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[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Ask yourself that the next time you blow up the Collector Base.

Maybe you and Prazza are of like mind?

Here's the thing. Unlike you, I'm not bouncing on TIM's dick at every opportunity given to me.

He was never my commanding officer, because Cerberus isn't a official military. He's just some douchebag in a chair pretending to be something and trying to play on Shepard's emotions.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 20 janvier 2012 - 06:07 .

[Kid Buu]

Got to agree with SWM here.

[ObserverStatus]

He disobeyed a direct order, and it lead to the slaughter of his squad. idiot.

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

So, just because he hated his commanding officer, that gives him the right to be a complete tool?

Ask yourself that the next time you blow up the Collector Base.

Maybe you and Prazza are of like mind?

I see what you were being "subtle" about.

I guess I'm the only Paragon who's reasoning for blowing up the Collector Base had little to do with my CO or "leader"

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Getting himself and his squad killed is a direct result of his insubordination, which is why I find him idiotic. He basically got what he asked for.

But your logic is backwards, you're saying "what he did was idiotic because he got killed." What if he hadn't gotten killed? Would he still be idiotic?

Eternal, your not getting what Im saying. Im saying that his rather idiotic choice to disobey orders got him killed. I think he's a fool for disobeying orders.  Action and consequence.

[TheSteelArcher]

His concerns were justified, I mean, I spent the entire game waiting for Cerberus to stab me in the back. But he wasn't a hero, either, 'cause everyone died.

[Kid Buu]

Like I said. His fears were justified but the way he handled the situation was idiotic.

[Daeel]

This is not fun anymore. It's not entertaining to see a bunch of star players argue abunch of rookies. I almost want to disagree just to spice it up abit, but I'm not sure I can. Logic and reason already dictate my side. I just wish the opposition was a little more competent.

Either way, here's hoping for some better debaters. The amount of quality on "TIM/Renegade" side versus the "Paragon/NEYNEYNEYNEER" side is disappointing.

Yes, BSN, you've made arguments boring.

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

Daeel wrote...

This is not fun anymore. It's not entertaining to see a bunch of star players argue abunch of rookies. I almost want to disagree just to spice it up abit, but I'm not sure I can. Logic and reason already dictate my side. I just wish the opposition was a little more competent.

Either way, here's hoping for some better debaters. The amount of quality on "TIM/Renegade" side versus the "Paragon/NEYNEYNEYNEER" side is disappointing.

Yes, BSN, you've made arguments boring.

Unfortunately arguments can only go so far anymore untill the banhammer comes out.  

Modifié par vvDRUCILLAvv, 20 janvier 2012 - 06:24 .

[Daeel]

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Daeel wrote...

This is not fun anymore. It's not entertaining to see a bunch of star players argue abunch of rookies. I almost want to disagree just to spice it up abit, but I'm not sure I can. Logic and reason already dictate my side. I just wish the opposition was a little more competent.

Either way, here's hoping for some better debaters. The amount of quality on "TIM/Renegade" side versus the "Paragon/NEYNEYNEYNEER" side is disappointing.

Yes, BSN, you've made arguments boring.

Unfortunately arguments can only go so far anymore untill the banhammer comes out.  

It's because you guys can't present good points that trolls are necessary. Without trolls we just get the same ole "TIM CREW" beating on everyone within a 5 mile radius.

I saw this topic and I guessed where Saphra Dedan was going with this. This topic had so much potential and to be fair to the topic, it is kind of delivering, but I can't be bothered to read it. I sampled a few of the counter arguments and they are ****** poor.

Modifié par Daeel, 20 janvier 2012 - 06:31 .

[BlueMagitek]

jreezy wrote...

The organization isn't why I think he's a pretender. He thinks he's good for humanity. I'm skeptical of that. 

He has the voice of Martin Sheen.  How is he bad for humanity?  

[BlueMagitek]

jreezy wrote...

Martin Sheen is awesome but even he doesn't trust TIM.

I am aware.  But how can the voice of Martin Sheen be bad for humanity?

[BlueMagitek]

jreezy wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Martin Sheen is awesome but even he doesn't trust TIM.

I am aware.  But how can the voice of Martin Sheen be bad for humanity?

That's never bad for humanity. Someone would have to be mad to think so.

But you are, in your own words, skeptical of Martin Sheen's voice being good for humanity. 

My nonsense aside, with thanks for putting up with me, I can't really consider TIM bad for humanity when organizations such as the STG & Spectre program exist.  He's "par for the course" for humanity.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Brave, but a fool nontheless. Courage is no substitute for skill or firepower. He also disobeyed an order.

[BlueMagitek]

jreezy wrote...

That is their function. I wouldn't mind if Miranda was in charge of it. I'd feel better about leaving Cerberus alone if she was.

Honestly, I don't know if Miranda could handle it; she's almost certainly a better person than TIM, but that doesn't make her a better leader.

It has been a while, but does she not spend a good portion of the game (or at least some of her conversations) talking about her perfection, until realizing that despite his/her flaws, Shepard has done more?

Eh, maybe I'm just racist against clones.  Especially Luuke. 

But we do dawdle off topic.

I'm going to switch it up a bit.  Prazza is truly a hero, given the two options.  You cannot trust a weak commanding officer on a battered, alien world when she is working with your blood enemies.  Just because Bioware had rocks fall and everybody died does not make Prazza less of a hero.

[Saberchic]

I actually think Prazza is not an idiot. He has valid reason to doubt his superior and disobey orders.

Others have already pointed out the major issues. I think that it should be noted that Prazza was not alone in his disobedience. He had others with him. Tali is not a good leader, and I think that is definitely alluded to when a portion of her squad disobeys her orders.

To call Prazza an idiot just because he failed doesn't make sense. He felt that working with Cerberus was wrong; in some cases, he's actually proven right for those Sheps who hand over Veetor to Cerberus. Is Prazza an idiot then? Wouldn't Tali then be the idiot? Prazza's mistrust is not out of place. As others have already said, look at Shep's disobedience and hijacking of the Normandy; I believe that's a fair comparison.

I'm not trying to start a flame war with Tali fans; I'm just saying that it does behoove us to examine the motivations behind the actions.

This is a really interesting topic Saphra.