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[Clover Rider]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
As for Zoro being the most powerful you are very close, Luffy is weak to swords and can be cut down, in a Luffy vs Zoro fight it would be hard to guess who would win but One Piece already did that and Nami was the winner.

But we are not talking about them fighting we are talking about who the most powerful and it is Luffy, for his endurance and how fast he is(and don't forget the magic willpower Haki stuff). Luffy almost lost to Lucci even with the high endurance and speed that he has, as for Zoro he was more or less out of power from just fighting Kaku(do you hate Zoro fighting the second strongest bad guys all the time as well?:innocent:) who is in no way as strong as Lucci, so you think slow Zoro would of won going at Lucci?

Yes, I hate it. I hate everything you mentioned there.

Tehy way its' setup it it downright screams: "LOOk, THIS HERE IS THE MAIN PROTAGONIST. EVEN THE UNVIERSE KNOWS IT!"

So it's not always a most powerful thing but when it comes to the main bad guys it is and you are going to want Luffy for them.

No, why would I always want Luffy? Mix it up for crying out loud.

What you hate the fact that Nami is stronger than Luffy and Zoro?

And really it is not so much setup for the unvierse to know he is the main character(other things do that), it is more set up to show how Luffy has to be the toughest and strongest because his goals are the hardest.

The fights of One Piece are not even why the series is good to begin with.

I did not mean you as in "you" and still you need the big guns to fight big guns with, also once more he is the main character most things are from his point of view, so you are going to get him a lot, that is not a hard thing to get. As for mixing things up what do you think the Marineford arc was?

[Lotion Soronarr]

I don't buy any of the "explanations"...or should I say "excuses".

Pointless to argue really.
Here's another nice clip:

[Clover Rider]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I don't buy any of the "explanations"...or should I say "excuses".

Pointless to argue really.
Here's another nice clip:

Why is that? that you don't buy into them?

It's not pointless debate unless you make it out to be.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

 The writers behind Clannad After Story really know how to pull at the heartstrings. Episode 12, many manly tears were shed on my part.

Modifié par Andarthiel_Demigod, 28 janvier 2012 - 03:06 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Some Geth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I don't buy any of the "explanations"...or should I say "excuses".

Pointless to argue really.
Here's another nice clip:

Why is that? that you don't buy into them?

It's not pointless debate unless you make it out to be.

It's pointless because it is.
I won't suddenly start to like Luffy, regardless fo what you say or do.

It doesn't work that way. And neither do I agree with your explanatiosn of "why it must be that way". Because there is no "must".

[eroeru]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

 The writers behind Clannad After Story really know how to pull at the heartstrings. Episode 12, many manly tears were shed on my part.

Now Clannad and Kanon (and Air, though I didn't enjoy that one as much) are good examples of very likeable naivete - and nostalgia for this perfect simple feeling - in my opinion. It works well, and is quite believable-like. Ordinary people feeling ordinary things intensified x 10. (though I must say they seem more good-willed than actual people, which is also a large part of the charm)


@ Lotion and Some Geth

I cannot really say anything about One Piece, but the really interesting thing about Dragon Ball is that Goku fights most end-fights, but it is entirely unexpected. The plot takes hefty twists and doesn't really make any of it easy to figure out. Goku is not stronger than his enemies, even, and needs some special solution to deal with them, but the soultion is always an interesting one, though (in parts because) very often the kid just needs to train under a new angle, or find a guy who's stronger than him in order to find the solution for improvement.

But as to the fights themselves, it is sheer willpower at works, but he has never won only by that. There's always some plot twist behind everything, but it all starts out with Goku being actually strong (with much potential). Now he just has to find a way to realize it. And he loses lots of times, as do all others.

Modifié par eroeru, 28 janvier 2012 - 10:38 .

[eroeru]

I gave Naruto a try for a change, from episode 30, exactly where I had left it.

It is terrible, for most parts.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Gurris wrote...

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

 The writers behind Clannad After Story really know how to pull at the heartstrings. Episode 12, many manly tears were shed on my part.

