I don't buy the gun dlc its stupid and I only bought the clothing because Jack really needed a shirt and Miranda really needed a hardsuit. All clothing dlc should be free. Other then that they should do an expansion pack from here on out roll in new bosses, main quest, sidequest, clothing, armor, guns, dialogue, situations, ect no more individual packs of guns, armor, clothing, or episodes.
Bioware stop short changing me
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#27
Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 04:48
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I also dislike this,as it does not allow me to play offline. I am forced to pay for Gold as long as I want to play ME on 360.
#28
Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 04:57
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BioWare sold themselves to EA, so yes, it is their fault!
Anyways, I find it pretty dirty to prepare content that they are telling us is worth playing well in advance of release, but then they won't put it on the disc because they can make us pay again for something made as part of ME3's development. This didn't happen back in the days of ME1 and before. Back then, if they could get something done by launch, it was because they wanted to add to the game. Now they make it and think it is fine to cut it off and sell it as "extra".
So tell me BioWare, if you made this content during the regular development, but then cut it off as optional, am I to assume it was originally part of the definitive game or that the game as it stands on the disc is the definitive experience?
I tend to assume now that if it isn't on the disc, it isn't the game as they intend for everyone to see it. So my first play through is DLC free because the DLC is the stuff they could care less if everyone sees and thus many who won't have access to it are to experience the game as it stands on disc. It is the stuff that they market before release as being worth playing, but their actions of leaving it as separate cuttings means it is an optional augmentation and the game on the disc is the game as they want everyone to see it.
I see the real ME3 as the game that ships on the disc. DLC is for fooling around with later.
So... What I'm getting from your rant is that you hate the fact that DLC seems to be locked on the disk or game. Well here's the truth. Kasumi for example is locked but not all the stuff (code) is available on it. If you tried tampering with it you would just get a small percentage of it. Developers do this to make sure it will work. It's not entirely locked so to speak. Kasumi was just going to come out inevitable. If you can't afford a few dollars, euros, pounds, whatever then maybe you shouldn't buy soda or a candy bar.
No. That is a whole other issue. I definitely hate when content is on the disk and requires special unlock codes via extra purchase or specific retailers. Developers didn't do that shady stuff back several years ago. If they could make it work on the disc, they didn't block it off for specific customers.
What I was saying is that at this point I just play the game as it is on the disc without unlocking or installing any of the content beforehand. I feel that if they didn't put it on the disc for everyone to experience than it is not the true experience as originally written (and I learned from Zaeed that some DLC is clearly not part of the real content experience that the disc itself starts with). I think it gets tricky when something that BioWare comes up with will be ready long before release, but they don't make it accessible to everyone by putting it on the disk. On the one hand, we can assume it is just extras and the true finale of ME3 is on the disc, no need for internet to download anything and make it into the game it was meant to be, it is just as it is supposed to be on the disks. They left it as optional DLC because it isn't a part of the definitive story. On the other hand, they wrote it up while the game was still earlier in development, so you have to question whether or not this content was written originally as part of the complete ME3 experience and then they decided to keep it separate just for money reasons. Then it is an issue of, should we all be downloading stuff because it is the most complete and best true representation of the main ME3 game, or is it meant to be an add on and don't sweat not having it because it isn't important.
Basically, is the stuff we can access on the disk without DLC going to be everything that ME3 is supposed to be? Are we safe in assuming that DLC is DLC because it is okay if it is optional since it is really just a fun add on extra and not an important component of the finale that was just split off? Should we worry that we are missing out on what the true ME3 experience is if we don't download it, or truthfully is ME3 as it ships the equivalent of the "Theatrical Edition" of a movie, complete in every true way that it is experienced and DLC is just to make "Director's Cut" experiences out of it, but they aren't necessary to the true project?
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Well I can see your "reasonable" responses about internet connection and the DLC. But this is a very old issue. Why bring it up now? Pointless. You can only hope the ME3 has fixed this problem. Oh I don't think you need a gold membership as long as you have net access.
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CannonLars wrote...
