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[AgentMrOrange]

that works too
i'm really looking forward to all the fun new toys shep get to play with

[crimzontearz]

adragalus: people who saw the video can confirm that it is not a full auto weapon

[Yuoaman]

Man, this list is ridiculously exciting.

[Adragalus]

crimzontearz wrote...

adragalus: people who saw the video can confirm that it is not a full auto weapon

What, the N7 Warfare Gear trailer? I saw it too, and it clearly looks like it fires more than 2 bullets in one go, about 3+, and it looked too fast to be multiple bursts.

Look carefully at about 0:46 of this: www.youtube.com/watch

[Someone With Mass]

Ghost43 wrote...

Man, if the guy in that video was playing on harcore or insanity, they would die in about 3 seconds.

The Phantoms killed them all in less than thirty seconds after they showed up.

[Adragalus]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ghost43 wrote...

Man, if the guy in that video was playing on harcore or insanity, they would die in about 3 seconds.

The Phantoms killed them all in less than thirty seconds after they showed up.

Yeah, and then there's that lol. For some reason, the "Vanguard" didn't charge or shotgun them :/

[crimzontearz]

sounds + Visual =/= ingame mechanics

still even if it had longer bursts that still does not make it full auto

[Adragalus]

crimzontearz wrote...

sounds + Visual =/= ingame mechanics

still even if it had longer bursts that still does not make it full auto

...What? That's like telling me that even though you can see the Avenger firing full-auto in gameplay, that doesn't mean it's full auto. It's in gameplay. If it fires full-auto in gameplay, then it's full-auto in the "in-game mechanics." And sound during gameplay is a good tell, especially because DICE is giving Bioware tips for gun audio.

Derp, your whole argument is that it's a two-round burst because of the "fires two bullets at once" thing. I point out that it clearly seems to shoot 3+, and you just say "oh longer bursts doesn't mean it's full auto."

No, it doesn't mean it's full-auto, but it also suggests that it's not a 2-round burst, at which point you have nothing to support the claim that it's burst-fire over the theory that it's semi-auto or full-auto.

[Someone With Mass]

The Argus also seemed horribly inaccurate, since one shot hit the guy in the chest, one in the head and one in the arm.

[crimzontearz]

that is exactly what I am saying

ask a devs about the difference between the visual of a shotgun blast in ME2 and how the system actually works

[Adragalus]

crimzontearz wrote...

that is exactly what I am saying

ask a devs about the difference between the visual of a shotgun blast in ME2 and how the system actually works

But it's not the point. If you look at a shotgun blast in ME2, yeah, there's like 4 pellets and they only hit at about 10 feet. That's way off from real life, I know.

But I'm looking at a gun that recoils and has a muzzle flash at least three times in very quick succession. Are you telling me that just 'cause it goes BRAPAPAP doesn't mean it's three-round burst?

Listen to and look at the Vindicator. Listen to and look at the Shuriken. Listen to and look at any bloody weapon in the game. If it shoots, it makes a noise and a bullet comes out. Whether or not the shotgun spread and # of pellets is the same in coding as it is in gameplay is not relevant.

Whether or not the shotgun goes BLAM and has a single spread of pellets come out (which it does) is relevant. If you fire, bullets come out. If you fire twice, bullets come out twice.

If you fire in a three-round burst, it fires in a three-round burst.

Modifié par Adragalus, 07 février 2012 - 03:57 .

[Adragalus]

Someone With Mass wrote...

The Argus also seemed horribly inaccurate, since one shot hit the guy in the chest, one in the head and one in the arm.

I noticed that too, though it might be possible that he was firing from the hip. (I think Shep was firing on the move in that clip anyway)

[DayusMakhina]

With regards to the N7 Valkyrie, the description from the leak stated it was an upgrade of the Avenger, which is a full auto weapon so you could percieve the same to be true of the Valkyrie from that alone, but the video does make it look like a burst weapon.

Equally, it could be a 2 shot burst weapon too. Yes I realise you hear 3 shots, but each time the camera angle changes to focus on the enemy when you hear the 3rd so could guess that time has simply been rewound so the viewer can effectively see both the firing and the enemy being downed.

Modifié par DayusMakhina, 07 février 2012 - 04:13 .

[Adragalus]

DayusMakhina wrote...

