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Prazza, Hero or Fool?


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Saphra Deden wrote...

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True, but as we saw they didn't seem to pull it off very well.


Well no, they did pull it off well. It was the heavy mech that ended things. If it hadn't been for that they'd have grabbed Veetor and probably been out of there before Shepard could get to them.

Assuming that had happened what do you think would have been Prazza's reception back on the Migrant Fleet?

For my part I'd say they would tell him he was bad to disobey orders, slap him on the wrist, and then keep Tali out of any command posts.


That entirely depends if they were military or not. They were given guns, but I am still unsure if this was a military operation. If not, nothing would happen. If he was... Well military takes disobeying orders very seriously, and from where I stand prazza didn't have enough reason to court martial just yet. If tali was about to let cerberus walk off with veetor I could perhaps understand him trying to act on his own, but up until that point tali had done nothing wrong except use a possible resource (the cerberus team) to help get past the mechs.

I don't know about keeping tali out of any command posts, her father was still alive then. She still had those orders to find geth parts, which she apparently did pretty well.

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I'll put it this way, Anders would shoot lightning at him.

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Nashiktal wrote...

That entirely depends if they were military or not. They were given guns, but I am still unsure if this was a military operation. If not, nothing would happen. If he was... Well military takes disobeying orders very seriously,


Yeah, so seriously they slap medals on your chest and ship you off to pilgrimage a bit early.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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That entirely depends if they were military or not. They were given guns, but I am still unsure if this was a military operation. If not, nothing would happen. If he was... Well military takes disobeying orders very seriously,


Yeah, so seriously they slap medals on your chest and ship you off to pilgrimage a bit early.






Underage kids.

Not only that, but underaged kids who KNEW they couldn't be courtmartialed.

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Underage kids.

Not only that, but underaged kids who KNEW they couldn't be courtmartialed.


No, I don't think you get it. If the leadership had a problem with what they did they'd have definitely punished them for it instead of rewarding them. They also would have kept it in mind in the future and never let them rise anywhere up the command chain. The fact that both men eventually became admirals is proof enough for me that the military never cared that they broke protocol because they were successful and that even if they'd been adults when they did it that nothing much would have happened to them.

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pmac_tk421 wrote...

I'll put it this way, Anders would shoot lightning at him.

Anders doesn't really have the right to judge others anymore, though.

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Anders is an idiot.

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That's a bit of an understatement.

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He had a right to not trust Cerberus but that does not justify what he did.

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AgitatedLemon wrote...

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After Shepard and co. showed NO signs of hostility.


They did though. They walked in with guns pointed too and Cerberus has already demonstrated its hostility to the Migrant Fleet. Why risk Veetor's safety to give the benefit of the doubt to a bunch of murderous terrorists?


They walked in with weapons brandished because they just fought a small army of mechs that weren't even supposed to attack them. Are you intentionally missing the point?


And do you know why Cerberus attacked the fleet? It wasn't just for the lulz.

Nothing justifies what Cerberus did to the fleet so the quarians had every right to not trust them.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 20 janvier 2012 - 04:08 .


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Kid Buu wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

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After Shepard and co. showed NO signs of hostility.


They did though. They walked in with guns pointed too and Cerberus has already demonstrated its hostility to the Migrant Fleet. Why risk Veetor's safety to give the benefit of the doubt to a bunch of murderous terrorists?


They walked in with weapons brandished because they just fought a small army of mechs that weren't even supposed to attack them. Are you intentionally missing the point?


And do you know why Cerberus attacked the fleet? It wasn't just for the lulz.

Nothing justifies what Cerberus did to the fleet so the quarians had every right to not trust them.

Reclaiming Gillian does.

And the fleet? You make it sound as if they brought down half the flotilla to get back one girl, which would of course still not have been a bad trade-off.

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

After Shepard and co. showed NO signs of hostility.


They did though. They walked in with guns pointed too and Cerberus has already demonstrated its hostility to the Migrant Fleet. Why risk Veetor's safety to give the benefit of the doubt to a bunch of murderous terrorists?


They walked in with weapons brandished because they just fought a small army of mechs that weren't even supposed to attack them. Are you intentionally missing the point?


And do you know why Cerberus attacked the fleet? It wasn't just for the lulz.

Nothing justifies what Cerberus did to the fleet so the quarians had every right to not trust them.

Reclaiming Gillian does.

And the fleet? You make it sound as if they brought down half the flotilla to get back one girl, which would of course still not have been a bad trade-off.

No it does not. They killed hundreds of people and tried to kill thousands more by trying to blow up the ship. Getting back Gillian does not justify murdering thousands of innocent people. You are simply arguing because you have a hard on for TIM.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 20 janvier 2012 - 04:13 .


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I also find how you say losing half the fleet would also be fine, funny. Its not like they could be used to fight the reapers or anything... Nice logic you have there.

In fact all the attack ont he fleet did was create more enemies for Cerberus. Really Cerberus just mades their situation worse by doing that.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 20 janvier 2012 - 04:18 .


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The flotilla aided and abetted human fugitives who kidnapped a young girl away from her father. Those bastards got what was coming to them.

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Seboist wrote...

The flotilla aided and abetted human fugitives who kidnapped a young girl away from her father. Those bastards got what was coming to them.

Not sure if serious (I doubt you are) but in case...