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BioWare sold themselves to EA, so yes, it is their fault!
Anyways, I find it pretty dirty to prepare content that they are telling us is worth playing well in advance of release, but then they won't put it on the disc because they can make us pay again for something made as part of ME3's development. This didn't happen back in the days of ME1 and before. Back then, if they could get something done by launch, it was because they wanted to add to the game. Now they make it and think it is fine to cut it off and sell it as "extra".
So tell me BioWare, if you made this content during the regular development, but then cut it off as optional, am I to assume it was originally part of the definitive game or that the game as it stands on the disc is the definitive experience?
I tend to assume now that if it isn't on the disc, it isn't the game as they intend for everyone to see it. So my first play through is DLC free because the DLC is the stuff they could care less if everyone sees and thus many who won't have access to it are to experience the game as it stands on disc. It is the stuff that they market before release as being worth playing, but their actions of leaving it as separate cuttings means it is an optional augmentation and the game on the disc is the game as they want everyone to see it.
I see the real ME3 as the game that ships on the disc. DLC is for fooling around with later.
So... What I'm getting from your rant is that you hate the fact that DLC seems to be locked on the disk or game. Well here's the truth. Kasumi for example is locked but not all the stuff (code) is available on it. If you tried tampering with it you would just get a small percentage of it. Developers do this to make sure it will work. It's not entirely locked so to speak. Kasumi was just going to come out inevitable. If you can't afford a few dollars, euros, pounds, whatever then maybe you shouldn't buy soda or a candy bar.
No. That is a whole other issue. I definitely hate when content is on the disk and requires special unlock codes via extra purchase or specific retailers. Developers didn't do that shady stuff back several years ago. If they could make it work on the disc, they didn't block it off for specific customers.
What I was saying is that at this point I just play the game as it is on the disc without unlocking or installing any of the content beforehand. I feel that if they didn't put it on the disc for everyone to experience than it is not the true experience as originally written (and I learned from Zaeed that some DLC is clearly not part of the real content experience that the disc itself starts with). I think it gets tricky when something that BioWare comes up with will be ready long before release, but they don't make it accessible to everyone by putting it on the disk. On the one hand, we can assume it is just extras and the true finale of ME3 is on the disc, no need for internet to download anything and make it into the game it was meant to be, it is just as it is supposed to be on the disks. They left it as optional DLC because it isn't a part of the definitive story. On the other hand, they wrote it up while the game was still earlier in development, so you have to question whether or not this content was written originally as part of the complete ME3 experience and then they decided to keep it separate just for money reasons. Then it is an issue of, should we all be downloading stuff because it is the most complete and best true representation of the main ME3 game, or is it meant to be an add on and don't sweat not having it because it isn't important.
Basically, is the stuff we can access on the disk without DLC going to be everything that ME3 is supposed to be? Are we safe in assuming that DLC is DLC because it is okay if it is optional since it is really just a fun add on extra and not an important component of the finale that was just split off? Should we worry that we are missing out on what the true ME3 experience is if we don't download it, or truthfully is ME3 as it ships the equivalent of the "Theatrical Edition" of a movie, complete in every true way that it is experienced and DLC is just to make "Director's Cut" experiences out of it, but they aren't necessary to the true project?
You almost give me headache so may words for just a response. Alright I get it you feel required to get the DLC, but I'm pretty sure thats just the way they wanted it. Sorry.
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 05:08
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Yes. The firepower pack was stupid..if by stupid you mean indispensible and the best three weapons in ME2 (except maybe the widow)
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 05:11
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@Mass Effect Player
I didn't bring this up and I don't feel required to get it. My concern is simply whether or not we are getting the full "Theatrical" version of ME3 if we don't get any of the content. If I have to get all of the content for the basic experience to be what BioWare envisioned, then I have a problem with it not being accessible entirely using the disc.
I didn't bring this up and I don't feel required to get it. My concern is simply whether or not we are getting the full "Theatrical" version of ME3 if we don't get any of the content. If I have to get all of the content for the basic experience to be what BioWare envisioned, then I have a problem with it not being accessible entirely using the disc.