Think I cried in almost every episode from there on til' the end. Brace yourself 

Yea, I know what you mean, I spoilt the story for myself a little by reading up a bit on  Wikipedia(Nagisa and Tomoya don't really get much of a happy ending)
What got to me about Episode 12 is the tragedy of Yoshino's rock star career and how he ended up losing his "path". 
@eoreru
Agreed about Clanna and Kanon(haven't seen Kanon myself but might check it out later)

Modifié par Andarthiel_Demigod, 28 janvier 2012 - 11:03 .

[Clover Rider]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I don't buy any of the "explanations"...or should I say "excuses".

Pointless to argue really.
Here's another nice clip:

Why is that? that you don't buy into them?

It's not pointless debate unless you make it out to be.

It's pointless because it is.
I won't suddenly start to like Luffy, regardless fo what you say or do.

It doesn't work that way. And neither do I agree with your explanatiosn of "why it must be that way". Because there is no "must".

But that is the thing I never set out to make you like Luffy, I set out to show you or others why you are wrong about him.

And yeah there is a "must" to One Piece, you think Luffy is not going to fight Blackbeard and Sasazuki one day for what they did? or look at the past, did you think Ace didn't have to die? or how everyone one on the crew had to join because Luffy said so? or how Whitebeard will still be the strongest character even in death?

What is most funny is how you dodge the rest of the reasons I give you on why Luffy fights the main bads.

But once more the fights are not even why Luff is a good character or One Piece is good to begin with.

It's not hard to understand a kid's story, this is not Watchmen or Lone Wolf and Cub.

So again, the debate is only pointless if you make it pointless.

@eroeru Most of Luffy's fights are sort of like the Goku's fights you are talking about.

Modifié par Some Geth, 29 janvier 2012 - 02:40 .

[eroeru]

Some Geth wrote...

@eroeru Most of Luffy's fights are sort of like the Goku's fights you are talking about.

As I suspected.

Sad that the anime has that terrible pace to it - and that I'm not used to reading manga at this moment. Would definitely give One Piece another shot - only to find out what so many like about it. The art-work also seems better than it did to a two-years-younger me, i.e. I'm actually not annoyed by it when see the occasional outtake, today.

[FutureBoy81]

eroeru wrote...

I gave Naruto a try for a change, from episode 30, exactly where I had left it.

It is terrible, for most parts.

Speak for yourself naruto has one of the better character development of an anime series, and the mangas really reachng an apex for the story, shame about bleach though, where the term milk it would be an understatement for what the mangkatas doing to that story

[Clover Rider]

eroeru wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

@eroeru Most of Luffy's fights are sort of like the Goku's fights you are talking about.

As I suspected.

Sad that the anime has that terrible pace to it - and that I'm not used to reading manga at this moment. Would definitely give One Piece another shot - only to find out what so many like about it. The art-work also seems better than it did to a two-years-younger me, i.e. I'm actually not annoyed by it when see the occasional outtake, today.

The pace was fine for the first 130 episodes or I should say 121 if you cut out the anime only filler episodes. But then after that the pace goes from good to bad to good again to bad again and so on, it's all over the place.

I myself like One Piece for it's great adventure, great worldbuilding, nice character development and yeah the great art, it's really good for a weekly.

From great color spreads.



To great backgrounds.

http://www.mangaread...ne-piece/612/12 keep in mind all this art being online drops the quality anywhere from 20% to 40%.

Say what you want about One Piece but Eiichiro Oda can really draw.
I even have a One Piece art book that has a realistic spread of Nami from over ten years ago, if Oda ever wanted to do realistic art again he would be ten time better now from all the years of work.

As for the anme's art and animation, it varies from the animation directors and animators, this is a good video to show all of their styles as of now.

 

So some of them get the feel of Oda's art and some of them do their own thing, I like Naoki Tate a lot because he gets a good feel for Oda's art and has his own style.

@FutureBoy81 Naruto has really bad character development I mean look at the Nine-tails and Naruto's brofist.:innocent:

Modifié par Some Geth, 29 janvier 2012 - 09:40 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Some Geth wrote...
But that is the thing I never set out to make you like Luffy, I set out to show you or others why you are wrong about him.

