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[Arrow70]

The PLC wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Why are thermal clips being called "ammo" in the game now? Bioware, you're that desperate for that mindless shooter pew-pew crowd?

Well, what else would you call it? It's ammunition for the guns?!

T-Clips aren't ammuntion at all, They allow the gun to simply eject the overheated heatsink and replace it.

Though two things to Ghost-621,
One, stop whining. It isn't that big of a deal, If this is a game breaker for you then you clearly don't have much invested in the series or care enough to get over it.

And two, you called it ammo not bioware

Well, foolish to get my hopes up. Gotta please just one crowd here I guess, don't you bioware?

Great. More ammo. /sarcasm

Modifié par Arrow70, 20 janvier 2012 - 09:27 .

[Ghost-621]

MELTOR13 wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Why are thermal clips being called "ammo" in the game now? Bioware, you're that desperate for that mindless shooter pew-pew crowd?

I think the better question is why are you still hanging around forums for a company you don't like, *****ing about a game you're not buying?

For starters, you're not getting rid of me. I'll do as I please, meltor.

Secondly, after investing well over 100 dollars and hours into a game trilogy, I'm not going to quietly stand by while it gets butchered for the mindless shooting crowd.

[Ghost-621]

Arrow70 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Why are thermal clips being called "ammo" in the game now? Bioware, you're that desperate for that mindless shooter pew-pew crowd?

Well, what else would you call it? It's ammunition for the guns?!

T-Clips aren't ammuntion at all, They allow the gun to simply eject the overheated heatsink and replace it.

Though two things to Ghost-621,
One, stop whining. It isn't that big of a deal, If this is a game breaker for you then you clearly don't have much invested in the series or care enough to get over it.

And two, you called it ammo not bioware

Well, foolish to get my hopes up. Gotta please just one crowd here I guess, don't you bioware?

Great. More ammo. /sarcasm

You never watched the leaks or recent gameplay footage, then. "You don't care enough cause you don't like t-clips." I find bioware fanboy arguments more and more pathetic.

"Shotgun Spare Ammo."

Anderson in the earth demo. *thermal clip in front of you* "Pick up that spare ammo!" and during the scene where they are waiting on the normandy, "I'm running out of ammo!"

[Savber100]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Why are thermal clips being called "ammo" in the game now? Bioware, you're that desperate for that mindless shooter pew-pew crowd?

...wow 

Just wow. 

That is as retarded as saying that Valve is desperate for "the shooter pew-pew crowd" for referring to the "zero-point energy field manipulator" as the gravity gun. 

Ooohh they're calling it a GUN... So generic and mainstream... totally appealing to the shooter crowds. 

But hey call it whatever you like... it's still a form of ammuntion to kill something. 

Modifié par Savber100, 20 janvier 2012 - 09:34 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Why are thermal clips being called "ammo" in the game now? Bioware, you're that desperate for that mindless shooter pew-pew crowd?

Technically, it is ammunition of a type. So is medi-gel.

[MELTOR13]

Ghost-621 wrote...

For starters, you're not getting rid of me. I'll do as I please, meltor.

Secondly, after investing well over 100 dollars and hours into a game trilogy, I'm not going to quietly stand by while it gets butchered for the mindless shooting crowd.

I mean, you can do whatever you want, I just find it odd. At this point they aren't changing anything, and you're not buying it, so your complaining is just *****ing for the sake of *****ing. 

Generation Entitlement, at it's finest.

Modifié par MELTOR13, 20 janvier 2012 - 09:33 .

[Ghost-621]

MELTOR13 wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

For starters, you're not getting rid of me. I'll do as I please, meltor.

Secondly, after investing well over 100 dollars and hours into a game trilogy, I'm not going to quietly stand by while it gets butchered for the mindless shooting crowd.

I mean, you can do whatever you want, I just find it odd. At this point they aren't changing anything, and you're not buying it, so your complaining is just *****ing for the sake of *****ing. 

Generation Entitlement, at it's finest.

How cute. You know, instead of trying to insult someone on the internet, try, you know, providing an actual intelligent response. 

Then again, I have an opinon that's different than yours, so I'm obviously wrong. Buddy, get over yourself. The self-righteous act isn't fooling anyone.

Also, regarding someone calling my "ammo/shooting crowd" post retarted, no, it isn't. I just value the game lore enough that it bothered me. 

[Arrow70]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Arrow70 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Why are thermal clips being called "ammo" in the game now? Bioware, you're that desperate for that mindless shooter pew-pew crowd?

Well, what else would you call it? It's ammunition for the guns?!

T-Clips aren't ammuntion at all, They allow the gun to simply eject the overheated heatsink and replace it.

