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[Chewin]

Fate/Stay Night

 

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Well as it turn out, yet another solid episode on the shows part (I bet I have started every review like this...). 

 

This was a more dialog focused episode--giving more exposition on the War and emphasis on characters--which was what I expected and I am glad for it. It goes without saying that one of the best things about this series so far is how it has managed to subtly convey important channels for providing characterization and playing out conflicts. The show has managed to mix between action oriented scenes with dialog heavy quite astutely, which is vital since the entirety of the Grail War is as much battles of manipulation between their participants as they are dogfights between the Servants. I never feel bored while watching this show, even when it is about stuff that I am already fairly aware of and this is due to the show's unique ability to convey information visually (through character movement, spatial arrangement within a shot, musical backdrop, etc). 

 

The opening scene with Illya was rather interesting. I had completely forgotten about her relationship with Kiritsugu and Iris, and considering her position and unawareness of what they both went through, this has the potential for some interesting plot points and development, both for her and Emiya. Very pleased to see Rin being proactive--constantly doing something and planning ahead of things. Glad to see Archer pointing out and pressing Rin on her relationship with Shirou and where she truly stands. She can't simply keep on spouting about seeing him as an enemy without ever actually acting on her words, so having him being active on reminding her on her position and what will she do if a specific scenario pops up is something I am truly enjoying. Rin and Archer both are characters I am enjoying the most and I can't wait to see how the story continues.

 

[Chewin]

Mandatory gifs post.

 

 

Ah yes, economics...

 

 

Totally not the reason why I am a student of economics.

 

*cough*

 

EDIT: Reminds me I have to get to Mayouu Maou Yuusha (or however you spell it).

[Mr.House]

Sakura-chan is jelly of Saber.

[Mr.House]

I take it you have watched Fate/Zero Chewin?

[Chewin]

Sakura-chan is jelly of Saber.

 

Someone should do a video how her everytime saying "Sempai".

 

Seriously, it is in every scene with Shirou.

[Chewin]

I take it you have watched Fate/Zero Chewin?

 

I have. Anything specific you are referring to?

[Saber Wolf]

 The show has managed to mix between action oriented scenes with dialog heavy quite astutely, which is vital since the entirety of the Grail War is as much battles of manipulation between their participants as they are dogfights between the Servants.

 

Precisely, and I am very glad for this.

 

And what is this!? No love for Shirou / Saber!? You wound me, Chewin 

 

EDIT: And yes, do get to Demon King and Hero. It is very good and I am sure you'd enjoy it.

[Mr.House]

I have. Anything specific you are referring to?

Nah was just checking since you manged to catch some more nods to Fate/Zero.

[Mr.House]

Precisely, and I am very glad for this.

 

And what is this!? No love for Shirou / Saber!? You wound me, Chewin 

 

EDIT: And yes, do get to Demon King and Hero. It is very good and I am sure you'd enjoy it.

Everyone knows Rin is best Fate girl.

[CrazyRah]

Rin and Archer has so far proven far more interesting than Shirou and Saber. While Saber herself is interesting she's getting dragged down quite a bit by Shirou. He's a nice and friendly guy that tempt fate a little bit like in this weeks episode. Shirou you just don't say that..

 

[Zeroth Angel]

Everyone knows Rin is best Fate girl.

While I agree. 

Deredere Rin > Tsundere Rin

 

 

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[Il Divo]

Rin and Archer has so far proven far more interesting than Shirou and Saber. While Saber herself is interesting she's getting dragged down quite a bit by Shirou. He's a nice and friendly guy that tempt fate a little bit like in this weeks episode. Shirou you just don't say that..

 

 

Agreed, but I also think that's because Archer actively pushes Rin's buttons about how soft she is when it comes to dealing with their adversaries. Although we know Shirou does have a hero complex, outside of Kirei manipulating him, we haven't really seen that plot point tested just yet, likewise with Saber. I'm sure it'll come back all in a big way regarding her history with Kiritsugu and her current state of mind. 

[Chewin]

Precisely, and I am very glad for this.

 

And what is this!? No love for Shirou / Saber!? You wound me, Chewin 

 

Sure, I am enjoying their scenes together as much as the next person, but they have both taken a step back in favor for Rin / Archer (which I think is a good thing).

 

Naturally I hope the relationship between Shirou / Saber will be delved upon as well and put into the limelight, since so far it has mostly been rather subtle and in the background of things. This was actually the very first episode where Saber got some proper characterization in the show. I did enjoy how this particular episode took up Saber and her identity and how it is best that she remains unknown to Shirou. What struck me as odd during that scene was how rather concerned she was as the pointed this out, especially regards to them being in a disadvantage with Shirou not knowing Saber's Noble Phantasm. I think this reflects partially with her troubling relationship with Kiritsugu and how she was forced to use her Noble Phantasm (without any knowledge on why) to destroy the Grail, and when Shirou simply points out that it is fine and that he will let her use it on her own discretion, it is not strange that her expression is one of full surprise.

 

So one aspect I am interested in (as I have mentioned earlier) is exploring Saber's perception on Shirou and how it will develop through the story and how it opposes her view with the one she had with Kiritsugu. 

 

And here is some Saber cuteness:

 

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[Some Geth]

So that was this weeks SAO2 and I'm going to get something to drink...

I feel bad for Geth-sama that had to listen to me throughout the episode share some details of the episode.. but if I'm going to suffer he shall too!

It's okay I still love you.

[Chewin]

Rin and Archer has so far proven far more interesting than Shirou and Saber. While Saber herself is interesting she's getting dragged down quite a bit by Shirou. He's a nice and friendly guy that tempt fate a little bit like in this weeks episode. Shirou you just don't say that..

