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[BlazeShepard]

PDesign wrote...

BlazeShepard wrote...

From what I know there's sadly not a lot of fully automatic assault rifles. Sure there's the Avenger and the Valkyrie but the Avenger was by far the weakest AR in ME2 and the Valkyrie's DLC I might not even get because I refuse to preorder at Gamestop. Do we know if any of the other ARs are fully automatic?
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Phaeston is fully automatic. Valkyrie is not

N7 Valkyrie Assault Rifle

Deliver two rounds per shot with deadly accuracy and stop the opposition dead in their tracks with superior high caliber rounds.

Oops, my mistake then.  I obviously didn't get that particular memo about the Valkyrie.

[Adhin]

@The Spamming Troll : You missed every point I made I guess but I was only bringing up this current year because that's what the guy opposing it was bringing up. Current military experience in this year, not in the ME far flung future where a lot of the battlefield has kenetic barriers.

And the modding was purely a mechanic game mechanic thing. In all the lore and all the history of Mass Effect universe the guns constantly overheated, and they had to weight while it slowly cooled down. That's all I was saying. I'm not really for or against either direction just trying to point out syncs do make sense from a military perspective.

@BlazeShepard : As for the Avenger sucking balls like it did in ME2 (even though I still used it a lot). They've more or less gotten it closer to the Vindicator. They obviously use different damage variables then ME2 due to the much higher HP/Shield count but... I'l go ahead and make up some wild example out of my ass here.

Avenger does (in ME2 terms) lets say 20 damage, 25 round mag, 250 extra shots. Vindicator does 25 dmg, 24 round mag, 190 extra rounds. There overall damage is comparable with out being grossly in eithers favor. Avenger can push out more dmg quicker due to full automatic in close range, Vindicator has higher recoil then ME2. You'd want to aim at the chest so the third shot hits the head kinda thing.

Modifié par Adhin, 06 février 2012 - 01:15 .

[Sidney]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

your forgetting theres pros and cons to modding. its not just modding your weapon to never overheat, and still cause high damage. the fire-forever weapons sacrificed damage,

No, modding doesn't sacrifice damage for ROF or low overheat. Frictionless materials decrease heat AND increase damage. Even Heat Sink increase overheat time and does not negatively affect damage.  Kinectic Coil adds stability and damage. It is only the barrel extenders that add heat but the heat add is minimal (10% on scram rails) vs the damage increase (26%) so it isn't even close to being a trade off.

[Someone With Mass]

PDesign wrote...

BlazeShepard wrote...

From what I know there's sadly not a lot of fully automatic assault rifles. Sure there's the Avenger and the Valkyrie but the Avenger was by far the weakest AR in ME2 and the Valkyrie's DLC I might not even get because I refuse to preorder at Gamestop. Do we know if any of the other ARs are fully automatic?
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Phaeston is fully automatic. Valkyrie is not

N7 Valkyrie Assault Rifle

Deliver two rounds per shot with deadly accuracy and stop the opposition dead in their tracks with superior high caliber rounds.

And thus, I was immediately turned off by that Vindicator wannabe. I'd rather go with the Falcon.

[crimzontearz]

incinerator950 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
no duh...I informed him of cooldowns.....the answer was the same. and those ammo came in blocks worth several thousands shots.....much more than a few hundreds

Then you have the correct response from your original post.  The Thermal clip were made to increase fire rate, correcting me.  However, the ammunition has always been there.  Thermal Clips increase the fire rate, because of weapon improvements for disabling Barriers and shields. 
You could have several thousand rounds, I'd rather have several hundred that can reduce and penetrate defenses without resorting to special ammunition. 

That qualifier does NOT exist in the codex. Without it Thermal Clips are idiotic

[TexasToast712]

PDesign wrote...

BlazeShepard wrote...

From what I know there's sadly not a lot of fully automatic assault rifles. Sure there's the Avenger and the Valkyrie but the Avenger was by far the weakest AR in ME2 and the Valkyrie's DLC I might not even get because I refuse to preorder at Gamestop. Do we know if any of the other ARs are fully automatic?
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Phaeston is fully automatic. Valkyrie is not

N7 Valkyrie Assault Rifle

Deliver two rounds per shot with deadly accuracy and stop the opposition dead in their tracks with superior high caliber rounds.

Proof? 

[crimzontearz]

read the text. It fires a 2 shot burst

[TexasToast712]

crimzontearz wrote...

read the text. It fires a 2 shot burst

What text?