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 05:17
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The widow is trash tbh. At least as far as a squadmate using it is concerned.mybudgee wrote...
Yes. The firepower pack was stupid..if by stupid you mean indispensible and the best three weapons in ME2 (except maybe the widow)
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 05:20
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Hm. I never thought why dlc doesn't drop in price. I bought Awakenings for $15 off of amazon, and I know that its 1200 pts still in the marketplace.....you'd think after a year it would have dropped
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 05:21
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Here's my issue:
I preordered the Collector's Edition of Mass Effect 3. But even with that, i'm STILL not getting all the content the game has to offer. All because i have no interest in Kingdoms of Amalur. I'm sure there's other examples that'll come.
I preordered the Collector's Edition of Mass Effect 3. But even with that, i'm STILL not getting all the content the game has to offer. All because i have no interest in Kingdoms of Amalur. I'm sure there's other examples that'll come.
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 05:24
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Well, Futureboy, I just checked your Registered Entitlements page and you still have Zaeed available to you (don't believe me, check your page here). So I'm not sure exactly what the problem is. Maybe you don't understand how to access it? If so, please send me a PM and I'll explain it.
If we make optional DLC available and you don't want it, don't buy it. If we make DLC and you want it, pay for it. If I go to a burger place, I don't get upset that they charge me for fries. They're optional. Sure, I wish they were free or included with my burger at no extra charge, but I realize it costs the company to make them and if I want them, I should pay for them.
If we make optional DLC available and you don't want it, don't buy it. If we make DLC and you want it, pay for it. If I go to a burger place, I don't get upset that they charge me for fries. They're optional. Sure, I wish they were free or included with my burger at no extra charge, but I realize it costs the company to make them and if I want them, I should pay for them.
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 05:30
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Chris Priestly wrote...
Well, Futureboy, I just checked your Registered Entitlements page and you still have Zaeed available to you (don't believe me, check your page here). So I'm not sure exactly what the problem is. Maybe you don't understand how to access it? If so, please send me a PM and I'll explain it.
If we make optional DLC available and you don't want it, don't buy it. If we make DLC and you want it, pay for it. If I go to a burger place, I don't get upset that they charge me for fries. They're optional. Sure, I wish they were free or included with my burger at no extra charge, but I realize it costs the company to make them and if I want them, I should pay for them.
Except there is the issue where we want the best experience, but because we are not inside your corporation, we have no way of being certain that playing without the DLC is the full experience as originally imagined or if we should buy the DLC because the content in it was originally considered part of the ME3 plans before being shifted over to DLC for extra profits despite being ready before the game was finished.
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 05:41
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Developers are rarely ever able to achieve the 'full experience' that they intended for the final game. BioWare is no different. Dragon Age 2 probably being their most extreme example of not being what they had envisioned.
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 05:42
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Chris Priestly wrote...
Well, Futureboy, I just checked your Registered Entitlements page and you still have Zaeed available to you (don't believe me, check your page here). So I'm not sure exactly what the problem is. Maybe you don't understand how to access it? If so, please send me a PM and I'll explain it.
If we make optional DLC available and you don't want it, don't buy it. If we make DLC and you want it, pay for it. If I go to a burger place, I don't get upset that they charge me for fries. They're optional. Sure, I wish they were free or included with my burger at no extra charge, but I realize it costs the company to make them and if I want them, I should pay for them.
With all due respect Mr. Priestly...
...I bought Dead Space 2 retail for the PC, to discover that a significant amount of content present upon the disc I purchased was locked unless I had first bought a pre-launch DLC...and that DLC was never even offered for the PC, so I could never access the content I had paid for and was present on my disc.
So the company you work for sold me a hamburger, and left the meat out unless I paid them extra money prior to purchasing the hamburger.
Sorry, I know that's a little off-topic, but that's no small part of the reason why ME3 will be the last EA game I ever buy. (Might not even be off-topic, we have yet to see if you're going to try to sell me Day 1 DLC that's already on the disc too)
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 05:43
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Jozape wrote...
