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[Chewin]

She also does it near the end of the Fate route in the VN, Servents only need to say the name when they want to use the full power of said move, what Saber does is just increase her normal attack while still reserving her mana and identity. It's still a risk because if you DO spot her sword when that does that you will have figured it out.

 

Hehe, have to be one hell of a sharp individual to see her sword for a moment to go "Hey! That's frikkin Excalibur", considering how many different interpretations there are on the sword.

[CrazyRah]

Really do Chewin, it's absolutely worth it!

 

 

It got cake!

[Mr.House]

Hehe, have to be one hell of a sharp individual to see her sword for a moment to go "Hey! That's frikkin Excalibur", considering how many different interpretations there are on the sword.

Yup, that's why Saber prefers to do it that way, she will only do her ultimate attack if she has no choice. She's not like Rider{Zero version) who is ballsy as hell and shouts his name to everyone afterall

[Zeroth Angel]

She can get rid of the wind without saying its name, she did this near the end of Fate route. She needs to say it's name to use it's full power though.

Oh yeah that explains it.

 

The only two routes I actually replayed were UBW and HF and I thus don't remember Fate very well.

 

But now that you mention it yeah that did happen. I was mostly confused because God hand can defend against anything lower than an A ranked NP form what I remember. Excalibur was probably strong enough to do the job.

[Chewin]

@Rah I was actually talking about Demon King and Hero, considering how it is shorter, but yes I have Log Horizon just after it.

 

Edit: Speaking of cake, I can't get that Rebellion cake song out of my head. 

[CrazyRah]

@Rah I was actually talking about Demon King and Hero, considering how it is shorter, but yes I have Log Horizon just after it.

 

Edit: Speaking of cake, I can't get that Rebellion cake song out of my head. 

 

You're not meant to get it out of your head, it's part of you now!

[Mr.House]

Oh yeah that explains it.

 

The only two routes I actually replayed were UBW and HF and I thus don't remember Fate very well.

 

But now that you mention it yeah that did happen. I was mostly confused because God hand can defend against anything lower than an A ranked NP form what I remember. Excalibur was probably strong enough to do the job.

Remember in the Fate route.

 

Fate route spoilers

Spoiler

She was able to kill Hercules fin one shot(taking all his life's) with Caliburn that was projected. It's not improbable that making Excalibur stronger but not going full power(which would use alot of her mana and create a big issue) would be able to kill him once.

[Hellion Rex]

This anime is following the unlimited bladeworks route, not Fate(which that horrible Dean animation) followed. This is a whole different route that diverged with the fight with Berserker. This is not a re-do or remake. It's an adaption oft he other route. the Heavens Fall movie will be based on the third route.

 

As for how close UBW is being to the VN right now, it's very close with adding some new bits to connect better to Fate/Zero.

Out of curiosity, how much of a divergence is UBW from the Fate route? Are there a lot of big differences?

[Chewin]

Yup, that's why Saber prefers to do it that way, she will only do her ultimate attack if she has no choice. She's not like Rider{Zero version) who is ballsy as hell and shouts his name to everyone afterall

 

Haha, indeed. But considering how Alexander suffered from megalomania, it is not surprising for Rider to have such a bombastic personality.

 

Speaking of Fate characters and the historical figures, I can't help but notice how very astute the show is on its portrayal of the characters. Currently reading about Gilgamesh, and I can't help but notice how well it correlates with the character in Zero on so many levels. Heck, even the "Gates of Babylon" is explained here! Glorious!

[Zeroth Angel]

Yup, that's why Saber prefers to do it that way, she will only do her ultimate attack if she has no choice. She's not like Rider{Zero version) who is ballsy as hell and shouts his name to everyone afterall

I still think he was an idiot for using his NP on Assasin from all servants and revealing his NP right next to Gilgamesh from all people.

Of course that also ended costing him a lot of mana just to take the servant down whose only kill was an owl.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Remember in the Fate route.

 

Fate route spoilers

Spoiler

She was able to kill Hercules fin one shot(taking all his life's) with Caliburn that was projected. It's not improbable that making Excalibur stronger but not going full power(which would use alot of her mana and create a big issue) would be able to kill him once.

