVASION.

no eyebrows lol

[Daeel]

It's because Morinth IS a wild card that she is the safer choice. There's no randomness to Samara. She will kill Shepard if he doesn't meet her code. Where as with Morinth. I doubt she'll kill him through any means but sex. Shepard already knows about her powers so he's for the most part safe.

Plus having an Ardat-Yakshi on your side has to be a bonus.

Modifié par Daeel, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:03 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Shepard already knows about her powers so he's for the most part safe.

Even if Shepard know that death will be by sex, there's nothing to say that Morinth can't cheat (drug him, hold a gun to his hamster's head, etc)

Plus having an Ardat-Yakshi on your side has to be a bonus.

Yes, I frequently had trouble because my party didn't have anyone capable of killing others by sex.

Edit: Personally, I'd much rather shoot both of them and be done with it (e.g. before she kills that merc on Illium and call it justifiable homocide)

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:11 .

[Knubbsal]

Samara might be a zealot at times, but she's by no means cold.

And yes she might have to kill you when your mission is done, if you've been going around killing innocents. I think it's pretty decent of her to tell you before! Unlike someone else who'll keep trying to kill you in bed... Well good luck with that!

[ReallyRue]

Knubbsal wrote...

And yes she might have to kill you when your mission is done, if you've been going around killing innocents. I think it's pretty decent of her to tell you before! Unlike someone else who'll keep trying to kill you in bed... Well good luck with that!

Exactly. And she says she'll only have to kill Shepard if their paths cross (which she also says she hopes doesn't happen), and not that she intends to chase Shepard all over the galaxy.

Modifié par ReallyRue, 19 janvier 2012 - 11:31 .

[Collider]

I would only agree with the "Kill Samara because she's against renegades" argument if:

A. Morinth wasn't trying to kill you.
or
B. You can also kill Morinth before the suicide mission.

My renegade Shepard just doesn't recruit Samara.

[Blitzkrieg0811]

Ooooooh... a controversial topic!! BSN hasn't changed in my absence.

[The Minority]

At least the she has the decency to let you know she'll murder you.

[android654]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Um, no, she's cold. Someone being 'cold' though doesn't mean they don't have emotions or feelings or that they never share them. It just means that in general the person doesn't appear to be moved by much. I would say it is an apt description of Samara.

THey're both cold and in a work of fiction I'd consider that a plus. There are too many happy characters that lack depth. A character that is seemingly unfeeling becomes a true joy to study because they usually have a world of thoughts and emotions that they keep hidden until you look deeper.

[Knubbsal]

double post

Modifié par Knubbsal, 19 janvier 2012 - 11:48 .

[Spoiledrotten]

Collider wrote...

or
B. You can also kill Morinth before the suicide mission.

Why kill her before she is of any use?

I'd like the option to give her to C-sec for detention (paragon) or Cerberus for study (renegade) after the suicide mission. Alas.

Also, Samara will probably try to kill paragons too. Y'know, that star system nonsense, stolen credits, jaywalking, stuff like that...

Which reminds me. Jack, Zaeed, Kasumi, whole Cerberus personnel, possibly Thane, Garrus and Mordin, are all in danger from her, once her oath to you ends. Morinth (supposedly) only has a lady boner for Shepard.

Modifié par Spoiledrotten, 19 janvier 2012 - 11:45 .

[Knubbsal]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Um, no, she's cold. Someone being 'cold' though doesn't mean they don't have emotions or feelings or that they never share them. It just means that in general the person doesn't appear to be moved by much. I would say it is an apt description of Samara.

Indeed. You really don't see how it pains her to kill her own daughter? You might have to do another playthough! I'm a bit at a loss how you can miss that. She understands perfectly well that justice is above her own personal gain. Her job would break her if she didn't meditate more hours a day than Garrus calibrates.

[Spoiledrotten]

She has regrets and feelings, but she is still cold. She kills people in cold blood without much thought because her code says it's okay. She has feelings, sure, but she is as coldblooded as they come in the matters of death.

You are the one who should talk to her. Maybe pay attention to the part where she explains how she's gonna shoot through police officers or how she massacred a village, or how she's willing to kill every person who considers her a hero if she needs to. That is cold and dangerous.