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[FutureBoy81]

@ some geth what does campyness have to do with character development? i can pin point alot of silly humour in a lot of anime it does not detract from the story or character development, and ive been watching anime for a while and never really like anime series but naruto has alot to offer, the very first episode (when i first watched it) almost had me in tears, for the most part it has great themes and ideals and i would recomend it to anyone whos new to the anime arena

Modifié par FutureBoy81, 30 janvier 2012 - 03:28 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

This is a funny and good show:

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

This is a funny and good show:

Excel Saga /(^3^)\\ One of the best parody comedies in Anime.

[Clover Rider]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
But that is the thing I never set out to make you like Luffy, I set out to show you or others why you are wrong about him.

I'm not wrong about him..But feel free to belive otherwise.

What is most funny is how you dodge the rest of the reasons I give you on why Luffy fights the main bads.

I'm not dodging anything. I already told you they don't hold water for me.

I give up.

You not understanding what a simple kid's story is or Luffy's character or what a main character is, is not my problem.

Just because he has different opinions about the show doesn't mean you can force him to like it. Some people like it, some people don't.It all comes down to personal taste.

It was never about getting him to like the show... it was about me trying to help him understand what the story is, Luffy's character and what a main character is. But he does not get it so why is it my problem? He only says things are bad without bringing up why they are bad, I am not going to put all my time into a discussion with him when it feels like I am talking to a wall.

I mean you watch MLP you of all people should know my point.

@eroeru I will give you my opinions on the shows a bit later.

@FutureBoy81 I will get to you later as well.

Modifié par Some Geth, 30 janvier 2012 - 11:53 .

[Sedman211]

Any football fans who want an action-packed emotional anime should go for Eyeshield 21. Even if you don't watch football, the show definitely kicks ass. There's only 1 season, but I recommend anyone to watch at least one episode.

Modifié par Sedman211, 31 janvier 2012 - 02:51 .

[eroeru]

Yea! That's basically the only non-obscure one I've read in manga. And the manga is superb!

[Clover Rider]

eroeru wrote...

Hey, Geth, what do you think about NGE? And titles such as Baccano!, Ergo Proxy, FLCL, Katanagatari, Clannad, Eden of the East, Ghost Hound, .hack/SIGN, Noein? What's your take on the more dystopic titles, as Texhnolyze (everyone else is as welcome to add their perspective)?

These must be some of my favorites, in the long run. But I don't see you liking some of them... (just would want to have a summary about these, coming from another's viewpoint)...

Eva? where do I begin? I like and dislike it, no that's too short. It's the show that made the word "fanservice" no that really is not an opinion and it's too short... Oh I got it! here goes.

Neon Genesis Evangelion is one of those special series where using the down time to actually THINK about what you're watching or researching it will reward you in so many ways.

For instance, ever note the constant buzz of cicadas? It's not just there for BG filler. Cicadas only live in Japan for a few weeks in the summer. Although the series never directly comes out and says it, this new world, or at least Japan, is actually in a perpetual state of summer due to Second Impact. When you don't just sit there and doze off or refuse to think that what you're watching has meaning, you will be lost, but Eva was created with meticulous attention to detail and overall story to the point where it is tenable to suggest the story was created from the end forward not unlike OP. Evidence of this may be seen in the opening where we see events/objects that only come into play MUCH later.  

If viewers got off the emo train and considered that yes, our characters are imperfect, the two human main characters come from HORRIBLY broken/f*cked up families, and saw the positive aspects of their actions, like, the fact that they have a will to live to begin with, one might actually be impressed by just how much they accomplish during the series.  

Anyway, I don't mean to preach,but Eva really isn't just some 'boring-ass emo series'. Yes, it has its faults but when you examine the details in relation to the bigger story instead of sitting there expecting to be told EVERYTHING (like most anime post 1996) then you will certainly be bored out of your mind.

Now I should get into some faults or it will look like I am too nice on it.

I had suffer from mental depression(kind of stiil do, it never really goes away in my view). I know a ton of the stuff that Shinji, Asuka, etc, do to themselves from my own experience, unlike many, many fans of NGE. So when I watch this... I see myself in the main characters.

