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[Aurora313]

I killed Samara for Morinth to get the bonus power. Then I went back to save Samara from Morinth... not before wondering just how long they could keep the biotic duel up. (left it there for an hour, got into an in-depth conversation with sibling and forgot all about it.)

[ReallyRue]

jreezy wrote...

android654 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Um, no, she's cold. Someone being 'cold' though doesn't mean they don't have emotions or feelings or that they never share them. It just means that in general the person doesn't appear to be moved by much. I would say it is an apt description of Samara.

THey're both cold and in a work of fiction I'd consider that a plus. There are too many happy characters that lack depth.

That's why can't stand a lot of cartoon shows nowadays. Everyone is too nice to each other.

 On the other hand, it isn't necessary to add depth by having characters angst all the time. I find that much more annoying.

[Phuz]

I killed Samara in my renegade playthrough and look foward to running into Morinth in ME3.

Modifié par Phuz, 20 janvier 2012 - 02:42 .

[AnsinJung]

Wow, you can really game over from "romancing" Morinth? How funny.

Anyways, I think the whole concept of Justicars is BS. Nevertheless, I'd trust Samara much more willingly than Morinth. Bound by her code or not, she regrets her mistakes; Morinth doesn't. I don't see why she'd come after Shepard, but even if she did, she'd most likely die trying. The majority of Shepard's team probably belongs on a Justicar hit list as much as Shepard, but Samara "owes you one," after completing her loyalty mission.. Morinth is more likely to catch you with your guard down.

Another issue I have with trusting Morinth, is that Shepard and Morinth deceive the rest of the Normandy crew. Maybe Shepard doesn't need to worry about Morinth, or can handle her, but Shep's betraying the trust of the rest of the squad, and risking their lives. If the squad is afraid of Morinth, they fear the "frontal assault" they might normally fear from Samara, but there's an additional unknown danger in Morinth.

[D.Kain]

To all people that think Morinth wanted to kill Shepard. NO! She NEVER wanted to kill Shepard, if she really did, Shepard would be dead long ago. Sex was a bet, and Shepard was warned, Morinth logically automatically dies, right after Shepards death, because there is no way to escape an AI ship. USE your head! End of rine. lol

[D.Kain]

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

Don't start this again. Your reasoning was debunked plenty of times before.

My reasoning was debunked? You resorted to insults and the thread was closed by the mods. lol 
Morinth, is the most reliable squadmate. Just seriously wait for ME3 you will see. 

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Don't start this again. Your reasoning was debunked plenty of times before.

My reasoning was debunked? You resorted to insults and the thread was closed by the mods. lol 
Morinth, is the most reliable squadmate. Just seriously wait for ME3 you will see. 

Insults? No you mistake me for someone else. I have no need to insult you. 

You were the sarcastic guy, yes. There were a whole bunch of others that spammed insults though. I just refered to you as a group of people that were holding the argument against Morinth. Not that I got really offended anyway. 
If you want to discuss some more we can do that real time in mibbit #me3, but seriously I don't know where you get the idea that Morinth is unreliable. 

[android654]

D.Kain wrote...

She should be a LI in ME3. If they can bring Shepard back from death they should be able to cure an std.

[D.Kain]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

What if the Asari find out you killed one of their Justicars?

They leave you alone because they don't want any more dead Justicars? 

Besides Samara had it coming anyway. Such a person should not be allowed to live in the first place.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Wait so let me get this straight....

You killed Samara because she has morals and might kill you at the end of 3?

And you saved Mornith because she's loose and will kill you?

So how about Grunt did you kill him too on the SM because he promised to kill you too once he got a clan and killed the reapers.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

Morinth is even worse. Killing her is even more justified.

No. Morinth is a rational PERSON that has HER reasons for actions, that can be reasoned with. Samara is ( was ) a walking/talking machine with a crappy code. Also as I said, I want someone trustworthy on my side, and Morinth is the most trustworthy squadmember.

[AnsinJung]

D.Kain wrote...

To all people that think Morinth wanted to kill Shepard. NO! She NEVER wanted to kill Shepard, if she really did, Shepard would be dead long ago. Sex was a bet, and Shepard was warned, Morinth logically automatically dies, right after Shepards death, because there is no way to escape an AI ship. USE your head! End of rine. lol

How would she have killed Shepard "long ago?"  To be trite, Shepard usually has more HP, and more abilities.

As far as the ship, they go offworld from time to time, and not always to backwater planets where the ship is probably the only way off.  In your case, I assume you bring this "trusted" squadmate back to places like Ilium or the Presidium.