 

That was actually one of the stupidest thing in that anime.

It makes no sense whatsoever.

[Mr.House]

Out of curiosity, how much of a divergence is UBW from the Fate route? Are there a lot of big differences?

To put it simple, all three routes are their own story and each thave their own focuses. Fate was very Shirou and Saber focused, where UBW is focused much more on Archer, Rin and Shirou. Heavens Fall is focused on Sakura and the holy grail. Different fights, some characters are only in one route ect.

 

Just take the first Berserker fight(which is where the diverge happens. It's completely different then how it was in the Fate route. Rin is also not an ally with Shirou right now like in the Fate route ect.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I don't have wai-fu's or man-fu's, but if I did have man-fu's, Archer would be one of them. the other would be Ikki.

Both are so much GAR

 

[Hellion Rex]

Haha, indeed. But considering how Alexander suffered from megalomania, it is not surprising for Rider to have such a bombastic personality.

 

Speaking of Fate characters and the historical figures, I can't help but notice how very astute the show is on its portrayal of the characters. Currently reading about Gilgamesh, and I can't help but notice how well it correlates with the character in Zero on so many levels. Heck, even the "Gates of Babylon" is explained here! Glorious!

Absolutely agree! I did a lot of reading on Diarmuid Ua Duibhne and Cú Chulainn after hearing about them.

 

I'm also very surprised on how historically accurate the weapons are for all the Servants. It's extremely fascinating.

[Hellion Rex]

To put it simple, all three routes are their own story and each thave their own focuses. Fate was very Shirou and Saber focused, where UBW is focused much more on Archer, Rin and Shirou. Heavens Fall is focused on Sakura and the holy grail. Different fights, some characters are only in one route ect.

 

Just take the first Berserker fight(which is where the diverge happens. It's completely different then how it was in the Fate route. Rin is also not an ally with Shirou right now like in the Fate route ect.

Wow, thanks for that! Really excited to see how it all ends up now. Though if current episodes are anything to go by, this show is gonna ruin me for a lot of other lesser animes.

[Dean_the_Young]

She also does it near the end of the Fate route in the VN, Servents only need to say the name when they want to use the full power of said move, what Saber does is just increase her normal attack while still reserving her mana and identity. It's still a risk because if you DO spot her sword when that does that you will have figured it out.

 

I call bullshit. Or rather, I found that part of the Fate universe general bullshit in general.

 

It's a silly pet peave, but I dislike anime that make the rules up as they go along for the sake of convenience, and that's one of many in the Fate universe that annoy me- right after the servant letter-class system, and of course the whole concept of the Holy Grail 'War.'

 

It's faux intellectualism- the sort of 'we have a great complicated system that we prove ourselves geniuses by understanding and exploiting on the narrowest of context in great daring displays of ability and intellect' that pervades this series and it's like. It's not like I expect a full rule's course in advance, but 'advantage' and 'disadvantage' in the Fate universe are less rule-driven events and more a giant game of Calvinball, making it up as they go along for plot convenience and contrivance.

 

A reoccuring contrivance this sort of battle anime is the idea of battlefield geniuses who make Sherlock Holmes-level deductions, analysis, plans, and counterplans based off the briefest of context and smallest of clues. It's the highlight of balancing skill and strategy, of great fights between warriors leading to clever traps hidden behind more obvious assults of skill and daring.

 

It's a load of bullshit. The Fate universe included loves to make grandious conclusions based off of not enough facts and data, and then pretend it was clever planning rather than luck and risk. Winners are treated as geniuses for bad decisionmaking and analysis, often because their foes are even worse, and even when it's framed as being good it's just plan annoying to me.

 

It's pretty animation and nicely choreographed battles, but let's not pretend that Shouting Their Attacks is determined by rules and not the preference of the author at that moment.

 

[/rant]
 

[Zeroth Angel]

Out of curiosity, how much of a divergence is UBW from the Fate route? Are there a lot of big differences?