Though two things to Ghost-621,
One, stop whining. It isn't that big of a deal, If this is a game breaker for you then you clearly don't have much invested in the series or care enough to get over it.

And two, you called it ammo not bioware

Well, foolish to get my hopes up. Gotta please just one crowd here I guess, don't you bioware?

Great. More ammo. /sarcasm

You never watched the leaks or recent gameplay footage, then. "You don't care enough cause you don't like t-clips." I find bioware fanboy arguments more and more pathetic.

"Shotgun Spare Ammo."

Anderson in the earth demo. *thermal clip in front of you* "Pick up that spare ammo!" and during the scene where they are waiting on the normandy, "I'm running out of ammo!"

Alright maybe it is reffered to as ammo sometimes but is it really that unforgivable?

And

then. "You don't care enough cause you don't like t-clips." I find bioware fanboy arguments more and more pathetic

Not my point at all, What I was saying was that if something so trivial as the incusion of an ammo system makes the game unplayable for then what attracted you to oaly the game in the first time?

You may be a sci-fi fan or came for the story and that's fine, but if a minor change in gameplay is implimented and you can't get over that for the sake of the story that you like then clearly didn't have that much of an attachment to it in the first place.

On a more trival note, How does suggesting ammo isn't such a bad thing turn me into a "Bioware fanboy"? Mass effect and KotOR are the only Bioware games I've ever even played.

[XDMMX]

In ME1, when you go to Nepmos to help Lieutenant Durand fight off the Rachni, some off the Soldiers with her say there running out of ammo.

[Praetor Knight]

I gotta reread the whole thread, but I'd just like to add that the concept of ammo, is actually kinda vague. It's short for ammunition.

And here's two Codex entries:

Small Arms

All modern infantry weapons from pistols to assault rifles use micro-scaled mass accelerator technology. Projectiles consist of tiny metal slugs suspended within a mass-reducing field, accelerated by magnetic force to speeds that inflict kinetic damage.

The ammo magazine is a simple block of metal. The gun's internal computer calculates the mass needed to reach the target based on distance, gravity, and atmospheric pressure, then shears off an appropriate sized slug from the block. A single block can supply thousands of rounds, making ammo a non-issue during any engagement.

Top-line weapons also feature smart targeting that allows them to correct for weather and environment. Firing on a target in a howling gale feels the same as it does on a calm day on a practice range. Smart targeting does not mean a bullet will automatically find the mark every time the trigger is pulled; it only makes it easier for the

Small Arms

Modern infantry weapons are micro-scaled mass accelerators, using mass-reducing fields and magnetic force to propel miniature slugs to lethal speeds. Nearly every gun on the battlefield is laden with features, from targeting auto-assists to projectile shavers that can generate thousands of rounds of ammunition from a small, internal block of metal.

It was long thought that personal weapons had plateaued in performance, but the geth proved all theories wrong. Mathematically reviewing their combat logs, the geth found that in an age of kinetic barriers, most firefights were won by the side who could put the most rounds down-range the fastest. But combatants were forced to deliberately shoot slower to manage waste heat, or pause as their weapons vented.

To eliminate this inefficiency, the geth adopted detachable heat sinks known as thermal clips. While organic arms manufacturers were initially doubtful this would produce a net gain, a well-trained soldier can eject and swap thermal clips in under a second. Faced with superior enemy firepower, organic armies soon followed the geth's lead, and today's battlefields are littered with these thermal clips.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 20 janvier 2012 - 09:40 .

[aksoileau]

It doesn't bother me because anytime I replay ME1 I feel like such a ****** with unlimited ammo and no overheating (with proper mods). They should have just thrown the clips in the first game and then everyone would be happy.

I do not see how this correlates to "the shooting crowd." It just seems more realistic to have some sort of tactical control over bullets than just spamming over and over.

[twisty77]

I don't get why people have their panties in a bunch over thermal clips... I actually like them. You have to strategize rather than just endless firing and whatnot. I get that people don't think it fits lore and all that stuff, but if you want your combat to behave like a shooter(which is a good thing, if it didn't behave like one combat would be horrendous), you need to have ammo.

[Juha81FIN]

aksoileau wrote...
 tactical control over bullets than just spamming over and over.

For this reason and added difficulty I learned to use High Explosive rounds with assault rifles in ME 1 and I never change once I get my hands on those.

[aksoileau]

twisty77 wrote...

I don't get why people have their panties in a bunch over thermal clips... I actually like them. You have to strategize rather than just endless firing and whatnot. I get that people don't think it fits lore and all that stuff, but if you want your combat to behave like a shooter(which is a good thing, if it didn't behave like one combat would be horrendous), you need to have ammo.

I know imagine the Revenant or Mattock with unlimited ammo.  BORING.