The other thing is, because I did have depression, I know things about treating it. I've been fighting with this for years, and only in the past few have I actually realized how deep in the pit I was, and made an effort to pull myself out. I know ways people pull themselves out of depression and other mental holes. The presentation in Evangelion... all it does is let you know you're messed up. Shinji, Asuka, etc, are in denial the entire time, and the point of NGE's obsession with the existentialist discussion is to make Shinji realize he's in denial so he can change it. Sure, that works. Except it's not easy. Realizing you are in denial is the first step. Then you have the far more difficult task of fixing it, which NGE conveniently avoids. It's not something about "telling yourself to think another way" because it doesn't work. You'll fall back into what the problems are in the first place. But at the same time the show's point was not getting into the fixing part and like I said the characters did accomplish a lot, so all of this is kind of a moot point.

Oh I almost forgot the other things that make a show.

Eva had a really bad budget it could be because they made over 20 versions of "Fly Me to the Moon" or that Gainax had some money problems at the time but still over 20 versions of a song?

I mean still Eva was one of the most beautiful (artistically speaking) Japanese animation I'd ever seen and while it still looks great among its peers in its day and age without the assistance of Koreans and computers, after seeing the 1.0 You Are(Not) alone it's borderline unwatchable.

In their first encounter, Ramiel sends out this f*ckin' wafer thin beam that hits 01 in the show and I couldn't help but laugh. In the movie Ramiel morphs into this geometric deathray that shoots out a massive burst of energy from its S2 Engine that consumes 01 and instead of pulling him back down instantly, they go through a process of releasing grid locks that hold the ground structure of Tokyo III in place, plumetting 01 below.  

It was killer.  

Seriously, the fights are incredible. If you enjoyed the original battles you can't help but sit there in awe of these.

And that is one more thing the Rebulid movies are kickass. If the anime series is too much for you, then these movies are the perfect solution. They're essentially all of Eva but shorter and sweeter. They took out all the wasted time, put in the most essential parts of the story and made the battle sequences tight as f*ck.  

I would even suggest to people who hate Eva to give them a chance.

I could talk about Eva all day but I feel this is getting a bit long but I wanted to give you some full views on it and not just a short "Shinji sucks" like some people here would.

But before I end this part of the post I just want to say, whatever people say about Eva no one can tell me the theme song is bad.

 

As for the rest of the shows I am going to make it fast and short.

Baccano! it's great, a fun ride and smart, love it. Ergo Proxy is a smart show with very nice art. FLCL is great, funny and gets into the main character's mind well, I love the show.

Katanagatari was done by Nisio Isin so it's a fine show. Clannad was fine for what it is but not really my thing.
Eden of the East is great, smart, had nice art. Ghost Hound I have not seen but since it is done by the Lain guys I am going to guess it's great. 

.hack/SIGN I do not care for but I like the theme song. Noein is great and had some nice ideas. Texhnolyze is really great, good art and a really cool plot.
Sorry that I was short on those series I just want to end the post.

Modifié par Some Geth, 31 janvier 2012 - 10:46 .

[eroeru]

Thank you!:happy:

Your opinions are well-written, smart and gave some good insight into NGE, I'd think.

Sorry to hear about the depression.

...

I've still got one more point of interest though... does anyone else think Durarara!! was weaker than Baccano!?

Modifié par eroeru, 31 janvier 2012 - 11:02 .

[Clover Rider]

eroeru wrote...

Thank you!:happy:

Your opinions seem smart and gave some good insight into NGE, I'd think.

Sorry to hear about the depression though...

Anyway, I've one more point of interest... does anyone else think Durarara!! was weaker than Baccano!?

Do not worry about me, I deal with it better now than some years ago, jokes, hard work and having friends and a girlfriend help a lot.

I don't feel like Durarara!! was ever trying to be like Baccano! but it can come off like that and I am not even a fan of Durarara!!.
But I still love the ending theme meme.

 

Modifié par Some Geth, 31 janvier 2012 - 11:13 .

[eroeru]

I just finished the episode in DB where Goku fights Tenshinhan in the third Tenkaichi Turnament.

The Turnament was very unique and great, until this last fight. There's no tension to this match, whatsoever. It's the typical bad shonen fight... lots of slow meaningless frames, some yelling and yapping inbetween. In the end the stronger one wins, because he actually stops talking...

edit: though Yamucha's fight also wasn't compelling... but that's expected...

Modifié par eroeru, 31 janvier 2012 - 02:40 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Some Geth wrote...
It was never about getting him to like the show... it was about me trying to help him understand what the story is, Luffy's character and what a main character is. But he does not get it so why is it my problem? He only says things are bad without bringing up why they are bad, I am not going to put all my time into a discussion with him when it feels like I am talking to a wall.

Yeah, I watched the show. I know Luffys story, and his character.
And I did explan why I dont' like it.