There are a lot of big differences. 

Remember in the Fate route.

 

Fate route spoilers

Spoiler

She was able to kill Hercules fin one shot(taking all his life's) with Caliburn that was projected. It's not improbable that making Excalibur stronger but not going full power(which would use alot of her mana and create a big issue) would be able to kill him once.

Yes that would actually make sense because I remember

Spoiler

that the player had a choice not to project Caliburn and let Saber make full use of Excalibur resulting in her dissapearing.

 

Haha, indeed. But considering how Alexander suffered from megalomania, it is not surprising for Rider to have such a bombastic personality.

 

Speaking of Fate characters and the historical figures, I can't help but notice how very astute the show is on its portrayal of the characters. Currently reading about Gilgamesh, and I can't help but notice how well it correlates with the character in Zero on so many levels. Heck, even the "Gates of Babylon" is explained here! Glorious!

If only Gilgamesh took the HGW seriously than nobody would stand a chance against him:

 

[Mr.House]

If you do want to experience the Fate route, I suggest the VN, not the anime. The anime was just horrible, butchers too many things(including Shirou) and lacks the awesome yuri scene

[Hellion Rex]

I call bullshit. Or rather, I found that part of the Fate universe general bullshit in general.

 

It's a silly pet peave, but I dislike anime that make the rules up as they go along for the sake of convenience, and that's one of many in the Fate universe that annoy me- right after the servant letter-class system, and of course the whole concept of the Holy Grail 'War.'

 

It's faux intellectualism- the sort of 'we have a great complicated system that we prove ourselves geniuses by understanding and exploiting on the narrowest of context in great daring displays of ability and intellect' that pervades this series and it's like. It's not like I expect a full rule's course in advance, but 'advantage' and 'disadvantage' in the Fate universe are less rule-driven events and more a giant game of Calvinball, making it up as they go along for plot convenience and contrivance.

 

A reoccuring contrivance this sort of battle anime is the idea of battlefield geniuses who make Sherlock Holmes-level deductions, analysis, plans, and counterplans based off the briefest of context and smallest of clues. It's the highlight of balancing skill and strategy, of great fights between warriors leading to clever traps hidden behind more obvious assults of skill and daring.

 

It's a load of bullshit. The Fate universe included loves to make grandious conclusions based off of not enough facts and data, and then pretend it was clever planning rather than luck and risk. Winners are treated as geniuses for bad decisionmaking and analysis, often because their foes are even worse, and even when it's framed as being good it's just plan annoying to me.

 

It's pretty animation and nicely choreographed battles, but let's not pretend that Shouting Their Attacks is determined by rules and not the preference of the author at that moment.

 

[/rant]
 

O...kay...

 

Well, now I know what Dean makes of the Fate universe...

[Hellion Rex]

If you do want to experience the Fate route, I suggest the VN, not the anime. The anime was just horrible, butchers too many things(including Shirou) and lacks the awesome yuri scene

Oh God. Dare I ask who did the Yuri?

[Zeroth Angel]

If you do want to experience the Fate route, I suggest the VN, not the anime. The anime was just horrible, butchers too many things(including Shirou) and lacks the awesome yuri scene

I remember getting tho that scene thinking wondering why  the voices were suddenly gone.

 

And then it happened. That whole scene was so out of nowhere I just lost it right there and then.

[Mr.House]

Oh God. Dare I ask who did the Yuri?

Spoiler

Rin and Saber

[Hellion Rex]

Spoiler

Rin and Saber

Aw, ffs...

[Dean_the_Young]

O...kay...

 

Well, now I know what Dean makes of the Fate universe...

 

Pretty and pretentious, a narcistic franchise feeding off of its own popularity and regurgitating evolutions that lie somewhere between masturbatory and incestuous in nature. 

 

Not bad for a H game.

[Hellion Rex]

Pretty and pretentious, a narcistic franchise feeding off of its own popularity and regurgitating evolutions that lie somewhere between masturbatory and incestuous in nature. 

 

Not bad for a H game.

...I literally do not know what to say.

 

And "H" game?