Developers are rarely ever able to achieve the 'full experience' that they intended for the final game. BioWare is no different. Dragon Age 2 probably being their most extreme example of not being what they had envisioned.
But are we to assume playing with this DLC is more like the full "Theatrical Edition" experience they planned or that what they stuck with putting on the disk for all player to have and experience is the "Theatrical Edition"?
Excuse my overuse of that term, but I don't know what better way to say the complete, day one, full representation to the public of the project.
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 05:46
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CannonLars wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
Well, Futureboy, I just checked your Registered Entitlements page and you still have Zaeed available to you (don't believe me, check your page here). So I'm not sure exactly what the problem is. Maybe you don't understand how to access it? If so, please send me a PM and I'll explain it.
If we make optional DLC available and you don't want it, don't buy it. If we make DLC and you want it, pay for it. If I go to a burger place, I don't get upset that they charge me for fries. They're optional. Sure, I wish they were free or included with my burger at no extra charge, but I realize it costs the company to make them and if I want them, I should pay for them.
Except there is the issue where we want the best experience, but because we are not inside your corporation, we have no way of being certain that playing without the DLC is the full experience as originally imagined or if we should buy the DLC because the content in it was originally considered part of the ME3 plans before being shifted over to DLC for extra profits despite being ready before the game was finished.
Who cares if they planned it from the beginning or not? If you find the content interesting enough to spend money on, do it. If you think you'll have just as good of an experience without the content, or that the little satisfaction you would gain wouldn't be worth the cost, then don't. Who cares about all the behind-the-scenes stuff? I didn't get around to downloading Zaeed until like my fourth playthrough, and I never felt "cheated" because I didn't purchase something.....
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 05:56
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Fidget6 wrote...
CannonLars wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
Well, Futureboy, I just checked your Registered Entitlements page and you still have Zaeed available to you (don't believe me, check your page here). So I'm not sure exactly what the problem is. Maybe you don't understand how to access it? If so, please send me a PM and I'll explain it.
If we make optional DLC available and you don't want it, don't buy it. If we make DLC and you want it, pay for it. If I go to a burger place, I don't get upset that they charge me for fries. They're optional. Sure, I wish they were free or included with my burger at no extra charge, but I realize it costs the company to make them and if I want them, I should pay for them.
Except there is the issue where we want the best experience, but because we are not inside your corporation, we have no way of being certain that playing without the DLC is the full experience as originally imagined or if we should buy the DLC because the content in it was originally considered part of the ME3 plans before being shifted over to DLC for extra profits despite being ready before the game was finished.
Who cares if they planned it from the beginning or not? If you find the content interesting enough to spend money on, do it. If you think you'll have just as good of an experience without the content, or that the little satisfaction you would gain wouldn't be worth the cost, then don't. Who cares about all the behind-the-scenes stuff? I didn't get around to downloading Zaeed until like my fourth playthrough, and I never felt "cheated" because I didn't purchase something.....
I get the sense that you are not as hardcore about perfect playthroughs as I am...
I want the definitive, perfect, as they imagined it, first ME3 playthrough. But I can't be sure if that is best accomplished with the DLC on day one or not.
It is not a question of if I am interested. I will of course buy all the DLC. The question is, what do I need to get the definite, not missing out on the main event experience. How do I get the wholly imagined "Theatrical Edition" playthrough of ME3 on my first playthrough? Do I need this DLC to get that, or does BioWare not count DLC as part of the great, whole ME3 "Theatrical Edition"?
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 05:59
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DLC should really be priced as a percentage of the main games price, based on the amount of content added by the DLC as compared to the package.
I mean, at least this way its price would decrease along with the same game, thereby maintaining the same ratio of cost. It gets pretty weird when you're paying more for DLC than you are for the actual game, which usually has 10x as much content as even the largest DLC package.
'Course, not that it really matters. I'll end up buying it anyway since I love mass effect. And every other business does the same thing, so I'm better off placing my distaste on the general state of things rather than any individual company. Ah, the plight of the consumer...