[Praetor Knight]

aksoileau wrote...

I know imagine the Revenant or Mattock with unlimited ammo.  BORING.

I'd love to manage the ammo magzine and Thermal Clips, and from what I've read there are new weapons that allow for that.

And check out these two reload techniques.

www.youtube.com/watch - this is relevant for reloading an Ammo Magazine

www.youtube.com/watch - this is relevant for possibly reloading Thermal Clips

So I can imagine an N7 trained Shepard capable of knowing and being able to use such techniques for ME universe weapons!

[jcraft]

Explanation from dev:

Joel Green wrote...

Savber100 wrote...
There's no way that they would have just added the sound by mistake... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

Of course, if Bioware do give some guns that still overheat, I will basically hurl my cash at their direction. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Definitely not a mistake 

When the weapon has overheated, it will produce those sounds and fire nothing but steam until you replace the heatsink with a new one.  This works the same way as it did in ME2, just with better feedback as to what's happening.  It occured to me one night in a dream (not even joking) that the ME1 beeps should be there.  When I put them in, it just felt... right...  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

From this thread: http://social.biowar...index/9029028/5

Modifié par jcraft, 20 janvier 2012 - 10:09 .

[JonathonPR]

Honestly if there is an option that lets me use overheating like it was in the first game I would consider buying ME3 on release and overlook my other concerns with the game. If not I will continue to buy rpg books. With tabletop my gaming group can change the rules to simulate the game world in a way we can enjoy it.

Don't take or replace options. Give or improve options.

I am not talking about a gun mod but a game mode. Like the action, story, and rpg mode. Thermal clip mode or overheat mode. If I have fun playing a level at a different pace than how you designed it but don't have fun playing it the way you intended than why would I buy it? It is single player so everyone can play it how they want. In multiplayer everyone is on the same team. People who like the same style can play together. Have it as a filter when finding groups.

[aksoileau]

JonathonPR wrote...

Honestly if there is an option that lets me use overheating like it was in the first game I would consider buying ME3 on release and overlook my other concerns with the game.
 

That just makes me sad.

[Aimi]

JonathonPR wrote...

Honestly if there is an option that lets me use overheating like it was in the first game I would consider buying ME3 on release and overlook my other concerns with the game. If not I will continue to buy rpg books. With tabletop my gaming group can change the rules to simulate the game world in a way we can enjoy it.

Don't take or replace options. Give or improve options.

I am not talking about a gun mod but a game mode. Like the action, story, and rpg mode. Thermal clip mode or overheat mode. If I have fun playing a level at a different pace than how you designed it but don't have fun playing it the way you intended than why would I buy it? It is single player so everyone can play it how they want. In multiplayer everyone is on the same team. People who like the same style can play together. Have it as a filter when finding groups.

That seems like a colossally large amount of work (rebalancing most of the combat system) for a very small, vocal minority.

As it was, the ME2 team did copious amounts of playtesting with thermal clips, overheating, and a mixture of the two, decided that they didn't like the way overheating and the combined version worked, and just used thermal clips, but they left the other files in the game for anybody to use if they wanted to mod it in. You just had to edit your coalesced.ini file, IIRC. That's about as reasonable as you can have expected them to be on that subject, right?

Anyway, they were right, and it really does flow a lot better with clips.

[incinerator950]

I seem to recall the Codex saying Mass Accelerator based weapons used ammunition in ME 1. Since ME 1 does not run a patch on the Xbox 360, its not going to change.

Even soldiers at the listening post (Rachni attack) asked for ammo. Wrex himself said he ran out of ammo, had to kill a bunch of mercs, and use their crappy guns for a target.

I don't know why this community adores the Heating system.

[Praetor Knight]

^ I posted the Codex entries above.

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

A dev said in an other thread that the overheating sound occurs when you need to reload (I think). Either that or when you're out of thermal clips.

Also, it is a bit silly that the characters call thermal clips "ammo" or say things like "out of ammo" but it's nothing to get angry about.

And overheating was extremely unbalanced. Hook up a heatsink and you could fire for days without overheating. ME1 is so extremely easy because of this.

Joel Green wrote...

Definitely not a mistake 

When
the weapon has overheated, it will produce those sounds and fire nothing but steam until you replace the heatsink with a new one.  This works the same way as it did in ME2, just with better feedback as to what's happening.  It occured to me one night in a dream (not even joking) that the ME1 beeps should be there.  When I put them in, it just felt... right...  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

Modifié par SKiLLYWiLLY2, 20 janvier 2012 - 10:40 .

[djz04]

Geth made thermal clip look at me2 codex for 2 seconds. They were tired of venting so they made clips originally the merchants did not like idea but alliance started thinking that that was a good idea. I love ME1's Vent system :-)