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[nightcobra]

Adhin wrote...

That's Wrex probably. Which is partially same way as it was in ME2. Wrex was either alive, and you saw him as Krogan chief or king or whatever. Or he was dead and some distant brother of his took over and was happy you killed him as it gave him the opportunity to take over.

or grunt, it seems to make more sense that wrex would be leading his krogan army against the reapers since he's their leader and grunt has shepard as his battlemaster making him honorbound to follow him into the gates of hell 

[Confused-Shepard]

Sounds Interesting. I hope the Reaper mini-game happens to involve Freelancer style dogfights!

Also, (2) At the start, people on the Citadel will believe that the war isn't their problem. This will drastically change in the course of the story

**** YOU! It's not just Earth you nimrods! You're beloved Thessia, Palaven & Sur'Kesh are under attack as well. The Reapers are destroying EVERYTHING! Let those idiots burn! I don't give a **** anymore. I'll have Samara/Liara hijack the Destiny Ascension to be used in the war effort

[Icinix]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

Sounds Interesting. I hope the Reaper mini-game happens to involve Freelancer style dogfights!

Also, (2) At the start, people on the Citadel will believe that the war isn't their problem. This will drastically change in the course of the story

**** YOU! It's not just Earth you nimrods! You're beloved Thessia, Palaven & Sur'Kesh are under attack as well. The Reapers are destroying EVERYTHING! Let those idiots burn! I don't give a **** anymore. I'll have Samara/Liara hijack the Destiny Ascension to be used in the war effort

Maybe early in the story though its only Earth that is being attacked.

Perhaps the Reapers don't start their offensive elsewhere until a point later on in the story.

[Someone With Mass]

Icinix wrote...

Maybe early in the story though its only Earth that is being attacked.

Perhaps the Reapers don't start their offensive elsewhere until a point later on in the story.

Yeah. Like...the day after, when they attack Palaven and Thessia.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Ieldra2 wrote...

"GameStar" is a German games magazine, one of the reputable ones. The February issue which I have just gotten has a long article about Mass Effect 3. I don't know how much of this is already known. Here are a few snippets:

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(11) There will be no "Reapers win" scenario, based on the reasoning that such an ending is unsatisfying for players and would lead to re-loading a saved game anyway. There will, however, be endings where whole species become extinct and many worlds are destroyed, including Earth.

That right there is what i'm talking about. I honestly thought they would turn Earth into a Mary Sue. Unless this "Earth Destroyed" ending is like the Shepard dying ending of ME 2, meaning you basically failed anyway.

[nightcobra]

if a mass relay explosion wipes out an entire solar system i wonder what would happen if we evacuated the colonies of a system and lured the reapers to be in the blast radius distance...
gonna make them go out with a bang XD

[CroGamer002]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

(11) There will be no "Reapers win" scenario, based on the reasoning that such an ending is unsatisfying for players and would lead to re-loading a saved game anyway. There will, however, be endings where whole species become extinct and many worlds are destroyed, including Earth.

Some people would call that a "Reapers win" scenario.

Reapers don't seek to destroy, they seek to survive and "evolve" other species.

and then integrating them into their own society as new reapers, resulting in the loss of that species civilization.

But they honestly believe that's a good thing.


They're not doing to hear you scream, but to help everyone and at the same time survive.

Reapers aren't really evil, like some people claim.


Sure, I'm not saying we should roll over and let them do what they do.
Just saying they aren't evil, at least not in traditional sense.

[Icinix]

Mesina2 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

(11) There will be no "Reapers win" scenario, based on the reasoning that such an ending is unsatisfying for players and would lead to re-loading a saved game anyway. There will, however, be endings where whole species become extinct and many worlds are destroyed, including Earth.

Some people would call that a "Reapers win" scenario.

Reapers don't seek to destroy, they seek to survive and "evolve" other species.

and then integrating them into their own society as new reapers, resulting in the loss of that species civilization.

But they honestly believe that's a good thing.


They're not doing to hear you scream, but to help everyone and at the same time survive.

Reapers aren't really evil, like some people claim.


Sure, I'm not saying we should roll over and let them do what they do.
Just saying they aren't evil, at least not in traditional sense.

The way I see it - they're about as evil as a bird that eats the last fruit on the last tree on an island made up of an erupting volcano.

The tree will die, the fruit will be gone, but the bird might crap it out later on and a seedling start elsewhere - thus saving the trees genus. Well, not quite like that.

[Icinix]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Maybe early in the story though its only Earth that is being attacked.

Perhaps the Reapers don't start their offensive elsewhere until a point later on in the story.

Yeah. Like...the day after, when they attack Palaven and Thessia.

Really? Where does it say that?

Regarldess, the game might hold the story progression until after you first go to the citadel anyway.

[nightcobra]

Mesina2 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

(11) There will be no "Reapers win" scenario, based on the reasoning that such an ending is unsatisfying for players and would lead to re-loading a saved game anyway. There will, however, be endings where whole species become extinct and many worlds are destroyed, including Earth.

Some people would call that a "Reapers win" scenario.

Reapers don't seek to destroy, they seek to survive and "evolve" other species.

and then integrating them into their own society as new reapers, resulting in the loss of that species civilization.

But they honestly believe that's a good thing.


They're not doing to hear you scream, but to help everyone and at the same time survive.

Reapers aren't really evil, like some people claim.


Sure, I'm not saying we should roll over and let them do what they do.
Just saying they aren't evil, at least not in traditional sense.

it's a matter of perspective, good for them, very bad for us.

[CroGamer002]

^Exactly.