 

 

 

Haha yeah, had a good chuckle during that scene. 

 

Tumblr is going crazy with Rin and how it is her "You're dead" face. That twitch with the eyebrow certainly makes it.

[Zeroth Angel]

Now that I look back to the Saber and Archer vs Berserker fight there is one thing that doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

At the very end of the fight we see Saber using Excalibur on Berserker to kill him once but isn't she supposed to call out it's name in order to use her NB?

[Saber Wolf]

Everyone knows Rin is best Fate girl.

 

BLASPHEMY!!!

 

HERESY!!!

 

Rin and Archer has so far proven far more interesting than Shirou and Saber. While Saber herself is interesting she's getting dragged down quite a bit by Shirou. He's a nice and friendly guy that tempt fate a little bit like in this weeks episode. Shirou you just don't say that..

 

 

NOT YOU TOO!

 

Joking aside, I have to agree. And considering UBW was advertised as being more focused on Rin and Archer, this is natural and I am glad they both are turning into capable characters. Hopefully the show manages to balance out the representation for Saber and Emiya as well. Wait, these are the guys who did Fate/Zero, which had a substantial more characters who all where rather well developed, what am I worrying about?

 

I think this reflects partially with her troubling relationship with Kiritsugu and how she was forced to use her Noble Phantasm (without any knowledge on why) to destroy the Grail, and when Shirou simply points out that it is fine and that he will let her use it on her own discretion, it is not strange that her expression is one of full surprise.

 

So one aspect I am interested in (as I have mentioned earlier) is exploring Saber's perception on Shirou and how it will develop through the story and how it opposes her view with the one she had with Kiritsugu. 

 

Nice observation! I as well thought it strange why she got so uncertain and sullen looking while explaining, since she is rather straightforward in her approach. I definitely think her interaction with Shirou helps her ease down a lot and not be so hard. She was quite similar with Irisviel. But yes, her being uncertain about her identity, not only for the reason she stated, but for being cautious not having a similar event happen like in Fate/Zero certainly explains a lot.

 

And thanks for those .gifs! Much needed!

[CrazyRah]

It's okay I still love you.

 

 

Geth-sama! 

 

Agreed, but I also think that's because Archer actively pushes Rin's buttons about how soft she is when it comes to dealing with their adversaries. Although we know Shirou does have a hero complex, outside of Kirei manipulating him, we haven't really seen that plot point tested just yet, likewise with Saber. I'm sure it'll come back all in a big way regarding her history with Kiritsugu and her current state of mind. 

 

To an extent sure but Rin on her own do well enough to outclass Shirou at the moment. Saber/Shirou got potential to become a much more interesting pair, they just start at a massive disadvantage and well I really am so far from a fan one can come to characters with hero complex 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Another FSN episode delivers.

 

Looking forward to the next one. More Archer. More Archer is always good.

 

But I do wonder - how closely are they following the novel? If this is just a re-do of the "old" FSN I see little point.

I hope they diverge more. I hope Archer lives. He's a badass.

[Mr.House]

Now that I look back to the Saber and Archer vs Berserker fight there is one thing that doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

At the very end of the fight we see Saber using Excalibur on Berserker to kill him once but isn't she supposed to call out it's name in order to use her NB?

She can get rid of the wind without saying its name, she did this near the end of Fate route. She needs to say it's name to use it's full power though.

[Chewin]

Now that I look back to the Saber and Archer vs Berserker fight there is one thing that doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

At the very end of the fight we see Saber using Excalibur on Berserker to kill him once but isn't she supposed to call out it's name in order to use her NB?

 

She didn't call out her sword when she made it visible with an attack while fighting Lancer in Zero for the first time. 

 

So maybe a "small" attack or similar doesn't need for it to be called by name.

[Dean_the_Young]

Huh, never heard of it. Is it worth a watch?

It's, uh, got lots of plot. And it has economics all over the place.

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Mandatory gifs post.

 

 

 

But, more seriously, it's a seriously mature take on classical fantasy genre with real-world perspectives deconstructing and addressing typical pieces we don't consider often.

 

It's... it's hard to talk about, since it's pretty atypical. It's not a deconstruction, or a reconstruction, or even a great and awesome amazing story. It's more like 'what if modern education and perspectives were applied anachronistically?'

 

Which is a weird thing to say, but it's basically someone with a first world education trying to make ye old fantasy world better. It's worth a look, even if you never buy into it.

 

Log Horizon is a much better story in terms of being a story, since it's less focused on the macro-element.

[Mr.House]

She didn't call out her sword when she made it visible with an attack while fighting Lancer in Zero for the first time. 

 

So maybe a "small" attack or similar doesn't need for it to be called by name.

She also does it near the end of the Fate route in the VN, Servents only need to say the name when they want to use the full power of said move, what Saber does is just increase her normal attack while still reserving her mana and identity. It's still a risk because if you DO spot her sword when that does that you will have figured it out.

[Chewin]

@Dean

 

Sounds intriguing. Will move it up to my schedule and watch it when I have the chance.

[Mr.House]

Another FSN episode delivers.

 

Looking forward to the next one. More Archer. More Archer is always good.

 

But I do wonder - how closely are they following the novel? If this is just a re-do of the "old" FSN I see little point.

I hope they diverge more. I hope Archer lives. He's a badass.

This anime is following the unlimited bladeworks route, not Fate(which that horrible Dean animation) followed. This is a whole different route that diverged with the fight with Berserker. This is not a re-do or remake. It's an adaption oft he other route. the Heavens Fall movie will be based on the third route.

 

As for how close UBW is being to the VN right now, it's very close with adding some new bits to connect better to Fate/Zero.