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#2501
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The worst thing about all of this is Naruto is going to beat Madara and Obito the same way he beat Nagato, by talking them out of their evil ways. Because Naruto is Jesus now.

Thematics is the most vital component to demonstrating Naruto's terrible writing, I think and that alone could account for a shutdown.

Naruto has frequently become contrary to its own themes (you could pull tons of dialogue out of the Pain saga that absolutely makes no sense with prior ideas), or become such a slave to demonstrating new themes that it retcons or revises preivously established information (i.e. Gaara's "oh his village DID love him all along!" plot which is basically idiotic because it defined his character and he ALREADY GOT PAST THAT).

They really are confused.

Naruto started as an episodic series where small teams of ninja perform tasks for important higher ups-- effectively a heroes-for-hire scenario. The reason the Zabuza arc was so magnificent was because it entirely worked with the context of the series at that time (before it basically erases any non-ninja entities in the series), had very well-established and defined heroes and villains whose writing worked together to have a theme that related entirely to Naruto as a main character. The villains themselves were even very balanced too if you want to account for characterization. When at the end, Zabuza betrays Gato for the "benefit" of the main characters, it is entirely organic with where his character was headed.

It even had some pretty tragic elements to it that did tug at the heart strings and it's all because of how tightly put together it was. Kishimoto would continuously try and try again to revisit the themes of companionship and loyalty and etc, but he would never again have reasons why. They would continue to get hamfisted and nonsensical as his world continued to fall apart (at this point in the story, the whole Ninja Villages thing has completely and entirely lost any believability as an entity and is basically floating in a void of non-narrative) and his characters began to eat themselves alive.

It's all just a product of distillation and he just cannot keep up with where his series needed to go past that first EPISODIC storyline. Serialization is a really hard thing to work with and most shonen fighting series in general don't do a great job of consistency.

@Arch Even if a Zetus got Obito for Madara it's still all too convenient, Obito being alive is convenient and the fact that he was close to where Madara was, is also convenient.

Modifié par Some Geth, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:42 .


#2502
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Can't really disagree with the post above. It's really painful too, since Kishimoto has shown that he can do good writing with great pacing, if he puts his mind to it (or knows what makes it good), but the series has gone so downhill, that I doubt we'll see anything good of the series. The war arc was a pretty devestating finishing blow, what with the needless retcon of Gaara's family really loving him, and the edo tensei bs.

Hakus and Zabusas original endings were as perfect as Kishimoto could have made them in my opinion (and it also made me cry like a little girl), then boom, they are resurrected so Kishimoto can show how badass Kakashi is by defeating their carcasses offscreen.

Really the only redeeming factor the series could get in my eyes is if Orochimaru (and lol for him being alive again) replaces Madara and Obito as the main antagonist, because really I'd rather take an antagonist wishing for world dominance simply because he's just so ********* greedy, than the sorry excuse of: BOOHOO, you couldn't protect my 11 year old girlfriend, who I loved so much...... even though I'm just a little brat who probably doesn't even know what the word even means.....

Oh and please, don't let that Sasuke guy get away with the things he's done, seriously the kage summit arc was so damning that.... Who am I kidding, everything's gonna be roses and sunshine, just let Naruto talk him out of it <_<.

Modifié par Mystic dream, 20 septembre 2012 - 09:27 .


#2503
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Obito and Madara are almost done now, so Orochimaru will the next main antagonist to be talked out of his evil ways.

Then Sasuke will take over as the main antagonist and guess what? Naruto will talk him out of it!

Naruto is the best antagonist protagonist ever!

Modifié par Some Geth, 20 septembre 2012 - 09:37 .


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If the creator really tried he could carry the story on for one more short arc with Orochimoru, Kabuto, and Sasuke being the main antagonists.

I'm interested to see what they do with Anko. Kabuto had something planned for her after she was captured.

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 I can only imagine what the relationship would be like between Sasuke and Sakura if they end up together. They have tried to kill each other, what, 3 times already, and they're not even married yet. :lol:

Modifié par Mystic dream, 20 septembre 2012 - 09:52 .


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Anko was just there so Kishi could bring Orochimaru back. Of course nobody cares that he is back.

He is worse than Voldemort when it comes to staying dead.=]

Modifié par Some Geth, 20 septembre 2012 - 10:09 .


#2507
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Some Geth wrote...

Obito and Madara are almost done now, so Orochimaru will be the next main antagonist to be talked out of his evil ways.

Then Sasuke will take over as the main antagonist and guess what? Naruto will talk him out of it!

Naruto is the best antagonist protagonist ever!

Madara

Madara: Blah, blah, winners, losers, blah, blah, Hashirama, blah, blah, Moon's Eye Plan.

Naruto: If i was alive back then i would have voted for you...Believe it.