No, they rescued a girl from a terrorist organization and illegal experiments. Even then, only the admirals had any say, so your theory on everyone being guilty makes no sense. Yes, I am sure all the children on the ship that would have died had a say in the matter.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 20 janvier 2012 - 04:20 .


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Kid Buu wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

After Shepard and co. showed NO signs of hostility.


They did though. They walked in with guns pointed too and Cerberus has already demonstrated its hostility to the Migrant Fleet. Why risk Veetor's safety to give the benefit of the doubt to a bunch of murderous terrorists?


They walked in with weapons brandished because they just fought a small army of mechs that weren't even supposed to attack them. Are you intentionally missing the point?


And do you know why Cerberus attacked the fleet? It wasn't just for the lulz.

Nothing justifies what Cerberus did to the fleet so the quarians had every right to not trust them.

Reclaiming Gillian does.

And the fleet? You make it sound as if they brought down half the flotilla to get back one girl, which would of course still not have been a bad trade-off.

No it does not. They killed hundreds of people and tried to kill thousands more by trying to blow up the ship. Getting back Gillian does not justify murdering thousands of innocent people. You are simply arguing because you have a hard on for TIM.

It does, for what measure is a non-human?

That last part of your post is a blatantly incorrect statement, by the way. And even if it were true, that would not have undermined the validity of my post.

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

After Shepard and co. showed NO signs of hostility.


They did though. They walked in with guns pointed too and Cerberus has already demonstrated its hostility to the Migrant Fleet. Why risk Veetor's safety to give the benefit of the doubt to a bunch of murderous terrorists?


They walked in with weapons brandished because they just fought a small army of mechs that weren't even supposed to attack them. Are you intentionally missing the point?


And do you know why Cerberus attacked the fleet? It wasn't just for the lulz.

Nothing justifies what Cerberus did to the fleet so the quarians had every right to not trust them.

Reclaiming Gillian does.

And the fleet? You make it sound as if they brought down half the flotilla to get back one girl, which would of course still not have been a bad trade-off.

No it does not. They killed hundreds of people and tried to kill thousands more by trying to blow up the ship. Getting back Gillian does not justify murdering thousands of innocent people. You are simply arguing because you have a hard on for TIM.

It does, for what measure is a non-human?

That last part of your post is a blatantly incorrect statement, by the way. And even if it were true, that would not have undermined the validity of my post.

You sure?

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Kid Buu wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

After Shepard and co. showed NO signs of hostility.


They did though. They walked in with guns pointed too and Cerberus has already demonstrated its hostility to the Migrant Fleet. Why risk Veetor's safety to give the benefit of the doubt to a bunch of murderous terrorists?


They walked in with weapons brandished because they just fought a small army of mechs that weren't even supposed to attack them. Are you intentionally missing the point?


And do you know why Cerberus attacked the fleet? It wasn't just for the lulz.

Nothing justifies what Cerberus did to the fleet so the quarians had every right to not trust them.

Reclaiming Gillian does.

And the fleet? You make it sound as if they brought down half the flotilla to get back one girl, which would of course still not have been a bad trade-off.

No it does not. They killed hundreds of people and tried to kill thousands more by trying to blow up the ship. Getting back Gillian does not justify murdering thousands of innocent people. You are simply arguing because you have a hard on for TIM.

It does, for what measure is a non-human?

That last part of your post is a blatantly incorrect statement, by the way. And even if it were true, that would not have undermined the validity of my post.

You sure?

I rarely say something I'm not certain of, my dear Quole.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 20 janvier 2012 - 04:33 .


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Who is this Quole?

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Kid Buu is actually Quole who's trolling under a different name. Therefore everything he says is invalid.

I'd say that Prazza was just a marine who got tired of putting up with an inexperienced commander who had an apparent hard on for a Cerberus officer. He put the situation into perspective and decided to try his luck.

Think about it this way. You're a US Marine or a French paratrooper or something like that. You're rescuing a US or French citizen from some kind of base or installation owned by the Chinese. Something has wiped out everything else in the base, so you're just going in to rescue your guy. Then you run into a team of PLA special forces who are also trying to retrieve that citizen. Do you permit it? Hell no, he's one of yours, and you look out for his safety and well being, no matter how gentle the Chinese promise to be with their debriefing. Prazza is a more loyal quarian than Tali.

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Kid Buu wrote...

Who is this Quole?

Gee, I wouldn't know, you magnificent worker of deceit...

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I don't see why you're bringing the Collector Base into this, Saphra, but I can see your point about Prazza. Being asked to trust Cerberus, who had apparently done something that nearly destroyed a Quarian ship? station? was probably too much. Along with his commander who, like Made Nightwing just said, apparently is uber fascinated with this person from Cerberus.

Also, hey Quole!

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Made Nightwing wrote...

Kid Buu is actually Quole who's trolling under a different name. Therefore everything he says is invalid.

Why should Quole's opinions be disregarded just because he's Quole? That's ad hominem reasoning, a logical fallacy.

Modifié par Cthulhu42, 20 janvier 2012 - 04:48 .


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A poor bastard.

A "Hero" does not guide his squad into certain death.

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stysiaq wrote...

A poor bastard.

A "Hero" does not guide his squad into certain death.

Because, obviously, he did that on purpose. /sarcasm