I'm not wrong about him..But feel free to belive otherwise.

What is most funny is how you dodge the rest of the reasons I give you on why Luffy fights the main bads.

I'm not dodging anything. I already told you they don't hold water for me.

[eroeru]

Some Geth wrote...

The pace was fine for the first 130 episodes or I should say 121 if you cut out the anime only filler episodes. But then after that the pace goes from good to bad to good again to bad again and so on, it's all over the place.

Hmm... maybe what I really mean is the content per ep. I was really frustrated and tired about "recap - guys shouting out nonsense - absurd fight - more shouting - more of the fight - recap - x10", for 90%, if not 100% of most episodes. But I imagine that if I read it, I could pace the fights more towards my expectations...

[Clover Rider]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
But that is the thing I never set out to make you like Luffy, I set out to show you or others why you are wrong about him.

I'm not wrong about him..But feel free to belive otherwise.

What is most funny is how you dodge the rest of the reasons I give you on why Luffy fights the main bads.

I'm not dodging anything. I already told you they don't hold water for me.

I give up.

You not understanding what a simple kid's story is or Luffy's character or what a main character is, is not my problem.

@eroeru Well one manga chapter is what like 16 to 18 pages that can take anywhere from 2 to 5 minutes to read, one episode is really just 17 to 20 minutes so you can see how it can be a problem when the show gets close to the manga and has to make one episode out of one chapter.

Modifié par Some Geth, 29 janvier 2012 - 10:04 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

City Hunter funny clips:
www.youtube.com/watch


GTO:
www.youtube.com/watch

[eroeru]

Hey, Geth, what do you think about NGE? And titles such as Baccano!, Ergo Proxy, FLCL, Katanagatari, Clannad, Eden of the East, Ghost Hound, .hack/SIGN, Noein? What's your take on the more dystopic titles, as Texhnolyze (everyone else is as welcome to add their perspective)?

These must be some of my favorites, in the long run. But I don't see you liking some of them... (just would want to have a summary about these, coming from another's viewpoint)...

Modifié par eroeru, 29 janvier 2012 - 07:34 .

[slimgrin]

Gurris wrote...

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

 The writers behind Clannad After Story really know how to pull at the heartstrings. Episode 12, many manly tears were shed on my part.

Think I cried in almost every episode from there on til' the end. Brace yourself 

I'll have to check this one out. As for me, I can't watch the end of Gun Slinger Girl without getting choked up.



Also, Ebert talking about Grave of the Fireflies. Very perceptive stuff.

Modifié par slimgrin, 29 janvier 2012 - 07:41 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

I can't take Gunslinger Girl seriously. Kiddy assasins? With machineguns?

Pfft....

[slimgrin]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I can't take Gunslinger Girl seriously. Kiddy assasins? With machineguns?

Pfft....

That's what I said at first. Watch  the first or second episode. Give it a chance, it's not what you think it is.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Some Geth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
But that is the thing I never set out to make you like Luffy, I set out to show you or others why you are wrong about him.

I'm not wrong about him..But feel free to belive otherwise.

What is most funny is how you dodge the rest of the reasons I give you on why Luffy fights the main bads.

I'm not dodging anything. I already told you they don't hold water for me.

I give up.

You not understanding what a simple kid's story is or Luffy's character or what a main character is, is not my problem.

Just because he has different opinions about the show doesn't mean you can force him to like it. Some people like it, some people don't.It all comes down to personal taste.

[eroeru]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...
Just because he has different opinions about the show doesn't mean you can force him to like it. Some people like it, some people don't.It all comes down to personal taste.

Hahaha...:happy:

He just said he gave up on it, yet now you bring up the topic.

I think Lotion has seen a lot of One Piece, so Geth was just discussing the show, wanting to "get his opinion through" to Lotion. I do believe much of dislike most things get is based on not getting it, so this kind of position can be alright.

[eroeru]

GITS, Black Lagoon and the good old Dragon Ball are absolutely fantastic.

By the way, your sig is real cool. A motorized Chaos theory! (Y) (call me crazy, but I did love the Mako more than the main game)