Madara:(eyes start tearing up)SUPER RINNE HYPER TENSEI!!!!!!!!(sacrifices soul to revive everyone that died during the war.)

Obito

Obito: She wouldn't love me! It was always Kakashi, it was always him!...Whyyyyyy!?(sobs)

Naruto:(speaks some cliched speech about his feelings for Sakura, and hers for Sasuke. Also a superficial comparison between Rin, and Sakura is thrown in for good measure.)

Obito: (Teleports himself, and whatever threat there is to the world at the moment into the sun, Goku style.)

The rest are too painful to type, but i wouldn't be suprised if the above happens.



Modifié par The Hierophant, 20 septembre 2012 - 11:08 .


#2508
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I still can't get over Nagato... I mean it's bad when Jiraiya says it but if Naruto says it, Nagato just buys it.

Also who would Madara bring back to life? Tsunade maybe. No one else with a name has died in this war, I mean sure half of all the Ninja forces are dead now, but nobody in the story cared about the deaths.=]

Now that I think about it, every character in Naruto is a jerk or at least too stupid to understand anything.

Modifié par Some Geth, 20 septembre 2012 - 10:36 .


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Mystic dream wrote...

 I can only imagine what the relationship would be like between Sasuke and Sakura if they end up together. They have tried to kill each other, what, 3 times already, and they're not even married yet. :lol:


Sounds like they were meant for each other! Naruto has the best romance plots. :wub:

#2510
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Yeah Naruto x Sasuke is Kishi's OTP:wub:

Modifié par Some Geth, 20 septembre 2012 - 10:40 .


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Some Geth wrote...

I still can't get over Nagato... I mean it's bad when Jiraiya says it but if Naruto says it, Nagato just buys it.

Also who would Madara bring back to life? Tsunade maybe. No one else with a name has died in this war, I mean sure half of all the Ninja forces are dead now, but nobody in the story cared about the deaths.=]

Now that I think about it, every character in Naruto is a jerk or at least too stupid to understand anything.


Not Hinata!

#2512
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Arch1eviathan wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

I still can't get over Nagato... I mean it's bad when Jiraiya says it but if Naruto says it, Nagato just buys it.

Also who would Madara bring back to life? Tsunade maybe. No one else with a name has died in this war, I mean sure half of all the Ninja forces are dead now, but nobody in the story cared about the deaths.=]

Now that I think about it, every character in Naruto is a jerk or at least too stupid to understand anything.


Not Hinata!

Who?

#2513
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That was mean.lol

#2514
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Lol. don't forget that Nagato revived all of Konoha, fodder like F you ninja and Kakashi who shouldn't have died to begin with.

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Arch1eviathan wrote...

That was mean.lol

Mean but true.

@The Hierophant Yeah I know, I try to forget it but I still know.

Modifié par Some Geth, 21 septembre 2012 - 12:59 .


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Logan Cloud wrote...

We never talk about anything I recognize.


That's because conversations always come back to the same few (crappy) anime.
Naruto. Bleach. Pokemon. Digimon. Wahteverz.

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Bleach is the best anime of all time!

OF ALL TIME!

#2518
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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

We never talk about anything I recognize.


That's because conversations always come back to the same few (crappy) anime.
Naruto. Bleach. Pokemon. Digimon. Wahteverz.



I am pretty sure Logan(and everyone) can recognize those shows.

And when has anyone here talked about Digimon?

Modifié par Some Geth, 21 septembre 2012 - 09:49 .


#2519
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Bleach is the best anime of all time!

OF ALL TIME!!!



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Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 21 septembre 2012 - 10:09 .


#2520
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LOL RANDOM SPAM.

Anything(hopefully nothing stupid) else to add?

Modifié par Some Geth, 21 septembre 2012 - 10:07 .


#2521
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Uuh. Raage. Funky.

#2522
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Nothing random about my post.

Oh, and someoen said party? I might be a bit late, but we need music. I know a good band:

WATCH ME

#2523
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Some Geth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

We never talk about anything I recognize.


That's because conversations always come back to the same few (crappy) anime.
Naruto. Bleach. Pokemon. Digimon. Wahteverz.



I am pretty sure Logan(and everyone) can recognize those shows.

And when has anyone here talked about Digimon?


me tokin abot it!

Digimon is the best anime series for middle school kids :wizard:

#2524
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^ It is really. Elementary through middle school it was great.

#2525
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The first Digimon show is great. The second show is horrible. The 3rd is great. The 4th is pretty good. Show number 5 is Toei being an idiot. Show 6 starts off with no real personalty but it gets somewhat better as it goes on, it's style is kind of like Gurren Lagann.

Modifié par Some Geth, 21 septembre 2012 - 11:47 .