I saved Morinth on my renegade play, true, but that was a matter of getting my money's worth of the game, exploring different options, etc.  I watched the video of morinth/Shepard "embracing eternity" on the Normandy.  If that "ecstasy beyond comprehension" actually occurred, it was over in a time only Data (yes, the android) could have appreciated. 

I felt pretty guilty when I saw the letter from Nef's mom.  I wonder how many others had similar holes in their hearts...over the last four centuries.

[Goneaviking]

Daeel wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

"only loyal to me on my side." - that's pleasantly delusional.

Shepard killed her mother and saved her life. Plus knows about the whole sex overload thing. Morinth is completely loyal to Shepard for all those reasons and obviously has no other allies.

That just means that Shepard is the only loose end and once she gets rid of Shepard there'll be noone who knows who, or what, she is. She'll have a centuries long killing spree and if she stays clear of Asari space nobody will ever know she's doing it.

"too stringent in her morals" - a moral structure which leaves room for throwing it away (which is what she does when she joins Shepard).

She takes some "oath" that allows her to overlook my transgressions for the time being. That is not her 'throwing' away her morals. She's simplying biding her time, waiting until the mission is over. Then she'll probably go all crazy Justicar and try to off Shepard.

When you speak to Samara about her run in with Nihlus she makes it pretty clear that there is enough wiggle room in the code to deal with difficult situations.

Anyone who calls Samara a "zealot" or "morally inflexible" has no concept what it is to be, or be exposed to, either of those mentalities. It's the modern feel good "liberal" that needs a serious ass kicking for some perspective.

I've not labelled her such but.. the shoe does fit. When my Shepard was recruiting her she was just going off with a bunch of ccrazy hippy nonsense about morals and her code and nonsense only a zealot would say. Then she does some sort of religious ritual to 'make sure' she doesn't kill Shepard before the ritual is over. How is that not a fundamentalist?

She declares that she abides by her code, and that there's a limit to what she's willing to tolerate. That's not "fundamentalist" that's principled.

We're told Morinth could have practiced self-control if she wanted to... but instead, she gives into her base urges - her "addictions" - she's far more "morally inflexible" than Samara.

I don't bregrudge Morinth. Honestly, the whole locking up her children in some place secluded from everyone else is kind of silly. Of course you would want to escape.

The reason so many people find siding with Morinth repellant isn't because she escaped from a life of captivity, they object to the bit where she's explicitly a sex killer who enjoys earning her victim's trust before murdering them.

Daeel wrote...

I think we are perverting the meaning of psychopath.

Simply seeking freedom is not psychopathic.

Morinth doesn't simply seek freedom; She enjoys manipulating people and killing them when they feel safest. 

She tells Shepard this multiple times in her apartment.

Modifié par Goneaviking, 20 janvier 2012 - 07:45 .

[D.Kain]

AnsinJung wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

To all people that think Morinth wanted to kill Shepard. NO! She NEVER wanted to kill Shepard, if she really did, Shepard would be dead long ago. Sex was a bet, and Shepard was warned, Morinth logically automatically dies, right after Shepards death, because there is no way to escape an AI ship. USE your head! End of rine. lol

How would she have killed Shepard "long ago?"  To be trite, Shepard usually has more HP, and more abilities.

You know right there, in Morinth's appartment. Samara lies dead on the floor, my Shepard stands there with no armor, no weapons, and clearly an inferior biotic, she could have smashed my skull, but nope. 

Also PLEASE don't bring gameplay into story/lore!

Modifié par D.Kain, 20 janvier 2012 - 08:03 .

[D.Kain]

Goneaviking wrote...

Morinth doesn't simply seek freedom; She enjoys manipulating people and killing them when they feel safest. 

She tells Shepard this multiple times in her apartment.

Perhaps you missed the part where Morinth was talking about opponents, not pray. She talked about those that wanted to use her and those that wanted to kill her, and how that ended badly for them. She talked about Samara ( chess ), she talked about thugs that she encounters in the dark corners of the galaxy ( dueling ), and she talked about a rich suitor that wanted to have sex with her, and was hitting on her ( statue ).

[slimgrin]

Samara may kill you. Morinth will kill you.

[D.Kain]

slimgrin wrote...

Samara may kill you. Morinth will kill you.

The posibility of Morinth taking a hostile action against Shepard in ME3 is the same as Udina saving the galaxy from the reapers. 

[slimgrin]

Morinth acts on instinct, Samara on principle. There is nothing you can do to dissuade Morinth from killing. It's in her nature. But if you don't cross the code, who knows? You might get to spoon with Samara someday.