I mean, at least this way its price would decrease along with the same game, thereby maintaining the same ratio of cost. It gets pretty weird when you're paying more for DLC than you are for the actual game, which usually has 10x as much content as even the largest DLC package.
'Course, not that it really matters. I'll end up buying it anyway since I love mass effect. And every other business does the same thing, so I'm better off placing my distaste on the general state of things rather than any individual company. Ah, the plight of the consumer...
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 06:04
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CannonLars wrote...
Jozape wrote...
Developers are rarely ever able to achieve the 'full experience' that they intended for the final game. BioWare is no different. Dragon Age 2 probably being their most extreme example of not being what they had envisioned.
But are we to assume playing with this DLC is more like the full "Theatrical Edition" experience they planned or that what they stuck with putting on the disk for all player to have and experience is the "Theatrical Edition"?
Excuse my overuse of that term, but I don't know what better way to say the complete, day one, full representation to the public of the project.
Did you consider any of the extras in previous BioWare games essential to their core experience? Tbh, I personally think that much of it is garbage. Tales of the Swordcoast is alright, but not special. Throne of Bhaal sucks. NWN's expansions and premium modules are neat but not essential to enjoying Neverwinter Nights. Yavin adds little to KotOR besides upgradables and some potential lizard men slaughter. Bring Down the Sky and Pinnacle Station definitely weren't important to Mass Effect. None of DA:O's DLCs and Awakening are really important, though they did help to flesh out the setting more, they weren't essential. And the post-release DLCs are very low quality compared to the default game.
Same goes for ME2's DLCs. They help flesh out the setting and give you a little more customization, but hardly essential. Though I could see why someone might consider the last DLC important. What was it called, Ascension? Or is that the book? Whichever one has you fighting a countdown. I think. I didn't play it.
In short, I don't think BioWare makes games the way you're wondering if they do.
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 06:18
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Lair of the Shadow Broker was a thing of beauty and I believe Bioware will be able to focus on more epic DLC this time around mainly in part there is no need to bridge the gaps anymore. I look forward to whatever they come out with and anyways DLC is just the cherry on top of the already sweet game!
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 06:26
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I would love it if DLC were available at reduced prices as more time passed after their release like any other entertainment product - especially when they're just digital goods and not really subject to supply and demand.
Though a lot of you seem to have misconceptions about DLC, most DLC is stuff that either the developers wanted to include but couldn't without funds given to them by the publishers, or stuff the publisher wants included using extra money they provide.
Though a lot of you seem to have misconceptions about DLC, most DLC is stuff that either the developers wanted to include but couldn't without funds given to them by the publishers, or stuff the publisher wants included using extra money they provide.
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 06:42
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Everything is everyone's fault these days.
Lawyers and psychologists make an absolute fortune in telling you that every single one of your problems, is someone elses fault.
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 06:49
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I'd be more upset that only Gold subscribers are able to play co-op.
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 06:54
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You're thinking of Arrival. Outside of an interesting tactical problem (the Object Rho fight) and a little bit of story fleshing-out, it didn't really add that much to the game.Jozape wrote...
Same goes for ME2's DLCs. They help flesh out the setting and give you a little more customization, but hardly essential. Though I could see why someone might consider the last DLC important. What was it called, Ascension? Or is that the book? Whichever one has you fighting a countdown. I think. I didn't play it.
Lair of the Shadow Broker was probably the most important DLC in terms of story, romance, and character customization, but even it wasn't totally necessary (although highly recommended) and, more importantly, obviously wasn't developed as an integral part of ME2, only to be added in later for extra ca$h.
Strongly agree with this.Jozape wrote...
In short, I don't think BioWare makes games the way you're wondering if they do.
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Posté 20 janvier 2012 - 07:02
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Yuoaman wrote...
Though a lot of you seem to have misconceptions about DLC, most DLC is stuff that either the developers wanted to include but couldn't without funds given to them by the publishers, or stuff the publisher wants included using extra money they provide.
Well said.