[Random citizen]

Its somewhat disappointing that the reapers can not win. Them winning would not automatically mean the end of all civilisation if the Ilos strategy could be repeated more effectively somewhere. A Noah's Ark type of scenario.

[Wulfram]

Making the Council that stupid seems like bad writing, I wish they'd get away from the model of punishing people for having sensible priorities rather than obsessively completing all the sidequests before doing main quests, and the "stick to your principles" stuff is worrying.

[Bad King]

ttchip wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
(4) If you enter Reaper-controlled territory, there's a chance the Reapers will try to hunt you down and you must do something to avoid them. That's referred to as a minigame.

what i'm curious about is what'll happen if you fail at that minigame. will you die? i'd certainly hope it'll be possible to die because of a minigame

It'll be like pacman- the Normandy will have to flee from reapers but grabbing thanix cannons will allow you to turn the tables.

[nightcobra]

Mesina2 wrote...

^Exactly.

though they're not doing this to help us evolve, they're doing this to help themselves not stagnate, the goal of their invasions is to help create new civilizations only to harvest them later in order to gain more variety in their new reapers in order to keep "evolving". 

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 21 janvier 2012 - 12:40 .

[Confused-Shepard]

Bad King wrote...

ttchip wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
(4) If you enter Reaper-controlled territory, there's a chance the Reapers will try to hunt you down and you must do something to avoid them. That's referred to as a minigame.

what i'm curious about is what'll happen if you fail at that minigame. will you die? i'd certainly hope it'll be possible to die because of a minigame

It'll be like pacman- the Normandy will have to flee from reapers but grabbing thanix cannons will allow you to turn the tables.

Oh god that sounds awesome! Please Bioware! do this! +1 Internet for you sir / madam / thing

Wulfram wrote...

Making the Council that stupid seems like bad writing, I wish they'd get away from the model of punishing people for having sensible priorities rather than obsessively completing all the sidequests before doing main quests, and the "stick to your principles" stuff is worrying.

Well I guess I will be vising every single planet/doing all side-missions just in case the game pulls a Horizon or Collector Ship style compulsory, immidiate mission thing. Watch for major plot points and ignore them until the last moment.

[CroGamer002]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^Exactly.

though they're not doing this to help us evolve, they're doing this to help themselves not stagnate, the goal of their invasions is to help create new civilizations only to harvest them later in order to gain more variety in their new reapers in order to keep "evolving". 

They do believe that's a good thing.

Like organics would never archive this "complete evolution" by themselves, so want to help even though they are forcing them.
Plus to become a Reaper, your civilizations has to be gone.
Not exactly something to someone would accept, who isn't insane or indoctrinated, that is.

Though Reaper minds are beyond out comprehensions.
It is possible what they're doing is good for us.


Though then again, when we become something completely different, are we still us?





Hmh, this is a nice subject for good debate.

[Random citizen]

Wulfram wrote...

Making the Council that stupid seems like bad writing, I wish they'd get away from the model of punishing people for having sensible priorities rather than obsessively completing all the sidequests before doing main quests, and the "stick to your principles" stuff is worrying.

"-Ah yes, the giant scary looking spaceships that wiped out Earth defenses and you call reapers...
A human problem. I dont see how that concerns us? "

Modifié par Random citizen, 21 janvier 2012 - 01:08 .

[TobyHasEyes]

 Never really taken to the idea that the Reapers' minds are "beyond our comprehension"

 They are a more sophisticated technology than we possess, and have a better awareness of manipulating gennetic material and dark matter etc. (so it would seem), but that is not an intelligence beyond comprehension

 Would need to hear better arguments in favour of 'Reaper-isation' than we have heard so far to consider it being anything like a good idea, or anything like acceptable to most moral systems

[Random citizen]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 Never really taken to the idea that the Reapers' minds are "beyond our comprehension"

 They are a more sophisticated technology than we possess, and have a better awareness of manipulating gennetic material and dark matter etc. (so it would seem), but that is not an intelligence beyond comprehension

 Would need to hear better arguments in favour of 'Reaper-isation' than we have heard so far to consider it being anything like a good idea, or anything like acceptable to most moral systems

Superintelligences are very hard to describe, especially in Space-operaish sci-fi where the hero can win without the help of other superinteligences.

[Sebbe1337o]

@ (2)

"Ah yes, 'Reapers!'"

Edit: A lot of this sounds incredibly good. That we have all the time in the world for sidequests is awesome imo - Completionist as I am lol.

Modifié par Sebbe1337o, 21 janvier 2012 - 01:26 .

[TobyHasEyes]

 Don't know what reason we have to conclude that Reapers ARE a 'superintelligence' of a kind that is beyond our understanding

 I don't mind it as a literary device, or a plot device, effectively saying "just accept it" when you are presented with a motivation that doesn't seem to make sense, I just don't then conclude that it is a real-world legitimate argument

[angry_peon]

I got the feeling that #2 does not necessarily describes the council, but the general populace of the Citadel. "Sorry about you guys, but glad it didn't hit us!" is a fairly realistic and common feeling when it comes to catastrophes.
Later in the game same people will change their opinion, because it becomes more and more clear that the Reapers will hit them eventually (or have actually done so at some point).

[aj2070]

CptData wrote...

Thanks Ieldra2.

I'm a bit sad we won't see a "total destruction & defeat" scenario since that also reduces the chances for a "perfect ending". *cough* spoilers *cough*

I agree.  Some people may want to try for the ultimate fail; kind of like Shepard and the entire team dying at the end of Mass Effect 2 just to see if they could do it.  I never did but still.