With regards to the N7 Valkyrie, the description from the leak stated it was an upgrade of the Avenger, which is a full auto weapon so you could percieve the same to be true of the Valkyrie from that alone, but the video does make it look like a burst weapon.

Equally, it could be a 2 shot burst weapon too. Yes I realise you hear 3 shots, but each time the camera angle changes to focus on the enemy when you hear the 3rd so could guess that time has simply been rewound so the viewer can effectively see both the firing and the enemy being downed.

Yeah, I figured it was a full-auto because of the description and the Avenger thing. Also, every other burst weapon out there (Shuriken, Vindicator, Incisor, Argus, I'm lookin' at you) specifically says "x-round burst" or "burst fire" in it's description. The Valkyrie says "fires two shots at once, which to me, does not neccesarily suggest burst-fire.

I get what you're saying, but the part of the video I saw (about 0:46) was from normal over-the-shoulder, and it fires at least 3 rounds in one "shot" (as in camera shot, without cuts.) 

That, for me, at least means it's not 2-shot burst.

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

In ME2 the vindicator is said to be an upgrade to the avenger aswell, by the way.

[Adragalus]

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

In ME2 the vindicator is said to be an upgrade to the avenger aswell, by the way.

The base weapons in the game say "upgrades the x," as in, "this weapon is a better assault rifle than the other assault rifle, so it upgrades it,"

Read the descriptions again, they all say that in regard to the previous weapon. (Vindicator about Avenger, Carnifex about Predator, Tempest about Shuriken, Scimitar about Katana, and Viper about Mantis.)

[crimzontearz]

uh...no adragalus....the mechanic (in the game) itself of the shotgun is different than just 4 pellets. In fact they shoot 8 pellets (all shotguns but the GPS) but you only see four. For all you know the same could be happening in ME3

[Adragalus]

crimzontearz wrote...

uh...no adragalus....the mechanic (in the game) itself of the shotgun is different than just 4 pellets. In fact they shoot 8 pellets (all shotguns but the GPS) but you only see four. For all you know the same could be happening in ME3

I am aware of that. What I'm saying is that they all shoot 8 and appear to shoot 4 pellets (this being a matter of ballistics calculations) but they all shoot one blast at a time. Whereas, in the sense of a gun firing semi-auto vs full-auto vs burst (which is a matter of fire mode) appearance and mechanics aren't relevant to each other.

I'm only interested in how it APPEARS to fire, eg. the Vindicator is said to be a burst rifle, and handles like a burst rifle, regardless of whether or not the coding technically makes it a burst rifle. 

Modifié par Adragalus, 07 février 2012 - 04:45 .

[crimzontearz]

Adragalus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote..
uh...no adragalus....the mechanic (in the game) itself of the shotgun is different than just 4 pellets. In fact they shoot 8 pellets (all shotguns but the GPS) but you only see four. For all you know the same could be happening in ME3

I am aware of that. What I'm saying is that they all shoot 8 and appear to shoot 4 pellets (this being a matter of ballistics calculations) but they all shoot one blast at a time. Whereas, in the sense of a gun firing semi-auto vs full-auto vs burst (which is a matter of fire mode) appearance and mechanics aren't relevant to each other.
I'm only interested in how it APPEARS to fire, eg. the Vindicator is said to be a burst rifle, and handles like a burst rifle, regardless of whether or not the coding technically makes it a burst rifle. 

well then....I am sure we will get an answer soon by the devs.....or just as soon as someone gets their hands on the game

[Joel Green]

Hey everyone, to clear a few things up:

As I've mentioned before, the leaked info is not accurate. The final list is different than what was leaked, and some descriptions will have changed. Basically, don't read too much into that info.

Both Argus and Valkyrie are burst weapons. Argus is three round burst, Valkyrie is two.

[crimzontearz]

AH!

hey Joel....any info on the arc pistol?

[Yuoaman]

Joel Green wrote...

Hey everyone, to clear a few things up:

As I've mentioned before, the leaked info is not accurate. The final list is different than what was leaked, and some descriptions will have changed. Basically, don't read too much into that info.

Both Argus and Valkyrie are burst weapons. Argus is three round burst, Valkyrie is two.

But what if I want to read too much into it...?

[Joel Green]

I don't want to stop you from speculating Just trying to prevent people from getting worked up over details that may not even be true.

It's great to see people excited about the weapons though. There are many surprises in store for you.