[crimzontearz]

oh wait you mean proof that the Phaeston is full auto?

[TexasToast712]

crimzontearz wrote...

oh wait you mean proof that the Phaeston is full auto?

No, proof that the N7 Valkyrie is only 2 shot burst.

[Adhin]

Think the quarian enginer in the MP trailer is using a Phaeston. Though I can't remember it if was full-auto or not from that heh... only place I remember seeing it used though. Not counting screen shots of course.

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Oh that, should be in the promotional text about it yeah?

Modifié par Adhin, 06 février 2012 - 02:04 .

[crimzontearz]

it's in the promo weapon description

[TexasToast712]

crimzontearz wrote...

it's in the promo weapon description

On the Gamestop website or Bioware's?

[crimzontearz]

TexasToast712 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
it's in the promo weapon description

On the Gamestop website or Bioware's?

www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/games/mass-effect-3/89162#bonusFeatures

[Adragalus]

TexasToast712 wrote...

PDesign wrote...

BlazeShepard wrote...

From what I know there's sadly not a lot of fully automatic assault rifles. Sure there's the Avenger and the Valkyrie but the Avenger was by far the weakest AR in ME2 and the Valkyrie's DLC I might not even get because I refuse to preorder at Gamestop. Do we know if any of the other ARs are fully automatic?
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Phaeston is fully automatic. Valkyrie is not

N7 Valkyrie Assault Rifle

Deliver two rounds per shot with deadly accuracy and stop the opposition dead in their tracks with superior high caliber rounds.

Proof? 

I disagree with the "two-round burst" interpretation.

Vindicator description: "A battle rifle favored by assassins and elite mercenaries that fires in highly accurate five-round bursts and can be pulsed for rapid fire "

Shuriken description: "A common but effective submachine gun. Fires three-round bursts, and can be pulsed for a higher rate of fire at the expense of accuracy. "

Argus description: "The high-powered Argus rifle is an excellent close-range weapon, and its bursts of fire conserve ammunition during lengthy conflicts. "

All of these are burst weapons, and all of the specifically say "x-round burst" or "burst." To me, the very distinct (compared to other weapons) dual-barreled design of the Valkyrie suggests that it literally fires two shots at once, per trigger pull. [ images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120103060154/masseffect/images/thumb/3/31/N7_Valkyrie_Concept_Art.png/830px-N7_Valkyrie_Concept_Art.png ]

Modifié par Adragalus, 06 février 2012 - 05:02 .

[crimzontearz]

go to my link and read again.....it clearly says 2 rounds per shot

[incinerator950]

Do you have the video links with the description to prove it? I know the ingame description for the Vindicator was a five round burst, when it was three.  Although, it is the Gamestop description.

I watched the Argus and Valkry videos, didn't really see two shot burst. I'll watch again when I can stomach another advertisement instead of a trailer.

Modifié par incinerator950, 06 février 2012 - 07:41 .

[Someone With Mass]

One thing that's a little funny is that the description for the Vindicator in the script is contradicting itself in the next sentence by saying that it's a three-round burst rifle.

By the way, the description for the Shuriken is also wrong there. It clearly fires six rounds per burst.

[incinerator950]

Crimzon is right, it is a two shot burst. It's a pulse instead of quick succession, but it is obvious.

I'm using my Collector Rifle, so

[IndustrializedTaco]

My question is, is any of the shotguns going to be better than the geth shotgun. 'Cause I'm like surprised at how awesome that weapon is.

[Ghost43]

Someone With Mass wrote...

One thing that's a little funny is that the description for the Vindicator in the script is contradicting itself in the next sentence by saying that it's a three-round burst rifle.

By the way, the description for the Shuriken is also wrong there. It clearly fires six rounds per burst.

Man, if the guy in that video was playing on harcore or insanity, they would die in about 3 seconds.

[Adragalus]

 @Vindicator is 3-round not 5: I know, its a typo in the ME2 description.
@Shuriken is 6-round in ME3: I know, this was the ME2 description.
@crimsontearz: Yes, it does clearly say that. It says "fires TWO SHOTS AT ONCE with high accuracy." that does not sound like a burst. It sounds like a two-shots-at-once gun, which implies nothing about the fire mode.

Modifié par Adragalus, 06 février 2012 - 09:02 .

[AgentMrOrange]

 I want this Gun for ME3

[incinerator950]

I want a Land Shark Gun for ME 3..

Another Banner I need to make. Next to the JP Velociraptor squadmate.