I mean you watch MLP you of all people should know my point.

Must...resist...urge.....
MUST....RESIST.

[Clover Rider]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
It was never about getting him to like the show... it was about me trying to help him understand what the story is, Luffy's character and what a main character is. But he does not get it so why is it my problem? He only says things are bad without bringing up why they are bad, I am not going to put all my time into a discussion with him when it feels like I am talking to a wall.

Yeah, I watched the show. I know Luffys story, and his character.
And I did explan why I dont' like it.

I mean you watch MLP you of all people should know my point.

Must...resist...urge.....
MUST....RESIST.

You know Luffy's character but you don't get his character or should I say you don't get a very big point to One Piece?

And yeah all you do is give opinions about Luffy but you bring them up like they are facts or saying there is no logic in him always fighting the main bad, when just being the main character should be enough for most people but not you! So hey, I go the extra mile and try to help you get why he always fights the main bad with other reasons and all you say is it is still bad? like talking to a wall.

Here why don't you give me a good reason why Luffy should not fight the next main bad? and it can't be anything like to "mix things up" it has to be a real story reason.

@eroeru I don't know, I like that fight.

And Yamucha is forever the butt monkey.

Modifié par Some Geth, 31 janvier 2012 - 11:48 .

[Clover Rider]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

^ Team Fourstar begs to differ.

Naw bro they get he is a butt monkey.

 

Modifié par Some Geth, 31 janvier 2012 - 11:38 .

[Clover Rider]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

^ Team Fourstar begs to differ.

Naw bro they get he is a butt monkey.

But not THE butt monkey. Too little onscreen time for much buttmonkeying. That's what Kururin is for.

So in a buttmonkeying contest, I'd say Kururin outbuttmonkeys Yamucha. Muffinbutton.

Poor Kuririn he was never the butt monkey of the real story.

[Luvinn]

So what does everyone think of as the saddest/most tragic moment in anime?

Personally, I gotta go for the end of Code Geass. Especially when Nunnally finally realizes why Lelouch did what he did. Chokes this old (29) man up.

I guess Death Note is also sad. To see Light going from a god to having everything crash down on him was pretty sad to see.

Modifié par Luvinn, 01 février 2012 - 12:51 .

[Luvinn]

Man. How could I forget ghost in the shell. Both seasons endings were great. I liked 2nd gig with Kuze. I thought he was a great character.

[eroeru]

The saddest anime? Any one of my favorites really.

Japanese are masters of conveying a sense of nostalgic, inner melancholy - and romanticism to top it - with a beauty attached to it. That's one of the main reasons I love the animation scene. Though I haven't really read any literature, from what I've heard there's a similar theme, with a sadness of routine/life and existential experience, in much of the literature. Does anyone know something about the better writers, e.g. Murakami?

@Some Geth - Well, I was really sleepy at the time of that Goku vs Ten, so maybe I wasn't in the best mind-set. Though sleepiness hasn't stopped me from enjoying other episodes.

[Me vs Bioware]

i like alot of Mecha anime. i grew up on Gundam. I'm trying to get into tears of tiara, but i just dont like japanese fantasy that much.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Some Geth wrote...
You know Luffy's character but you don't get his character or should I say you don't get a very big point to One Piece?

And yeah all you do is give opinions about Luffy but you bring them up like they are facts or saying there is no logic in him always fighting the main bad, when just being the main character should be enough for most people but not you! So hey, I go the extra mile and try to help you get why he always fights the main bad with other reasons and all you say is it is still bad? like talking to a wall.

Enough with the "You just don't get it" BS.
You loving Luffy and thinking him a great character is also just an oppinion, so get off the high horse. What exactly are you trying to prove here?

And it feel like I'm talking to a wall too. Actually a broken record. And no, being a main character is not enough of a reason.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Luvinn wrote...
So what does everyone think of as the saddest/most tragic moment in anime?

Grave of hte Fireflies? Ending of Jin-Roh?
The bittersweet ending of Vision of Escaflowne?

[eroeru]

After episode 147 in DB, I fully understand the overused expression in Bakuman (an anime which I initially disliked a lot - but it adds some dimensions to it if you know the animation scene better I guess)!

Anime has to be omoshiroi.

Dragon Ball is omoshiroi.

(what's most intriguing is the characters and connection to the whole saga, even if it's the otherwise one-dimensional fights, they really give a sense to the desperation of characters - also them dealing with it - and reaching a point in a journey that shapes all in an interesting way, really)

Modifié par eroeru, 01 février 2012 - 08:37 .